Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[happy_tiger]

The US is a two party dictatorship, the Dems use champagne liberals and minorities to protect the interests of Wall Street, and the GOP use the middle class and poor rural folk to look after the interests of non-renewable energy and the richest of the rich.

And both are heavily invested in the military industrial complex.

The Yanks should riot, but not against each other, against the system that has pit people against each other on the basis of class and race.

You wouldn't need to arm them ....pity their would still be Americans left at the end

Their 2nd Amendment is dated and a joke in modern times. They claim it's in case the government become tyrannical, but let's face it, Skeeter and Cletus' AR15's aren't going to do much when the populace are being strafed by unmanned drones by Nintendo pilots hiding in a bunker in Nevada.

Its extremely scary when you have a population of 330 million that these two are the best that both parties can spit out

 

[jadtiger]

The US is a two party dictatorship, the Dems use champagne liberals and minorities to protect the interests of Wall Street, and the GOP use the middle class and poor rural folk to look after the interests of non-renewable energy and the richest of the rich.

And both are heavily invested in the military industrial complex.

The Yanks should riot, but not against each other, against the system that has pit people against each other on the basis of class and race.

You wouldn't need to arm them ....pity their would still be Americans left at the end

Their 2nd Amendment is dated and a joke in modern times. They claim it's in case the government become tyrannical, but let's face it, Skeeter and Cletus' AR15's aren't going to do much when the populace are being strafed by unmanned drones by Nintendo pilots hiding in a bunker in Nevada.

Its extremely scary when you have a population of 330 million that these two are the best that both parties can spit out

In the USA money controls both parties to the detriment of the people.In a country with a populace armed to the teeth it is a tragedy waiting to happen especially with racial overtones/underpriveleged adding to the problem.

 

[Tiger5150]

It must be so embarrassing to be an American right now. That debate today was an absolute disgrace and all they did today was cheapen the title of highest position/office in that country.

After that appalling price of theatrics, you can’t call it a debate, by childish men whichever party nominates a Woman for president in 2024 will win. I feel there will be a huge groundswell for change in the USA as they say enough is enough after this childish presidential campaign and the USA will have their first female president in 2024

If Biden wins, the US will have a female president before 2024

 

[TillLindemann]

The US is a two party dictatorship, the Dems use champagne liberals and minorities to protect the interests of Wall Street, and the GOP use the middle class and poor rural folk to look after the interests of non-renewable energy and the richest of the rich.

And both are heavily invested in the military industrial complex.

The Yanks should riot, but not against each other, against the system that has pit people against each other on the basis of class and race.

I think Australia having a mix of smaller parties as well as the two big parties is a really good thing. To have small but prominent parties from the left and right nipping at the heels of the big parties really does keep 'em honest', or at least more honest than they would have been.

 

[Snake]

It must be so embarrassing to be an American right now. That debate today was an absolute disgrace and all they did today was cheapen the title of highest position/office in that country.

After that appalling price of theatrics, you can’t call it a debate, by childish men whichever party nominates a Woman for president in 2024 will win. I feel there will be a huge groundswell for change in the USA as they say enough is enough after this childish presidential campaign and the USA will have their first female president in 2024


If Biden wins, the US will have a female president before 2024

Within 18 months and Bernie Sanders girl will be in control .. this is planed ! Wait to that happens ..

 

[Snake]

As an ex yank this is the report im getting from friends and family in the US -

People on the left are saying Biden won the debate because he didnt have a brain fart and look too much like a fuddy old fool.

People on the right are saying Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won because he shows he isnt a push over and shows he will stand up to Chia'na and them commies!

My lord, the bar has been set so low for the US President, the winner of the next debate will be declared for the one that takes the biggest steaming dump on the oppositions lectern. So glad im not there anymore.

I said a week ago the bar was being set so low for Biden, it wouldn’t take much for him to have a good night. And he did.

A number of times he just looked lost and looking for support, but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is just such terrible person and President. The US, and the rest of the world loses no matter how thise plays out.

Wouldn’t you look lost if you were up there with the other buffoon interrupting you every 5 seconds?

100%, but a President really needs to overcome that and not stand there looking bewildered.

He will be looking bewildered when China sails into Taiwan .. this is what the Chinese have been waiting for !

 

[Tigerlily]

Love Borat he tells it like it is🤣🤣
https://youtu.be/wYPS0Mq3BTA

 

[Tim Sheens]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



 

[Harvey]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins election.....

Biden wins election.....


Either way BLM ,ANTIFFA and any radical group will ruin the USA....its almost a foregone conclusion....
The Republicans want to end the rioting and destruction....
The Democrats want to feed it...

Glad I live in the greatest country in the world.....

I think that they both want to stop the rioting, they just have different ways of dealing with it. The republicans want to stamp the radical left out using any means necessary, the democrats will give them what they want.

 

[mike]

QLD to re-open boarders Nov 1, the day after the state election on Oct 31. Gee nobody could have predicted that.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

 

[jadtiger]

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.
Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.
Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen

I have grave doubts that anyone in the ALP has that much vision but it is a fact that nobody in the coalition does

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.
Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.
Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen

I have grave doubts that anyone in the ALP has that much vision but it is a fact that nobody in the coalition does

It would fit right in with ALP ideology. At best they are centre-left party that still embraces neoliberalism to the point where workers are not totally sold out.

All of the above fits in:

- Embracing renewables and lowering carbon emissions (both on- and off-shore);
- Infrastructure spending which will result in employment, and will allow to train skilled workers;
- Lowering the cost of living for the average Australian;
- Increasing competitive edge for business;
- Increasing long term employment opportunities via recovering old industry (manufacturing);
- A cash cow asset for the country via off shore power sale.

 

[happy_tiger]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

Think about it, the amount of jobs this will create will dwarf the 38,000 people that the coal industry employs.

 

[happy_tiger]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

Think about it, the amount of jobs this will create will dwarf the 38,000 people that the coal industry employs.

Mate 100% agree ...still don't get why the State Govt stopped the wind farms at Yarwun (near Gladstone ) and Rodds Bay ( near Gin gin ) 1700 jobs at its peak at Yarwun and 600 jobs at its peak at Rodds Bay at it's peak

 

[Tim Sheens]

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.
Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.
Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen

I have grave doubts that anyone in the ALP has that much vision but it is a fact that nobody in the coalition does

It would fit right in with ALP ideology. At best they are centre-left party that still embraces neoliberalism to the point where workers are not totally sold out.

All of the above fits in:

- Embracing renewables and lowering carbon emissions (both on- and off-shore);
- Infrastructure spending which will result in employment, and will allow to train skilled workers;
- Lowering the cost of living for the average Australian;
- Increasing competitive edge for business;
- Increasing long term employment opportunities via recovering old industry (manufacturing);
- A cash cow asset for the country via off shore power sale.

Totally agree, with education and training geared to this or similar projects being carried out whilst planning and subsequent construction is being undertaken. Still, with the virtual collapse of immigration about to affect construction, one of, if not the first thing that should be (have already been) done, is a large investment in public housing, with the paltry bandaid scheme put in place, already being poorly targeted and always going to fall way short.

The government voiced proposals for bringing forward of tax cuts, particularly so if those for large earners that stand to gain nearly $11k are part of it, will have little stimulus impact at all, with such monies required much more so in many other areas. The legislated component of moving the 32.5% tax rate from $37k to 45k is certainly reasonable, with most of that almost certainly put back into circulation, though I see little need in bringing forward taking the 37% rate up from $90k to 120k changes at this stage and certainly not the flattening out to $200k @ 30%

 

[Tim Sheens]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

Think about it, the amount of jobs this will create will dwarf the 38,000 people that the coal industry employs.

Not only that, it would be additional employment for a long period, complimentary to the 38,000 coal jobs and those in the gas industry. Only superseding them as fossil fuel jobs phase out in the decades to come.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

Think about it, the amount of jobs this will create will dwarf the 38,000 people that the coal industry employs.

Not only that, it would be additional employment for a long period, complimentary to the 38,000 coal jobs and those in the gas industry. Only superseding them as fossil fuel jobs phase out in the decades to come.

That's right, but you know how the LNP will target it, an immediate hit to an industry that will run parallel at the very least in the short to medium term. Jobs are apparently very important to the LNP when those jobs are championed as a means to keep their corporate mates at the trough.

 

[TillLindemann]

Announcement of $1.5 billion investment in manufacturing supply chain, wow, that is about one fifth of a submarine and basically puts back into place an initiative that Abbott removed. Whilst inadequate, the big question is will it be just another announcement, or will there be some substance behind this latest public relations exercise, when the same government have a current bill that will reduce research and development incentives by $1.8 billion.



Not sure what the cost or scale that would be required to make the following happen, but I reckon it could go a long way with alleviating the cost of manufacturing in Australia, the cost of living and most importantly, decentralisation of population:

Renewables stations in arid areas with lots of sun, no shade, supplemented by back up storage when the sun & wind is obviously not available. Every residential building to also be fitted with solar. Free power to commercial, residential and industrial business on Australian shores. Transmission of power off shore to sell to third world, improving global carbon footprint which would pay for upgrading and maintenance of grid. The grid would be a perpetually government owned item which will be legislated that it could never be privatised.

Implementation of high speed train lines for passenger and freight, run them to regional Australia where land is cheaper, manufacturing could then be done for cheaper in regional towns and stop the drain of the working population to the cities.

Improve local and global carbon footprint, implementation of major infrastructure to improve employment resulting in competitive conditions to reintroduce manufacturing to Australia.

Plenty of stumbling blocks along the way, but someone with vision could make it happen.

Should have happened 20 years ago ...thats the problem CB

Think about it, the amount of jobs this will create will dwarf the 38,000 people that the coal industry employs.

It's also worth remembering that renewable energy + electric cars is GREAT for the Australian mining industry. Coal miners will lose out, but copper, nickel, lithium, cobalt, manganese, scandium, rare earths will all win big.

Renewables and batteries require the minerals that Australia is blessed with.

Supporting renewable energy and EVs = supporting the Australian mining industry