Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tim Sheens]

Beazley won the 2PP in 1998\. It's hard but not impossible.[/quote

Howard was PM from 96 to 2006?? what do you mean
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It is a little known fact that the coalition crowed on about a supposed mandate after that election, despite losing a raft of seats and having 3% less of the vote (48.5/51.5) on a 2PP basis. The passing of the GST legislation under these circumstances is the main reason that the Democrats went into oblivion.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

 

[happy_tiger]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

What makes gay and lesbians worse parents ??

As Keanu Reeves says in the movie Parenthood "You need a licence to drive a car or to own a pet , but any butthole can become a parent "

Being a good parent is all about being 100 percent committed to your kids and their needs , not whether you want to sleep with the same or the opposite sex

 

[hammertime]

Same sex marriage doesn't require a constitutional amendment… The Marriage Act can be changed by an act of parliament.

You need to read back mate. It's about the ACT wanting to override federal law.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

What makes gay and lesbians worse parents ??

As Keanu Reeves says in the movie Parenthood "You need a licence to drive a car or to own a pet , but any butthole can become a parent "

Being a good parent is all about being 100 percent committed to your kids and their needs , not whether you want to sleep with the same or the opposite sex

Completely agree. There's plenty of crappy households with one mother and father. I'm sure gay couples couldn't do any worse. Hetero couples have ruined whatever sanctity the traditional definitions of marriage and parenthood meant anyway…

 

[wtigers]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

You against single parents having babies too? That's the same principle…

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[happy_tiger]

The one thing I really would like to see changed is the Adoption laws

We are badly behind the times with our policies in this area

 

[Yossarian]

Same sex marriage doesn't require a constitutional amendment… The Marriage Act can be changed by an act of parliament.

You need to read back mate. It's about the ACT wanting to override federal law.

If it wasn't about gay marriage it wouldn't be an issue…

 

[Tim Sheens]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

You against single parents having babies too? That's the same principle…

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They can even be gay and/or single. My gay sibling also feels the same way and will not show affection of any sort in an environment that may contain children.

I think children have enough to deal with as it is, putting them in positions that are different again to the other mish mash 99.9% of society is another hurdle they should not have to cope with.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

What makes gay and lesbians worse parents ??

As Keanu Reeves says in the movie Parenthood "You need a licence to drive a car or to own a pet , but any butthole can become a parent "

Being a good parent is all about being 100 percent committed to your kids and their needs , not whether you want to sleep with the same or the opposite sex

Completely agree. There's plenty of crappy households with one mother and father. I'm sure gay couples couldn't do any worse. Hetero couples have ruined whatever sanctity the traditional definitions of marriage and parenthood meant anyway…

I question my own parenting on a regular basis as well, even though I think that I do an okay job, I could do better.

My gay sibling is also of a similar opinion in relation to child rearing environment.

 

[wtigers]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

You against single parents having babies too? That's the same principle…

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They can even be gay and/or single. My gay sibling also feels the same way and will not show affection of any sort in an environment that may contain children.

I think children have enough to deal with as it is, putting them in positions that are different again to the other mish mash 99.9% of society is another hurdle they should not have to cope with.

I looked over these two kids once. Children of a lesbian couple. The kids were some of the sweetest little kids I've ever met, lovely, kind, compassionate and caring to each other. A gay parent has the same amount of ability to treat a child with compassion and be supportive of a child. A gay parent can still instil morals on their child. A gay parent can do anything a child can do.

Having gay parents isn't a hurdle unless other children make it a hurdle. Unless another kid goes up to them and starts making fun of them for their parents sexual orientation, a kid generally has no problems with it. Should a person be denied the opportunity to love or care for a child just because someone else has a warped perception of the world? (the answer is no)

Generally, if you go up to a kid and say 'sometimes a man loves a man and a woman loves a woman and that's normal' they won't care. They'll say 'okay, can I have an ice cream'. It doesn't affect the child at all because gay parents are LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT TO STRAIGHT PARENTS.

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[Tim Sheens]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

You against single parents having babies too? That's the same principle…

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_

They can even be gay and/or single. My gay sibling also feels the same way and will not show affection of any sort in an environment that may contain children.

I think children have enough to deal with as it is, putting them in positions that are different again to the other mish mash 99.9% of society is another hurdle they should not have to cope with.

I looked over these two kids once. Children of a lesbian couple. The kids were some of the sweetest little kids I've ever met, lovely, kind, compassionate and caring to each other. A gay parent has the same amount of ability to treat a child with compassion and be supportive of a child. A gay parent can still instil morals on their child. A gay parent can do anything a child can do.

Having gay parents isn't a hurdle unless other children make it a hurdle. Unless another kid goes up to them and starts making fun of them for their parents sexual orientation, a kid generally has no problems with it. Should a person be denied the opportunity to love or care for a child just because someone else has a warped perception of the world? (the answer is no)

Generally, if you go up to a kid and say 'sometimes a man loves a man and a woman loves a woman and that's normal' they won't care. They'll say 'okay, can I have an ice cream'. It doesn't affect the child at all because gay parents are LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT TO STRAIGHT PARENTS.

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Whilst overall we will have to agree to disagree on this one, at least we can agree that it can place additional hurdles in a child's life, even if not through direct fault of a parent.

 

[Blake93]

You against single parents having babies too? That's the same principle…

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They can even be gay and/or single. My gay sibling also feels the same way and will not show affection of any sort in an environment that may contain children.

I think children have enough to deal with as it is, putting them in positions that are different again to the other mish mash 99.9% of society is another hurdle they should not have to cope with.

I looked over these two kids once. Children of a lesbian couple. The kids were some of the sweetest little kids I've ever met, lovely, kind, compassionate and caring to each other. A gay parent has the same amount of ability to treat a child with compassion and be supportive of a child. A gay parent can still instil morals on their child. A gay parent can do anything a child can do.

Having gay parents isn't a hurdle unless other children make it a hurdle. Unless another kid goes up to them and starts making fun of them for their parents sexual orientation, a kid generally has no problems with it. Should a person be denied the opportunity to love or care for a child just because someone else has a warped perception of the world? (the answer is no)

Generally, if you go up to a kid and say 'sometimes a man loves a man and a woman loves a woman and that's normal' they won't care. They'll say 'okay, can I have an ice cream'. It doesn't affect the child at all because gay parents are LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT TO STRAIGHT PARENTS.

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Whilst overall we will have to agree to disagree on this one, at least we can agree that it can place additional hurdles in a child's life, even if not through direct fault of a parent.

So can having red hair, so can being really short. What a ridiculously simplistic argument on such a complex matter.

Hurdles and challenges are good for the development of being mentally strong. A child growing up in a gated community with a "perfect" upbringing will have more problems than a kid who lives in the suburbs, breaks bones, gets in fights with other kids and doesn't get everything they want.

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[Tiger_Watto]

Yeah, I dont really see any major problems in same sex couples raising children. The children will still be schooled, educated and interact with everyday families the same as others.

I'm not 100% certain, but I think statistics show most same sex couples have higher household incomes, and I feel being able to 'afford' children is a bigger concern than who plays mummy & daddy.

On the Sunshine Coast, we have just gone through a baby boom with mothers aged between 16-20, with little to no means of being able to self fund these children… Its becoming very scary!

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[Cultured_Bogan]

I am all for anybody having the right to marry or anything else to do with formalizing a relationship, if they choose to do so. The vast majority of people I know feel the same and all recent major surveys show a majority in favour as well. It should have been done already.

What I am against though is children growing up in a same sex household, and vehemently against letting them get around adoption laws by getting foreign surrogates.

What makes gay and lesbians worse parents ??

As Keanu Reeves says in the movie Parenthood "You need a licence to drive a car or to own a pet , but any butthole can become a parent "

Being a good parent is all about being 100 percent committed to your kids and their needs , not whether you want to sleep with the same or the opposite sex

Completely agree. There's plenty of crappy households with one mother and father. I'm sure gay couples couldn't do any worse. Hetero couples have ruined whatever sanctity the traditional definitions of marriage and parenthood meant anyway…

I question my own parenting on a regular basis as well, even though I think that I do an okay job, I could do better.

My gay sibling is also of a similar opinion in relation to child rearing environment.

So your gay brother/sister can speak on behalf of all gays? I'm sure there are plenty out there who would love to be parents.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

They can even be gay and/or single. My gay sibling also feels the same way and will not show affection of any sort in an environment that may contain children.

I think children have enough to deal with as it is, putting them in positions that are different again to the other mish mash 99.9% of society is another hurdle they should not have to cope with.

I looked over these two kids once. Children of a lesbian couple. The kids were some of the sweetest little kids I've ever met, lovely, kind, compassionate and caring to each other. A gay parent has the same amount of ability to treat a child with compassion and be supportive of a child. A gay parent can still instil morals on their child. A gay parent can do anything a child can do.

Having gay parents isn't a hurdle unless other children make it a hurdle. Unless another kid goes up to them and starts making fun of them for their parents sexual orientation, a kid generally has no problems with it. Should a person be denied the opportunity to love or care for a child just because someone else has a warped perception of the world? (the answer is no)

Generally, if you go up to a kid and say 'sometimes a man loves a man and a woman loves a woman and that's normal' they won't care. They'll say 'okay, can I have an ice cream'. It doesn't affect the child at all because gay parents are LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT TO STRAIGHT PARENTS.

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Whilst overall we will have to agree to disagree on this one, at least we can agree that it can place additional hurdles in a child's life, even if not through direct fault of a parent.

Children are cruel, and they'll pick on other kids for anything. Why is being picked on for having gay parents any different to being picked on for being poor, having red hair or freckles. I would hazard a guess that any child that bullies another for having gay parents would have learned that behaviour from their own parents, which would call into question the example the bullies straight parents are setting for them.

I got hassled all through my primary school years for anything and everything. They sense a weakness about you and they target you.

 

[hammertime]

Same sex marriage doesn't require a constitutional amendment… The Marriage Act can be changed by an act of parliament.

You need to read back mate. It's about the ACT wanting to override federal law.

If it wasn't about gay marriage it wouldn't be an issue…

Come on Yoss, that's just not correct.

 

[Yossarian]

Same sex marriage doesn't require a constitutional amendment… The Marriage Act can be changed by an act of parliament.

You need to read back mate. It's about the ACT wanting to override federal law.

If it wasn't about gay marriage it wouldn't be an issue…

Come on Yoss, that's just not correct.

So you're saying the Commonwealth exercises its powers under s122 in a consistent and even manner? Apart from euthanasia and gay rights when can you remember the Commonwealth overturning legislation passed by a territory? They've taken a very limited view of what the constitution says regarding marriage and now they're trying to stop a democratically elected government from legislating as they see fit.

If they're challenging on s109 they might be on even dodgier ground. Thanks to the last lot of changes the right made to the marriage act the Commonwealth has specified marriage only relates to a man and a woman. On that basis their standing to challenge the civil union bill as being inconsistent with marriage law is considerably weaker.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yoss makes a very good point Hammer

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Live Exports of Sheep has raised its head again…

I personally don't have a problem with the practice of sacrificing a lamb as part of an ritual or a means to a meal. But Im not sure if this is what our farmers in Australia breed sheep for.

I reckon if some cultures choose to practice this, they should breed the beast themselves, and Australian live exports should only exist to wholesale meat suppliers who intend to kill the beasts in a manner as outlined by our laws.

Whats everyones thoughts on this?

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