Paul Momirovski

[Pascoes_barber]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

I'm hearing 24-48 hours.


+/- 8 years.

 

[BAGNF05]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

900K 4 years red hot?we could call him Moey

 

[Demps]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?

 

[hobbo1]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?

Yes … trade him again for Harry Grant

 

[twentyforty]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?

Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

 

[BAGNF05]

I’m hearing it’s a package deal with the Huth. Jennings to sweeten the deal.

 

[happy_tiger]

I’m hearing it’s a package deal with the Huth. Jennings to sweeten the deal.

Don't dis da Huth ....

 

[BAGNF05]

I’m hearing it’s a package deal with the Huth. Jennings to sweeten the deal.

Don't dis da Huth ....

More a dig at our tendency to flip flop

 

[crazycat]

7,9,and 6 are all similar positions today,Smith went to 9,so did Hunt and others , if thats were your weak and we are,its worth looking at.


I think the 9 is very different to the 7 and 6. Smith is possibly the greatest player of all time.

Honestly, No.
I think Smith is a champion player. What he added to the game was the game management. Budeurus won the ruck while Smith managed the attack, defense and controlled the speed of the play.

Yet a few of the Storm players did this very well. Billy Slater looked for Defensive gaps and marshalled people, Smith speeds and slows down the game and Cronk literally coached and positioned people well. You saw when Cronk went to Easts how he was an onfield coach.

Now though, Smith would really struggle at his age. The speed is so much faster and it would be harder for him to control the tempo. St George literally punt the idea of a 9-13 hybrid player while the Storm Embrace it in Smith and Grant.

 

[hank37w]

With all the hand wringing here about letting the greatest RL centre since Reg Gasnier go to Penrith, does anyone realise that Penrith havent signed him for 2022 yet. He doesnt have a Contract at this stage. Im sure that is where he will end up, but it doesnt exactly fit the narrative?

https://www.zerotackle.com/premiership-panther-tipped-to-land-new-deal-110752/

Sound good to me, can we sign him up?

 

[crazycat]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

 

[hank37w]

Speaking of momo does anybody remember the momo steering wheel they were great back in the day 😆

Yes, and just like a steering wheel, we took a turn for the worst when we let him go.

 

[hank37w]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-penrith-panthers-sign-paul-momirovski-swap-deal-daine-laurie-wests-tigers-ivan-cleary-michael-maguire/news-story/db7c91cbd711dffc5d65f909a37ac6a4

Penrith Panthers land Paul Momirovski in swap deal with Wests Tigers
The Tigers and Panthers have completed a player swap.

George Clarke from Fox Sports
February 7th, 2021 8:47 am
EXCLUSIVE – Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has bolstered his backline by adding Wests Tigers centre Paul Momirovski to his squad with young Panthers fullback Daine Laurie going the other way.

The centre, who was strongly linked to Canterbury, was part of the Harry Grant loan swap between the Tigers and the Storm.

He played six games and scored four tries for Melbourne in 2020 before a hand injury saw him lose his place in the side and miss out on a spot in the grand final.

The 24-year-old, who has 14 tries in 19 NRL games, had been training at five-eighth during the pre-season and requested two releases after being told by coach Michael Maguire he was behind Joey Leilua and James Roberts in the pecking order at Concord.

He will now go head to head with Brent Naden and Tyrone May for Penrith’s right centre spot and also provides handy goalkicking depth should Cleary’s son, Nathan, go down with injury.

Laurie, meanwhile, joins the Tigers a year early after he agreed he would leave Penrith for Concord in 2022.

The fullback or five-eighth has played just three NRL games, but is a highly-rated prospect and will now be at the club for the next three seasons.

The Tigers and Panthers meet for the first time in 2021 in Round 13 at Leichhardt Oval.

Because George Clarke said it?

Geez. You're impossible. People ask for what was said at the time and a easy google search found that. I'm not going to delve into the depths. It's some form of corroboration of the thinking he was told he was down the pecking order.

Frustrating hey.

 

[Demps]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

I don't think we ever appreciated Momorovski.

Or Corry Thompson and MCK for that matter.

Momorovski was a pawn for strengthening us in important positions and his contract has benefited us twice.

We backed the wrong horses in Bj and Roberts though but the other two teams, Storm and Panthers lucked out in the deal receiving a safe and solid outside back in return.

In the perfect world we sign Laurie, Grant and keep Momo but this is chess not checkers.

Momo has a ring now and he probably doesn't even care too much about The Tigers but we should be thankful for what he did for us, in regards to our roster building and strengthening our spine. I for one would take him back in a heart beat.

 

[crazycat]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

I don't think we ever appreciated Momorovski.

Or Corry Thompson and MCK for that matter.

Momorovski was a pawn for strengthening us in important positions and his contract has benefited us twice.

We backed the wrong horses in Bj and Roberts though but the other two teams, Storm and Panthers lucked out in the deal receiving a safe and solid outside back in return.

In the perfect world we sign Laurie, Grant and keep Momo but this is chess not checkers.

Momo has a ring now and he probably doesn't even care too much about The Tigers but we should be thankful for what he did for us, in regards to our roster building and strengthening our spine. I for one would take him back in a heart beat.

Agreed, I would take him back too. Although with our treatment I doubt he has much loyalty (I don't blame him).

I thought with Grant, once Melbourne sent Cam Smith to the Glue factory we dinnit have a chance at signing him. I thought we had a chance with Brandon Smith as Melbourne was willing to do a 'like for like' swap.

Overall though. We need to be thinking pairs, defence is key so sign Winger with their center. So C'mon Justin, make it a perfect world Sign Momo back with Stephen Crichton as wing!

 

[cochise]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

We made the right decision.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

We made the right decision.

It certainly looks that way ...still a bit of a road to travel just yet

 

[Russell]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

We made the right decision.

Disagree. That's ok though.

 

[cochise]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

We made the right decision.

Disagree. That's ok though.

Getting Laurie early was crucial in my opinion.

 

[Russell]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.

Maybe if he comes back, we can trade him for a better player.... again ?


Yeh, we really stuffed up the last swap deal

I think we Stuffed Paul Momirovski! The Swap deal was semi-smart and worked.
So hear me out.
We go "James Roberts and BJ Leilua are our backs".
Momo goes "hey I am a first grade starter" after playing with Melbourne.
We go "no you are not, you wait behind Roberts and Leilua."
Momo was then vocally unhappy!

Unhappy momo for Daine Laurie 100% makes sense. It will take Daine time to gel at Fullback but he is a keeper.

We stuffed him around. Momo went to Melbourne and built himself up. Bellamy sends him back up. We treat him like a third wheel on his return.

No one thought "where does Momo fit". Why wasn't James Roberts put to Fullback? we killed our growth opportunity and so we look stupid. Now we have the same situation this year and people want to hire a center.

"history, never repeats. History, never repeats".

We made the right decision.

Disagree. That's ok though.

Getting Laurie early was crucial in my opinion.

I know you think that, that's why I said ok.

I don't think it made a big difference getting him early.