Player Manager's or parents?

[GNR4LIFE]

One thing that's been a running theme throughout all this drama is that its Isaac Moses running the show and that the players will go where he tells them, and that he wants to split them up. The topper last night was someone suggesting Ava would be the next to walk out because he also is managed by Moses. So what's the deal, is he their manager or father? Does he work for them or do they work for him?

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Neither, Greedy Pig

 

[Abraham]

This is obviously all conjecture, however if players are sufficiently clueless to allow a player manager to dictate their careers, then not much anyone else can do about it.

As the saying goes, you can't legislate against stupidity.

 

[Russell]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TCL]

I agree, it does appear very much like he is charge.

You would have thought prior to contract discussions they would have sat down and discussed where they want to play how much they are expecting and that it would be issacks job to ensure that happened.

But maybe with some players now days it really is a case of my manager will tell me how much I'm going to get and where I'm going to play?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Like I said, the NRL need to change the rules so that player managers only get paid a fixed amount for negotiating contracts, rather than a percentage. None of this rubbish would happen if their cut didn't depend on the size of the contract.

 

[TCL]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

Say that was true, Tedesco has allowed himself to be a pawn. I know footy players aren't the smartest bunch but geez.

 

[Wildcat777]

Yes he gets a commission from player not to mention payment by club (paper bag) to help the club sign the player. Which would in most cases be more economical than paying the player more. Don't know if these payments can be checked? In which case the manager represents the club more than the player.

 

[TCL]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

Say that was true, Tedesco has allowed himself to be a pawn. I know footy players aren't the smartest bunch but geez.

sometimes people think they are the ones in control but all the while they are being played.

 

[2041]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

Tedesco's Roosters deal might be less on paper but the idea that he's going to earn less money there is utter garbage. Of course it's been spun in the media as a negative for the Tigers, but all that's really going on is the Roosters can get more money to players outside the cap.

 

[TCL]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

Tedesco's Roosters deal might be less on paper but the idea that he's going to earn less money there is utter garbage. Of course it's been spun in the media as a negative for the Tigers, but all that's really going on is the Roosters can get more money to players outside the cap.

I don't have inside news so I can only go on what I read here and in the press.

I thought the players didn't like big TPA's cause there is no certainty they will pay.

 

[MG1962]

Player managers came about because of the number of times teams stitched up players on bad contracts because the players had no experience in negotiating, or anyway to tell if they were getting a good contract or not.

It is fair to say the balance has gone too far the other way and the teams are almost just passengers in the process. But they made their bed, now they get to lay in it.

 

[Chris]

Just to put all this into perspective, when you look at the "Big 4", Luke Brooks is the only one with a guaranteed contract believed to be around the $550K mark. The other 3 have had their offers from the club pulled from that table and have no confirmed deals elsewhere.

It seems to me that our friend Mr Moses is relying on TPA's and under the table deals for his clients so they can fit into their future employers salary cap. I find that people like Isaac Moses who think they are smarter than everyone else, usually outsmart themselves. This is a time bomb that is ticking away and sooner or later, he'll make a mistake and this will all explode and make the Melbourne cheating scandal seem like it was nothing and fail in comparison.

 

[2041]

The guy is looking out for his commission. Not whether the players are happy if they stay or go but where can I steer them to get the most money - FOR ME!!!!!!

The guy is a money sucking leach!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that at first too but reading that teddy is going to the rosters for less had me rethinking.

But it could also be that issack needed to mend his relationship with Nick, and teddy going there for less was the peace pipe and platform to earn more later.

Tedesco's Roosters deal might be less on paper but the idea that he's going to earn less money there is utter garbage. Of course it's been spun in the media as a negative for the Tigers, but all that's really going on is the Roosters can get more money to players outside the cap.

I don't have inside news so I can only go on what I read here and in the press.

I thought the players didn't like big TPA's cause there is no certainty they will pay.

I should say I have no inside info either. The whole thing reeks of BS, though.

 

[jirskyr]

Well Brooks re-signed and he is under iMoses, so it can't be all iMoses calling the shots.

I was having a think about it the other day, I wonder what kind of guy iMoses is? I'd not really heard of him until about a year ago, he's been around, but I didn't know of him unlike other managers like Ayoub, Mimis, Beavis, Nasser, Riolo etc. I read a lot about football, so it surprised me that he has such a big stable of clients and his name had never really clicked, esp his familial relationship to mMoses and Backdoor Benny.

So who is iMoses? I thought I'd look him up, there's not exactly a wikipedia page about him, not even much in the way of pictures or anything. He used to be a director at Titan Management with David Riolo, which he ceased in 2013 and is now director of IJM Group, which I presume is his own company, as in Isaac J Moses.

Before all that iMoses was an events coordinator at Olympic Stadium during its first 6 years.

As you are probably already aware, he was one of the player agents banned for involvement in the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in 2012; he has history of being complicit with dodgy deals. His major client involved w Storm was Cameron Smith.

During this banned period he was actually contacted by the NRL who were trying to confirm whether or not Israel Folau intended to come back to the code after his AFL stint. The huge changes of career direction for Folau: Storm –> Broncos --> AFL --> Rugby may be an indicator of Folau's mentality, or maybe how iMoses will suggest and chase a very large array of opportunities for his clients, the new-age strategy for modern athletes who are open to testing their brand in any format.

iMoses is also the manager of Ben Te'o, who since negotiating his own exit from WT is now club and code hopping his way around the world.

Interestingly iMoses' former colleague, David Riolo, represents Karmichael Hunt, another of the famous serial code hoppers.

In March 2016 Corey Parker engaged iMoses to represent him with the Broncos, after never having an agent in his previous 15 year career. Obviously that didn't work out for him.

What's also interesting to me is how hard it is to find a photo of iMoses, compared to other agents. I didn't even recognise him when I ultimately saw him, so I've not seen him in the media before.
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.newsapi.com.au%2Fimage%2Fv1%2F2cef9071af66a9b3fbe1a5c24d3a09a5%3Fwidth%3D316&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnick-tabakoff-emails-show-pressurised-nature-of-dealing-with-player-agents%2Fnews-story%2Fe8277ba93bb25b2daddc78efb48682ac&docid=kYJHe28vSXfxoM&tbnid=pmjXmlSpBW8hNM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4l5Lp5MDTAhUIFZQKHaj_AokQMwgiKAAwAA..i&w=316&h=421&hl=en&bih=1101&biw=1920&q=isaac%20moses%20manager&ved=0ahUKEwj4l5Lp5MDTAhUIFZQKHaj_AokQMwgiKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

I wonder what kind of guy he is. Is he arrogant? He might be really nice in person, certainly he has enough high-profile footballers looking to him for advice.

What seems clear to me, from this recent drama and previous history, is iMoses is at the forefront of a management style of exploring very many options to his clients. It's not the old-style negotiations of current club and maybe one or two suitors, it's an array of clubs and even other codes that they attempt to bring to the table. This appears to draw everything out, so many parties to consult and work on, so many lines to feed said parties to keep them at the table and make them think they are in with a shot at signing the talent.

Ultimately? Fairly sour I'd say. iMoses has other clients like Jennings and Andrew McCullough, and maybe it's just the media coverage of the controversial client dealings that stands out, maybe he has a roster of regular-joe footballers who sign regular-joe contracts, but I see a pattern of drawn out, wildly speculative and ultimately very self-serving / fan alienating decisions by his representatives. It can't all be the players, can't all be coincidental.

 

[Nelson]

Well Brooks re-signed and he is under iMoses, so it can't be all iMoses calling the shots.

I was having a think about it the other day, I wonder what kind of guy iMoses is? I'd not really heard of him until about a year ago, he's been around, but I didn't know of him unlike other managers like Ayoub, Mimis, Beavis, Nasser, Riolo etc. I read a lot about football, so it surprised me that he has such a big stable of clients and his name had never really clicked, esp his familial relationship to mMoses and Backdoor Benny.

So who is iMoses? I thought I'd look him up, there's not exactly a wikipedia page about him, not even much in the way of pictures or anything. He used to be a director at Titan Management with David Riolo, which he ceased in 2013 and is now director of IJM Group, which I presume is his own company, as in Isaac J Moses.

Before all that iMoses was an events coordinator at Olympic Stadium during its first 6 years.

As you are probably already aware, he was one of the player agents banned for involvement in the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in 2012; he has history of being complicit with dodgy deals. His major client involved w Storm was Cameron Smith.

During this banned period he was actually contacted by the NRL who were trying to confirm whether or not Israel Folau intended to come back to the code after his AFL stint. The huge changes of career direction for Folau: Storm –Broncos --AFL --Rugby may be an indicator of Folau's mentality, or maybe how iMoses will suggest and chase a very large array of opportunities for his clients, the new-age strategy for modern athletes who are open to testing their brand in any format.

iMoses is also the manager of Ben Te'o, who since negotiating his own exit from WT is now club and code hopping his way around the world.

Interestingly iMoses' former colleague, David Riolo, represents Karmichael Hunt, another of the famous serial code hoppers.

In March 2016 Corey Parker engaged iMoses to represent him with the Broncos, after never having an agent in his previous 15 year career. Obviously that didn't work out for him.

What's also interesting to me is how hard it is to find a photo of iMoses, compared to other agents. I didn't even recognise him when I ultimately saw him, so I've not seen him in the media before.
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.newsapi.com.au%2Fimage%2Fv1%2F2cef9071af66a9b3fbe1a5c24d3a09a5%3Fwidth%3D316&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnick-tabakoff-emails-show-pressurised-nature-of-dealing-with-player-agents%2Fnews-story%2Fe8277ba93bb25b2daddc78efb48682ac&docid=kYJHe28vSXfxoM&tbnid=pmjXmlSpBW8hNM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4l5Lp5MDTAhUIFZQKHaj_AokQMwgiKAAwAA..i&w=316&h=421&hl=en&bih=1101&biw=1920&q=isaac%20moses%20manager&ved=0ahUKEwj4l5Lp5MDTAhUIFZQKHaj_AokQMwgiKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

I wonder what kind of guy he is. Is he arrogant? He might be really nice in person, certainly he has enough high-profile footballers looking to him for advice.

What seems clear to me, from this recent drama and previous history, is iMoses is at the forefront of a management style of exploring very many options to his clients. It's not the old-style negotiations of current club and maybe one or two suitors, it's an array of clubs and even other codes that they attempt to bring to the table. This appears to draw everything out, so many parties to consult and work on, so many lines to feed said parties to keep them at the table and make them think they are in with a shot at signing the talent.

Ultimately? Fairly sour I'd say. iMoses has other clients like Jennings and Andrew McCullough, and maybe it's just the media coverage of the controversial client dealings that stands out, maybe he has a roster of regular-joe footballers who sign regular-joe contracts, but I see a pattern of drawn out, wildly speculative and ultimately very self-serving / fan alienating decisions by his representatives. It can't all be the players, can't all be coincidental.

TLDR version - he's a knob.

 

[supercoach]

The players may leave all the contract nuts and bolts stuff to the manager but they would have plenty of input into what they want to do and where they want to go. The manager may try and push them but at the end of the day the player is the person who signs the contract and decides where he wants to play.