Quickest backflip??

[stevetiger]

Hobbo, I dont agree with yout anti Taylor for a second, but will back your Farah assesment to the hilt. The guy is still a great player, but a very average DH. I would try to make a space for him in the team on his footballing quality alone, though Cherrington, I dont know whether it is his responsiveness to direction from the halves or the crispness, but damn, has shown Robbie up as a Hooker in a big way without being super special.

I don't think Robbie is a dud dummy half at all but he has lost some pace and spark. Cherrington has pace and spark.

I don't think Robbie should be getting any more big contracts.

 

[stevetiger]

Could you even add Woods to that , Ava ,Lodge and Sue seem to get quicker play the balls and with Woods dominating our sets of 6 at crucial times with his hit ups could this be causing issues at times

I said at some point recently that they are our marquee players but they are probably on way too much money. Woods isn't that much better than the other options that we have. Robbie is slowing down.

I think they are both great players but the point is that they aren't that great.

 

[stevetiger]

Hmmm taylor supporters are too classy to say I told you so.

This is the biggest backflip that we will see on here. The truth is as soon as we stop playing Taylor ball we look a lot better.

That was a great effort and it is exactly what we have been asking for. The fans that have been calling out for a change of tactics deserve a tonne of credit. Lets hope that we don't see any Taylor ball for the rest of the season.

That was Taylor ball Baby - in spades. You may not want to see it, but I do - next week and for the rest of the season.
Just hope they follow the game plan again.

What a coach!!!! - could be the best in the comp.

No just kiddin! Couldn't be him
It is only him when we lose. Isn't it?

I completely disagree. I think he adjusted from Taylor ball though and that is what counts.

I want to be wrong about the guy and today was a good start.

 

[stevetiger]

Why not - you rip into him after each individual game!

Maybe he should get a credit after an individual game!

I personally give JT a lot of credit after that game. He changed his tactics that simply were not working. The team played both offence and defence. What a difference that made.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So let me get this right in my own head for a second

So when we play well its the players ??

When we play bad its the coach and his tactics ??

I'm guessing that following that logic Taylor will be so angry he will drop the entire side for not following his directions ??

Did Taylor arrange for Souths to play like we have been? we dropped the baby stuff tonight and most of the team had a go for a change. And it worked.
If we had of played like we have been doing . You would have been saying give TAylor till the rest of the season to see his great vision. But because we won. Everything is great

Just remember guys, we played like this in the first few games and then fell into a hole where we played like Souths tonight. I'll be happy to give Taylor credit when we can play like this for a few weeks , not after one game

Why not - you rip into him after each individual game!

Maybe he should get a credit after an individual game!

and maybe the team got sick and tired of his crap game plan, keep up the crowing , let's hope it's not back to Taylor ball next week.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Best thing Taylor has done all year was target Reynolds, Walker and Johnson.

We put our best big and powerful guys on them and they came up short, short in stature and short in game.

Its a real issue for them going forward, they cant tackle those lads

Edit; Well not without Inglis in and around them.

Disagree - have you watched Inglis this season at full back, Out of position alot and then when not - couldn't tackle a wet paper bag.

Oh ok Taupau would run through Inglis like that, what a joke.

Did you even sleep last night, or just stay up looking for opportunities to play i told you so?

And as others have said Taylor mixed it up last night, it wasnt the same game plan that you have been defending.

 

[Snake]

Playing like an NRL prepared team once in 12 weeks some are easily pleased!

 

[Masterton]

Midfield bombs are designed to give our defenders time to get set while they're running up field. After ever bomb was kicked I noticed how quickly our defensive line was set and they all ran up field in one line together. Some were howling the kicks, I think it's a good ploy. I wonder how many other teams start adopting it.

I was initially baffled but I've warmed to the midfield bombs. Considering how much of an advantage the opposition gets from a 7 tackle 20m restart, it's a good ploy for field position. Of course, like any ploy it depends on how well it's excuted.

 

[happy_tiger]

Midfield bombs are designed to give our defenders time to get set while they're running up field. After ever bomb was kicked I noticed how quickly our defensive line was set and they all ran up field in one line together. Some were howling the kicks, I think it's a good ploy. I wonder how many other teams start adopting it.

I was initially baffled but I've warmed to the midfield bombs. Considering how much of an advantage the opposition gets from a 7 tackle 20m restart, it's a good ploy for field position. Of course, like any ploy it depends on how well it's excuted.

When they target the corners they are very effective Masterton

 

[Snake]

Midfield bombs are designed to give our defenders time to get set while they're running up field. After ever bomb was kicked I noticed how quickly our defensive line was set and they all ran up field in one line together. Some were howling the kicks, I think it's a good ploy. I wonder how many other teams start adopting it.

I was initially baffled but I've warmed to the midfield bombs. Considering how much of an advantage the opposition gets from a 7 tackle 20m restart, it's a good ploy for field position. Of course, like any ploy it depends on how well it's excuted.[/quote

I am not a huge fan of the mid bomb but a good ploy as the 7 tackle hurts big time and seen this in many games.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Same attacking structure my arse. Whilst we did improve it by changing it up a little against the Titans last week, albeit without a result, last night was an evolution again.

From the first and second sets you could see we were going forward in numbers and/or with support nearly every run. Taupau even offloaded in our second set, and of course our runners were also getting it a pass and occasionally more off the ruck in the opening twenty.

Hell, last week Taylor himself stated that he had/was making some changes to our middle attack so credit where it is due, but to pretend it was the same as that of last month, pffft.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Same attacking structure my arse. Whilst we did improve it by changing it up a little against the Titans last week, albeit without a result, last night was an evolution again.

From the first and second sets you could see we were going forward in numbers and/or with support nearly every run. Taupau even offloaded in our second set, and of course our runners were also getting it a pass and occasionally more off the ruck in the opening twenty.

Hell, last week Taylor himself stated that he had/was making some changes to our middle attack so credit where it is due, but to pretend it was the same as that of last month, pffft.

Well said.

Funny how those who were critical of the game plan can see whats changed, explain the areas that have changed and give the coach credit for a job well done.

All the Taylor lovers on the other hand are stubbornly refusing to admit anything.

 

[stevetiger]

Same attacking structure my arse. Whilst we did improve it by changing it up a little against the Titans last week, albeit without a result, last night was an evolution again.

From the first and second sets you could see we were going forward in numbers and/or with support nearly every run. Taupau even offloaded in our second set, and of course our runners were also getting it a pass and occasionally more off the ruck in the opening twenty.

Hell, last week Taylor himself stated that he had/was making some changes to our middle attack so credit where it is due, but to pretend it was the same as that of last month, pffft.

This is exactly what happened. There was a tonne of criticism rightly directed at Taylor for his terrible game plans. We should give him some credit for changing it around completely.

I find it hilarious the guys defending Taylor think they had it right. That game shows how wrong they have been.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I find it hilarious the guys defending Taylor think they had it right. That game shows how wrong they have been.

Absofriggenloutely!

 

[happy_tiger]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

 

[Tim Sheens]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

Come on Happy, you can dissect a game, and we have been different for the past two weeks, and that included the extra week at training with the bye following the cows game. My issue with Taylor has been him allowing, yes allowing us to get dominated by the one out running, and that is what he has changed.

Souths have very good line speed which is the basis of their defence and would have monstered us if we had played to last months concentrating on defence BS style one out attack. Everything else has come on the back of that, including the better placed kicks that you have been bemoaning the lack of. Even though the bunnies tried to place a lot of pressure on our kickers last night and still hit them on most occasions, it was too late as they both had more time and room to get a decent kick in

 

[razor7]

Having two decent centres helped a lot. We need to recruit a quality centre as well as these two get injured a bit. Milone and Hoeter do not qualify as depth.
We saw with Cherrington & Halatau what quick dummy half service can do . Robbie mostly takes 2 or 3 steps before passing which makes the hit up runner an easy target. He is too set in his ways to be mix that up a bit? He's a great player but i've long thought this stifles our attack.

 

[Telltails]

Same attacking structure my arse. Whilst we did improve it by changing it up a little against the Titans last week, albeit without a result, last night was an evolution again.

From the first and second sets you could see we were going forward in numbers and/or with support nearly every run. Taupau even offloaded in our second set, and of course our runners were also getting it a pass and occasionally more off the ruck in the opening twenty.

Hell, last week Taylor himself stated that he had/was making some changes to our middle attack so credit where it is due, but to pretend it was the same as that of last month, pffft.

Well said.

Funny how those who were critical of the game plan can see whats changed, explain the areas that have changed and give the coach credit for a job well done.

All the Taylor lovers on the other hand are stubbornly refusing to admit anything.

I dont think many of us are Taylor lovers. Speaking for myself only, - given what he has walked into, the roster he has got to work with, and and the youth who are still physically adjusting to first grade, my expectations of ANY coach were always that it would take time. The line speed and intensity from the forwards last week was terrible, and we were absolutely crucified by lack of speed out wide. If you dont think that having Simona and Nofa on the field last night was significant in a better teams performance, and the 'plodders" who have been bagged every week -( Lodge, Lovett, Ava) - best games all year - all contributed to that win. Biggest factor was that the players maintained it for eighty minutes unlike the Canberra and Bulldogs games - we have those two extra wins and this team under Taylor would be performing well beyond my expectations.

 

[stevetiger]

My issue with Taylor has been him allowing, yes allowing us to get dominated by the one out running, and that is what he has changed.

Its been honestly the worst coaching I have ever seen. Our team is not that bad. The game plans have been terrible.

Its been this dumbed down Taylor ball that has exposed our defence. It makes it too easy for the opposition when we have the ball and then they can just go at us.

Having two decent centres helped a lot. We need to recruit a quality centre as well as these two get injured a bit. Milone and Hoeter do not qualify as depth.
We saw with Cherrington & Halatau what quick dummy half service can do . Robbie mostly takes 2 or 3 steps before passing which makes the hit up runner an easy target. He is too set in his ways to be mix that up a bit? He's a great player but i've long thought this stifles our attack.

These are some really important points. The lack of speed out wide within our team has been killing us. It makes it really hard to attack and score points and to defend when the other team has some speedsters.

Robbie is a great player but I think we need more spark in that position for at least part of the game. We probably need some better service as well. I think he can do that but I'd be inclined to keep Cherrington in the team and give him some time every game to really attack.

 

[stevetiger]

I dont think many of us are Taylor lovers. Speaking for myself only, - given what he has walked into, the roster he has got to work with, and and the youth who are still physically adjusting to first grade, my expectations of ANY coach were always that it would take time. The line speed and intensity from the forwards last week was terrible, and we were absolutely crucified by lack of speed out wide. If you dont think that having Simona and Nofa on the field last night was significant in a better teams performance, and the 'plodders" who have been bagged every week -( Lodge, Lovett, Ava) - best games all year - all contributed to that win. Biggest factor was that the players maintained it for eighty minutes unlike the Canberra and Bulldogs games - we have those two extra wins and this team under Taylor would be performing well beyond my expectations.

I think that Taylor ball caused some of our players to look worse than what they are. I don't think our team is that bad. Its our depth especially in the outside backs. It was the same last year as well when Bodene and Patterson were played out wide. You just can't do this and expect to perform at a reasonable level in this comp.

Simona and Nofo though make a huge difference in the team. All of a sudden you have players that can bust the line.