Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

Ah Pauline, the quintessential bandwagoner.

 

[hammertime]

Thank god the days of Gillard, Rudd & Abbott are well behind us.
History has really made the people who cheered when Howard got the boot look like dimwits.

With some decent tax reform and we go full circle with a new Carbon and Mining tax (or call them what you like), history will judge Gillard more kindly than Abbott. Abbott's repeal of what I believe was the best piece of tax reform since the GST is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in Australian politics.

I agree with you there Gary. An Emissions Trading Scheme is the only way to go. Turnbull believes it too but I don't reckon he'll get his party to agree it. Nor would he risk his downfall by trying to work with Labor on it again.

The only way we can hope is that the Australian public are educated over time on what an ETS actually means vs other options and Turnbull can take it to an election. Tony's rhetoric of 'Big new tax' is just wrong. It boggles the mind how someone with an Economics degree from Oxford rejects a economic mechanism for Climate control.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Was likely an honourary degree.

 

[hammertime]

Was likely an honourary degree.

He was actually a Rhodes scholar mate, as surprising as that is.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Was likely an honourary degree.

He was actually a Rhodes scholar mate, as surprising as that is.

I'm aware. I was starting to think he may have been beneficiary of a gifted scholarship much like his daughter with his total inadequacy as a public speaker and slender grasp on the English language.

 

[stryker]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

 

[happy_tiger]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

Give the bloke a chance Stryker , he's been in the job for a blink

 

[hammertime]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

The bloke was co-chair of Goldman Sachs Australia, one of the most competitive and ruthless organisations in the world. No one who gets to that position is weak.

He's being tactful at the moment which is understandable given his history. I have no doubt he'll start to rock the boat as soon as he's entrenched himself a bit.

 

[happy_tiger]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

The bloke was co-chair of Goldman Sachs Australia, one of the most competitive and ruthless organisations in the world. No one who gets to that position is weak.

He's being tactful at the moment which is understandable given his history. I have no doubt he'll start to rock the boat as soon as he's entrenched himself a bit.

Look I don't think he is weak Stryker , but he certainly has been a disappointment to many Australian voters

He promised so much but has delivered little in my opinion , if the labour candidate in my electorate wasn't such a douche he probably would have got my vote

 

[Tim Sheens]

The public just gave the conservatives an even bigger dose of the double dissolution that they asked for. Turnbull is merely their temporary puppet.

 

[stryker]

Liberals got what they deserved. They have been pretty ordinary.

 

[stryker]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

Give the bloke a chance Stryker , he's been in the job for a blink

😱pen_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :blush:

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

he has always been a blusterer as far as politics are concerned and as Keating stated 20 years ago he does not possess judgement.

His senate will be just as hung as before if not worse and that was his double dissolution trigger so he deserves all that he got. I am glad Lambie got up even though she is non sophistcated nor highly educated. She must have been doing something right. It may be fantastic Xenaphon having balancing control of the Senate.

 

[cktiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

 

[happy_tiger]

he has always been a blusterer as far as politics are concerned and as Keating stated 20 years ago he does not possess judgement.

His senate will be just as hung as before if not worse and that was his double dissolution trigger so he deserves all that he got. I am glad Lambie got up even though she is non sophistcated nor highly educated. She must have been doing something right. It may be fantastic Xenaphon having balancing control of the Senate.

Will Xenephon get into the Senate BBF ??

Last night on the radio when coming home he didn't sound that confident

 

[happy_tiger]

Liberals got what they deserved. They have been pretty ordinary.

I think the biggest mistakes that Turnbull have made is fail to recognize the best way to stimulate job growth in small business is increased sales and better bottom line figures due to increased sales

Secondly turning his back on his own opinions in regards to Global Warming have really killed his popularity

If he had a half decent Labour leader up against him he gets lapped

Shorten is a fool , wanna be Abbott :laughing:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

 

[Nelson]

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

That was always going to happen. He was never going to be able to maintain the numbers to lead the party without keeping conservative support and as soon as he had tried to introduce legislation to legalise gay marriage or create a market on carbon he would have lost them. Both major parties tend to run to type regardless of who happens to lead them. If they go a little further one way or the other it's usually because one faction or the other holds sway at that point in time.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

That was always going to happen. He was never going to be able to maintain the numbers to lead the party without keeping conservative support and as soon as he had tried to introduce legislation to legalise gay marriage or create a market on carbon he would have lost them. Both major parties tend to run to type regardless of who happens to lead them. If they go a little further one way or the other it's usually because one faction or the other holds sway at that point in time.

That's true.
The Question now is can he stay long as leader, there's so much hatred in the Extreme right that it's hard to see him remaining until the next election, When rusted on
Supporters such as Jones , Bolt and Ackerman get a bead on someone that they despise as much as they do Turnbull, they'll make life hell for him this term

When News limited turn on someone , they don't let up, and they seem to hate Turnbull almost more than they hate Labour.
Anyway it will be an interesting time, watching them having to deal with Pauline, Jackie and Nick, and possibly more.
Could be funny watching the Libs, trying to get the specific Bills through( which were supposed to be what this double dissolution was about). Could be a major embarrassment for them

 

[happy_tiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

GCT the reason people can't afford him in the cities and country area is pure greed

Greed from everyone involved , including the SELLERS , you and I