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Labor stinks say most voters
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Piers Akerman
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 (6:33am)

MOST voters now think Labor stinks, according to the latest Newspoll results published today in The Australian.

The disgraced party is now far less popular than it was when it struggled to form a minority government with the support of the extremist Greens and turncoat Independents in 2010.

Exactly mid-way through its term, its support has dropped across the nation in every voting group.

Federal Labor behind the Coalition on primary vote and on a two-party-preferred basis in every state. It is down from between three and six percentage points on primary vote and two to five points after a distribution of preferences.
The Coalition has its biggest lead over Labor in Queensland, where Newspoll recorded a three per cent swing against it which would leave just one or possibly two Labor seats as I wrote in The Sunday Telegraph, while voter dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Julia Gillard is greatest there Opposition leader Tony Abbott holds a 10-point lead as preferred prime minister.

According to the latest analysis of Newspoll surveys taken between January and March this year exclusively for The Australian, Labor’s slight recovery in the last quarter of last year has been wiped out.

That miniscule recovery had Labor’s media sycophants at Fairfax and the ABC claiming Gillard had managed to turn the tide of dissatisfaction with the government.

Wrong. Labor trails in every state and demographic group and the Prime Minister has a negative satisfaction rating in every state and among every voting group.

The only real sign of improvement in Labor’s support has been among voters aged 18-34, where the Greens appear to have lost ground from their position at the 2010 election.

Even in Labor’s strongest states—SA and Victoria—the primary vote is settled at six points below August 2010 levels.

A rise in Labor’s primary vote in NSW, where satisfaction with Ms Gillard and the Opposition Leader fell from 28 to 31 per cent in January-March, still left Labor six points down on its 37 per cent vote in 2010.

After the distribution of preferences based on the 2010 flow, Queensland is the Coalition’s best state, where it leads Labor 58 to 42 per cent.

In NSW the Coalition leads Labor 54 to 46 per cent.

If reflected at the next election, the swings in NSW and Queensland would deliver the Coalition government; indeed, Queensland would do so on its own if the Coalition held its seats in other states.

Gillard’s announcement of the carbon dioxide tax in late February last year triggered a slide in voter satisfaction between 10 and 16 points in all areas.

Even among younger voters, her satisfaction was unchanged on 33 per cent with steady dissatisfaction of 54 per cent.

A House of Representatives election must be held by November next year and a half-Senate election cannot be held until the first week of August 2013.

Labor is in disarray in every State.

Labor is stuck with a loser as leader. MPs are asking themselves whether they can afford to desert this leader as they did her predecessor Kevin Rudd.

More than Labor is at stake, the future of the nation is in the balance as this party destroys the economy and moral fabric of the country.
 
CO2 tax court challenge
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Piers Akerman
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 (6:45am)

THE economy-destroying carbon dioxide tax will be decided by the courts no matter what the half-wits in the Gillard Labor-Green-Independent minority government claims.

That government does not have a great record when it comes to formulating tricky legislation.

Even though Prime Minister Julia Gillard practised law as a solicitor when she worked at Labor law firm Slater and Gordon, she was then by her own admission, young and naive

Nothing she has done since would indicate she has matured or acquired wisdom.

She lied like a child over the carbon dioxide tax and she has behaved like a petulant two-year-old over the Craig Thomson affair since it erupted, to give just two examples of her total lack of judgement.

With the introduction of the carbon dioxide tax looming from July 1, Gillard now faces a revolt led by the mining states, Queensland and Western Australia.

Queensland’s new Premier Campbell Newman has already asked his Solicitor General to look at the constitutionality of the punishing new tax and will consult NSW, Victoria and Western Australia about joint action in the High Court if the advice to his Liberal National Party government supported a challenge.

A spokeswoman for the Liberal WA government led by Colin Barnett last night told The Australian that constitutional advice “on some specific issues” with the carbon tax had been sought.

Newman has also indicated he has problems with Gillard’s disability funding reforms and flagged the possibility that Queensland would follow NSW and WA in lifting mineral royalties that are credited to the federal minerals resource rent tax.

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet says the federal government is confident the carbon pricing scheme was legally sound and has accused Newman of ignoring the compensation that would flow to households from next month.

No, he has not. He - like most voters - can see the compensation package for what it is - no more than a cheap pea-and-thimble trick designed to make some people think they are better off even as they are being slugged and mugged by a government desperate for cash to meet its stupid promise to produce a surplus when it is borrowing record amounts.

The voters can smell a fraud and the carbon dioxide tax is fraudulent.

It stinks as much as the rotten Health Services Union and Gillard’s pin-up boy Craig Thomson.

Only the removal of the Gillard government will start Australia’s recovery from this economic disaster.
 
Tomcat, I have no problem with you sharing your opinions and beliefs, but for God's sake, don't link or paste anything to do with that toad Piers Akerman. He's a Liberal fanboy and he is anything but objective.

A poor man's Rush Limbaugh.
 
political threads should be banned from this forum , just watching the crap on the news , and listening to it on the radio , please its taking up good room
 
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..
 
@andrew 474 said:
political threads should be banned from this forum , just watching the crap on the news , and listening to it on the radio , please its taking up good room

It's one dedicated thread in the general section. You probably have an interest in things that I couldn't care less about it. If you don't like political discussion don't open the thread. It's really as simple as that.
 
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…
 
@Yossarian said:
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…

Mate don't poke fun at those who genuinely cannot afford the increases imposed by this CARBON TAX HOAX.Typical labor way of thinking, PUT A TAX ON EVERYTHING AND "SCREW YOU JACK.!!!
 
@tomcat said:
@Yossarian said:
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…

Mate don't poke fun at those who genuinely cannot afford the increases imposed by this CARBON TAX HOAX.Typical labor way of thinking, PUT A TAX ON EVERYTHING AND "SCREW YOU JACK.!!!

Spare me the moral high horse act. We're talking $6 a week. Besides the only party that every put a tax on everything was the Liberal Party with the GST…

Can't afford to have the lights on? What a total load of bull droppings. Save it for 2GB or the Telegraph letter page. You can do better than a scare campaign. Besides what is Phony Tony's plan? Raise company taxes? Think that won't have an impact on prices?
 
Boss Yoss why is the prime minister doing so terribly bad in the polls ??Do you think it has anything to do with the Carbon Tax? And do you think she will lead the country again at the next election. Actually i'll answer the last question for you.
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@tomcat said:
Boss Yoss why is the prime minister doing so terribly bad in the polls ??Do you think it has anything to do with the Carbon Tax? And do you think she will lead the country again at the next election. Actually i'll answer the last question for you.
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NO :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I'll have a go at answering that for you, Tom. She is going bad in the polls because:

1\. The way she became PM - the whole drama with her replacing Rudd would have left a bad taste in many people's mouths, even though she wasn't the one initiating the 'backstabbing' (she was just next in line to take over) but as the new leader she cops **all** the blame.
2\. Then the stalemate at the election wouldn't have helped either. The govt being decided by Independents, instead of the people, gives everyone the opportunity to say "well we didn't vote her in, she' s not the people's PM blah, blah". I wonder if we would've heard the same rhetoric if Tony and the Libs had won that stalemate?
3\. The intense hatred for her being whipped up by the media, particularly 2GB and the Telegraph, both of which most of the country seem to listen to and read.
4\. Most Australians are still quite Neanderthal in their thinking and cannot stomach the thought of a woman being a leader. Hence, points 2 & 3.
5\. She's in the Labor Party - they are always much more harshly criticised, when in Govt, than the Libs, even when they have exactly the same policies and make similar decisions.

Will she lead the country again at the next election? I have no idea.

Hope this helps :neutral_face:
 
Let me counter your argument here.

@Flippedy said:
1\. The way she became PM - the whole drama with her replacing Rudd would have left a bad taste in many people's mouths, even though she wasn't the one initiating the 'backstabbing' (she was just next in line to take over) but as the new leader she cops **all** the blame.
Debateable. There is actually quite a bit of evidence to the contrary

2\. Then the stalemate at the election wouldn't have helped either. The govt being decided by Independents, instead of the people, gives everyone the opportunity to say "well we didn't vote her in, she' s not the people's PM blah, blah". I wonder if we would've heard the same rhetoric if Tony and the Libs had won that stalemate?
Probably would have…it really isnt an ideal situation. I actually give Gillard points for the way she has operated within this structure.

3\. The intense hatred for her being whipped up by the media, particularly 2GB and the Telegraph, both of which most of the country seem to listen to and read.
She makes it very easy for them to continually nail her with her extensive list of lies and broken promises. She also had a lot to do with the failed policies before she became leader then blamed Rudd for them all.

4\. Most Australians are still quite Neanderthal in their thinking and cannot stomach the thought of a woman being a leader. Hence, points 2 & 3.
This I believe is absolute bull crap. There is just as many females who dont like her. I know of quite a few who are still angry because her leadership coup robbed them of the right to be a part of voting in Australia's first female PM. To blame "neanderthal men" is a cop out and a joke...

5\. She's in the Labor Party - they are always much more harshly criticised, when in Govt, than the Libs, even when they have exactly the same policies and make similar decisions.
Again, absolute rubbish. Are you telling me John Howard was not hammered in the media?

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Your 5 points here in no way explain the electroates hatered of her as PM IMO.
Her condescention and untrustfulness have a hell of a lot more to do with it.
 
By Neanderthal thinking I didn't mean that men are solely to blame - that would be ridiculous. I am including both men and women - it's a social consciousness. Women will often collude in their own degradation.

Sure John Howard was criticised, but the level of criticism he received, when he was PM, was very tame (and never disrespectful) in comparison to what's being thrown around about Gillard and her Govt now - have you listened to 2GB lately?

Feel free to keep your head in the sand, Stryker. She is not the first PM, who has been condescending and un-trustful, but the last one, who was, polled well and managed to hold office for 4 terms!
 
Where is your evidence that 'most' Australians are neanderthals with their thinking towards females? Sure there is a lot of sexism in the community still but I dont see that as a driving force of the electorates dislike for this particular woman. It is her personality and personal demenour that is turning many off. There are some woman who deride her due to her fashion sense or big bum but they are the same morons that think fashions in the field is the most important part of any social gathering.

Howard was constantly criticised and degraded in the media. He was called little johny and always represented as an ugly little frog wearing huge oversized glasses. She does cop it as well, but thats political life in Australia for some reason. Her government cops it harder than Howards for one reason. They are inept. They come up with good ideas for policy, but thats about as far as they go. They have proven time and again that they couldnt run a chook raffle. That all comes back to their lack of real world business experience. She is also so blatant with her lies and backflips that you just stare at the tv and say 'you have to be kidding me!' She lies about lying!!!

One thing she is though, is a very formidable politician. She screwed Rudd twice, Wilkie, upstaged Abbott numerous times…the list just goes on and on. Does that make her a great leader? IMO no it does not. It makes her a snake in the grass that is very good at keeping her job. Her move with the speaker was a masterstroke. She got out of honoring her agreement with Wilkie (which helped get her into office), by making his vote irrelevant. Like I said, great sneak thief but terrible leader of a nation. It comes across as one big game to her. The electroate has woken up to her antics though and as a result she will be thrashed at the polls next year.
 
@tomcat said:
@Yossarian said:
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…

Mate don't poke fun at those who genuinely cannot afford the increases imposed by this CARBON TAX HOAX.Typical labor way of thinking, PUT A TAX ON EVERYTHING AND "SCREW YOU JACK.!!!

Yoss $6 a week would get you 3 sausage sangas outside of Bunnings
 
@happy tiger said:
@tomcat said:
@Yossarian said:
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…

Mate don't poke fun at those who genuinely cannot afford the increases imposed by this CARBON TAX HOAX.Typical labor way of thinking, PUT A TAX ON EVERYTHING AND "SCREW YOU JACK.!!!

Yoss $6 a week would get you 3 sausage sangas outside of Bunnings

Used to be $1.50 at Penriff Bunnings.
 
@happy tiger said:
@tomcat said:
@Yossarian said:
@tomcat said:
Talking to a mate from Bunnings who told me customers are now buying garden solar lights putting them in the garden all day then bringing them in sde at night time for lighting .With electricity prices about to SOAR with the carbon tax coming in on July 1st who can blame them..

Well maybe they can USE the $6 a week they save to BUY a sausage SANDWICH from the kids out in the CAR PARK.
I mean seriously they probably used more than $6 in fuel going to Bunnings in the first place…

Mate don't poke fun at those who genuinely cannot afford the increases imposed by this CARBON TAX HOAX.Typical labor way of thinking, PUT A TAX ON EVERYTHING AND "SCREW YOU JACK.!!!

Yoss $6 a week would get you 3 sausage sangas outside of Bunnings

Cost me $2.50 at West Gosford. I'm being ripped off!! Gilllllllaaaarrrrddddd!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:
 
The Labour party is bloody terrible and anyone who defends them has their head in the sand. Great idea to have a carbon tax that does nothing to help the climate. Yoss i just cant beleive you can defend this bunch of liars and loonies. Next you will tell me that Rob dopeshot is a good politician. Please spare me
 
@matty tiepie said:
The Labour party is bloody terrible and anyone who defends them has their head in the sand. Great idea to have a carbon tax that does nothing to help the climate. Yoss i just cant beleive you can defend this bunch of liars and loonies. Next you will tell me that Rob dopeshot is a good politician. Please spare me

Gee way to embrace good natured debate! Ease up champ, we're all entitled to an opinion based on our view of the world. Rob Oakeshott isn't a member of the ALP or the government. I don't think I've ever said much positive about him at all. His office is in a nice location though…
 
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