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Greens back Labor to hold power in ACT

From: AAP
November 02, 2012 4:22PM
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LABOR will govern for another four years in the ACT, after Greens MLA Shane Rattenbury announced his support for Katy Gallagher's government.

Labor and the Canberra Liberals won eight seats each in the October 20 election, with Mr Rattenbury holding the only other seat in the 17-seat assembly.

Both parties won 38.9 per cent of the primary vote, but on numbers, the Liberals were 41 votes ahead of Labor out of more than 221,000 formal ballots cast.

Mr Rattenbury said he had conducted negotiations with both leaders with "goodwill".

"My decision about who to form government with was based on good policy and the capacity to deliver stable government in the ACT over the next four years," he told reporters in Canberra today.

"I have decided to support Katy Gallagher and the Labor party into government in the ACT for the next four years."
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He said a 100-item agreement would be signed, including support for a light rail project for Canberra.

The ACT assembly will meet on Tuesday for the first time since the election.

Mr Rattenbury was left shouldering the Greens agenda on his own after the party, which previously held four seats and supported the Labor government, suffered a 4.9 per cent swing against it.

Mr Rattenbury said the light rail project would transform Canberra, cut greenhouse emissions and ease traffic congestion.

He said Labor had agreed to legislate for gay marriage in the ACT, following the failure of the federal parliament to pass such laws.

Mr Rattenbury has also agreed to accept a cabinet post in the government.

"I believe it is time after 17 years of the ACT Greens being represented in the legislative assembly and on the crossbench for the ACT Greens to play a role in government," he said.

"I want this to be the most progressive and green government in Australia.

"Having the responsibility of a minister I believe I can help achieve that."

Surely this bloke is kidding? ACT has always been a Labor stronghold however this time around Liberals actually beat them. There used to be 4 Greens there is now 1 indicating that the people of Canberra dont trust them and this dork thinks he will be able to turn the government into "the most progressive and green government in Australia"? I have done a fair bit of work in Canberra over the past 2 years and my view is that the Stanhope/Gallagher government are every bit as inept as the NSW and QLD Labor governments that were recently turfed out were and maybe even more so. As per normal, this government is running at a massive deficit and this la-di-da wants to build a light rail network?

LOL I think the people of Canberra and surrounding regions can expect large rate rises very very soon…..
 
@Yossarian said:
So you'd suggest the O'Farrell and Newman governments are beacons of great governance?

No. But it is too early to call yet seeing as they were so severly hamstrung by their predecessors.
 
@Rambo2714 said:
@stryker said:
How is the MRRT going so far?

…not too good...

Lol . Nice post …... I suspect the mining companies may have found a way around it , perhaps fudging their numbers for this quarter .
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How do you feel about the MRRT Stryker ?

Good or bad and why ?
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..... Just thinking maybe it would be nice to actually discuss policy , rather then the constant cycle of bagging politicians .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

I can tell you how its going from one mining company

Xstrata

600 jobs gone already

200 more to go

Closure of 3 mines

Basing operations and staff overseas and looking at international work more than local work

Thanks Miss Gillard and Mr Swan

Best treasurer in the world hey

Imagine how bad the others must be
 
@happy tiger said:
@Rambo2714 said:
@stryker said:
How is the MRRT going so far?

…not too good...

Lol . Nice post …... I suspect the mining companies may have found a way around it , perhaps fudging their numbers for this quarter .
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How do you feel about the MRRT Stryker ?

Good or bad and why ?
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..... Just thinking maybe it would be nice to actually discuss policy , rather then the constant cycle of bagging politicians .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

I can tell you how its going from one mining company

Xstrata

600 jobs gone already

200 more to go

Closure of 3 mines

Basing operations and staff overseas and looking at international work more than local work

Thanks Miss Gillard and Mr Swan

Best treasurer in the world hey

Imagine how bad the others must be

I just searched long and hard for information to support your claim that Xtrata have closed 3 mines and shed 600 workers couldn't find anything ?

Do you have a link or something which backs up your claim ?
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_
 
@Rambo2714 said:
@happy tiger said:
@Rambo2714 said:
@stryker said:
How is

Xstrata

600 jobs gone already

200 more to go

Closure of 3 mines

Basing operations and staff overseas and looking at international work more than local work

Thanks Miss Gillard and Mr Swan

Best treasurer in the world hey

Imagine how bad the others must be

I just searched long and hard for information to support your claim that Xtrata have closed 3 mines and shed 600 workers couldn't find anything ?

Do you have a link or something which backs up your claim ?
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Found it ….. I was searching "xtrata mining ", I should have searched "xtrata coal "
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The job cuts relate tons downturn in commodity prices has nothing to do with MRRT, and more to do with the world moving more towards renewable energy options .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_
 
@Rambo2714 said:
@happy tiger said:
@Rambo2714 said:
@stryker said:
How is the MRRT going so far?

…not too good...

Lol . Nice post …... I suspect the mining companies may have found a way around it , perhaps fudging their numbers for this quarter .
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How do you feel about the MRRT Stryker ?

Good or bad and why ?
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..... Just thinking maybe it would be nice to actually discuss policy , rather then the constant cycle of bagging politicians .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

I can tell you how its going from one mining company

Xstrata

600 jobs gone already

200 more to go

Closure of 3 mines

Basing operations and staff overseas and looking at international work more than local work

Thanks Miss Gillard and Mr Swan

Best treasurer in the world hey

Imagine how bad the others must be

I just searched long and hard for information to support your claim that Xtrata have closed 3 mines and shed 600 workers couldn't find anything ?

Do you have a link or something which backs up your claim ?
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Don't need a link Brother In Law is fairly high up the food chain and its mixture of the two , but more heavily linked to the increased taxes

Mines that had been reopened due to technology allowing better yields have been closed as they have been made unprofitable and more WILL follow
 
@Rambo2714 said:
Found it ….. I was searching "xtrata mining ", I should have searched "xtrata coal "
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The job cuts relate tons downturn in commodity prices has nothing to do with MRRT, and more to do with the world moving more towards renewable energy options .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Of course it has nothing to do with the MRRT - to suggest so is extremely disingenuous since nobody paid a cent in MRRT last quarter… I'm surprised the Carbon tax wasn't thrown in as a job lot...
As you suggest it is based on commodity prices which in turn is based on what's going on in China. I mean who shuts down a mine because they'd make a massive profit instead of an incredibly massive profit?
 
@Yossarian said:
@Rambo2714 said:
Found it ….. I was searching "xtrata mining ", I should have searched "xtrata coal "
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The job cuts relate tons downturn in commodity prices has nothing to do with MRRT, and more to do with the world moving more towards renewable energy options .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Of course it has nothing to do with the MRRT - to suggest so is extremely disingenuous since nobody paid a cent in MRRT last quarter… I'm surprised the Carbon tax wasn't thrown in as a job lot...
As you suggest it is based on commodity prices which in turn is based on what's going on in China. I mean who shuts down a mine because they'd make a massive profit instead of an incredibly massive profit?

Yoss they aren't closing the massive profit mines

If you read what I said , they are closing the mines they reopened due to the advancement as far as yields were concerned

Now they aren't profitable due to our esteemed leaders and their miscued logic youe fellow Australians are losing their jobs

Any person who voted Labor at the 2 last elections should be wearing the costs

Fools Fools Fools Why don't you vote Labor again and totally screw the country
 
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@Rambo2714 said:
Found it ….. I was searching "xtrata mining ", I should have searched "xtrata coal "
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The job cuts relate tons downturn in commodity prices has nothing to do with MRRT, and more to do with the world moving more towards renewable energy options .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Of course it has nothing to do with the MRRT - to suggest so is extremely disingenuous since nobody paid a cent in MRRT last quarter… I'm surprised the Carbon tax wasn't thrown in as a job lot...
As you suggest it is based on commodity prices which in turn is based on what's going on in China. I mean who shuts down a mine because they'd make a massive profit instead of an incredibly massive profit?

Yoss they aren't closing the massive profit mines

If you read what I said , they are closing the mines they reopened due to the advancement as far as yields were concerned

Now they aren't profitable due to our esteemed leaders and their miscued logic youe fellow Australians are losing their jobs

Any person who voted Labor at the 2 last elections should be wearing the costs

Fools Fools Fools Why don't you vote Labor again and totally screw the country

The point is that Tony Abbott is a drop kick and whilst he is leader of the libs they have no chance …..
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People in mining jobs got paid megabucks - its the nature of resource booms. Make money while you can because the good times don't last forever. None of this is the government's fault. It is not the place of government to pave the way for mining companies to make massive profits off resources which are owned by the Australian people. This won't be the last boom and at some time very soon someone is going to want to mine the resources we have left.

You talk about jobs? How about the poor bastards Newman has sacked? They're people too…
 
@Rambo2714 said:
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@Rambo2714 said:
Found it ….. I was searching "xtrata mining ", I should have searched "xtrata coal "
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The job cuts relate tons downturn in commodity prices has nothing to do with MRRT, and more to do with the world moving more towards renewable energy options .
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Of course it has nothing to do with the MRRT - to suggest so is extremely disingenuous since nobody paid a cent in MRRT last quarter… I'm surprised the Carbon tax wasn't thrown in as a job lot...
As you suggest it is based on commodity prices which in turn is based on what's going on in China. I mean who shuts down a mine because they'd make a massive profit instead of an incredibly massive profit?

Yoss they aren't closing the massive profit mines

If you read what I said , they are closing the mines they reopened due to the advancement as far as yields were concerned

Now they aren't profitable due to our esteemed leaders and their miscued logic youe fellow Australians are losing their jobs

Any person who voted Labor at the 2 last elections should be wearing the costs

Fools Fools Fools Why don't you vote Labor again and totally screw the country

The point is that Tony Abbott is a drop kick and whilst he is leader of the libs they have no chance …..
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Rambo I agree that we will struggle with Abbott , but if we do the smart thing and throw Turnbull back in as leader Labor federally will get squashed
 
@Yossarian said:
People in mining jobs got paid megabucks - its the nature of resource booms. Make money while you can because the good times don't last forever. None of this is the government's fault. It is not the place of government to pave the way for mining companies to make massive profits off resources which are owned by the Australian people. This won't be the last boom and at some time very soon someone is going to want to mine the resources we have left.

You talk about jobs? How about the poor bastards Newman has sacked? They're people too…

And why was that Yoss , because Captain Bligh put every man ,woman and child into the public service

We had more public servants in Qld than Victoria

If any of the unemployed want to move to any country town there are heaps of jobs available

I could easily take on 10-15 part time staff at the moment and places like Biloela ,Moranbah ,Kingaroy are screaming for staff We need to make the 457 options more easily and readily available
 
You have a large state Happy and a well spread population… Your infrastructure is going to require more people than Victoria. Pretty much everyone in Victoria is close enough to Melbourne but you can't run everything out of Brisbane.

It's easy to take a kick at public servants but they're doing a job and when you get rid of them the work they were doing goes with them. A lot of them have families and don't want to move.
 
Don't get me started on state politics Yoss

Absolute waste of money

Federal should control everything so our country can be running in the same direction for all people in all states

Same education ,laws everything
 
@happy tiger said:
@Rambo2714 said:
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
Of course it has nothing to do with the MRRT - to suggest so is extremely disingenuous since nobody paid a cent in MRRT last quarter… I'm surprised the Carbon tax wasn't thrown in as a job lot...
As you suggest it is based on commodity prices which in turn is based on what's going on in China. I mean who shuts down a mine because they'd make a massive profit instead of an incredibly massive profit?

Yoss they aren't closing the massive profit mines

If you read what I said , they are closing the mines they reopened due to the advancement as far as yields were concerned

Now they aren't profitable due to our esteemed leaders and their miscued logic youe fellow Australians are losing their jobs

Any person who voted Labor at the 2 last elections should be wearing the costs

Fools Fools Fools Why don't you vote Labor again and totally screw the country

The point is that Tony Abbott is a drop kick and whilst he is leader of the libs they have no chance …..
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

Rambo I agree that we will struggle with Abbott , but if we do the smart thing and throw Turnbull back in as leader Labor federally will get squashed

If Turnbull was Leader , libs would win in a landslide , and he would be PM for at least 3 terms , the problem is alot of libs see Turnbull as more left wing then Christine Milne
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@happy tiger said:
Don't get me started on state politics Yoss

Absolute waste of money

Federal should control everything so our country can be running in the same direction for all people in all states

Same education ,laws everything

This is where I agree with Toryism ,

At a minim state govt should shrink and surrender control of things like , health and education to the Feds

The main thing which I think the state should maintain control of is infrastructure and planning .
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@Yossarian said:
People in mining jobs got paid megabucks - its the nature of resource booms. Make money while you can because the good times don't last forever. None of this is the government's fault. It is not the place of government to pave the way for mining companies to make massive profits off resources which are owned by the Australian people. This won't be the last boom and at some time very soon someone is going to want to mine the resources we have left.

You talk about jobs? How about the poor bastards Newman has sacked? They're people too…

I agree Yoss, It's not the MRT. It's a profit based tax and shouldn't play a major role in the NPV analysis for an investment decision. BUT one thing the Government shouldn't have done was to make every stimulus measure focused on the unskilled workforce. Batts, Home Grants, Roads, BER & the NBN sucked out unskilled workers. Which didn't only lead to blowouts for these Govt schemes, but would have driven wage inflation in Mining to attract workers.

Now these guys are importing workers from overseas, look At Roy Hill. Probably an attempt to start to put downward wage pressure on. There was also another construction company that did the same, but can't remember their name.

Why didn't we invest in Medical Equipment for our aging population? Throw money at CSIRO or other companies for Green Technology? How about establishing a proper Entrepreneurial fund to encourage the IT industry (which is the biggest barrier to development - not a slightly faster network!)

Biggest spend in my lifetime, when we have MASSIVE future challenges, and they WASTED OUR HARD EARNED MONEY while making it harder for one of our best performing industries. Ridiculous.
 
@happy tiger said:
And why was that Yoss , because Captain Bligh put every man ,woman and child into the public service

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/07/02/introducing-the-qld-treasurer/
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![](http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/files/2012/07/QPSbypopulation.png)
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so what you're saying is you want less police, teachers and nurses in Qld?
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Although I have to agree with you that we'd all be better off if they canned State Governments altogether
 
@hammertime said:
@Yossarian said:
People in mining jobs got paid megabucks - its the nature of resource booms. Make money while you can because the good times don't last forever. None of this is the government's fault. It is not the place of government to pave the way for mining companies to make massive profits off resources which are owned by the Australian people. This won't be the last boom and at some time very soon someone is going to want to mine the resources we have left.

You talk about jobs? How about the poor bastards Newman has sacked? They're people too…

I agree Yoss, It's not the MRT. It's a profit based tax and shouldn't play a major role in the NPV analysis for an investment decision. BUT one thing the Government shouldn't have done was to make every stimulus measure focused on the unskilled workforce. Batts, Home Grants, Roads, BER & the NBN sucked out unskilled workers. Which didn't only lead to blowouts for these Govt schemes, but would have driven wage inflation in Mining to attract workers.

Now these guys are importing workers from overseas, look At Roy Hill. Probably an attempt to start to put downward wage pressure on. There was also another construction company that did the same, but can't remember their name.

Why didn't we invest in Medical Equipment for our aging population? Throw money at CSIRO or other companies for Green Technology? How about establishing a proper Entrepreneurial fund to encourage the IT industry (which is the biggest barrier to development - not a slightly faster network!)

Biggest spend in my lifetime, when we have MASSIVE future challenges, and they WASTED OUR HARD EARNED MONEY while making it harder for one of our best performing industries. Ridiculous.

FWIW I do agree with you on this. Dedication to infrastructure is woeful in this country and both sides of politics are to blame.
 
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