Quickest backflip??

[Mccarry]

The observations from the channel nine team were cutting last night.

8/10 teams to win the comp in the last decade have had in the top 2- 4 (?) defensive records in the comp.

In the past we would be okay'ish loosing 30-28\. In the defensive reality of our comp that is a terrible terrible result.

When we loose 8-0 we are all ready to chuck our towels in and sack the coach.

I put it to you all to dispute: perhaps it's better to lose 8-0 than win 32-30\. Funnily the loss suggests we are a better chance to win the comp than the win.

Perhaps this is Taylor's point?

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[happy_tiger]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

Come on Happy, you can dissect a game, and we have been different for the past two weeks, and that included the extra week at training with the bye following the cows game. My issue with Taylor has been him allowing, yes allowing us to get dominated by the one out running, and that is what he has changed.

Souths have very good line speed which is the basis of their defence and would have monstered us if we had played to last months concentrating on defence BS style one out attack. Everything else has come on the back of that, including the better placed kicks that you have been bemoaning the lack of. Even though the bunnies tried to place a lot of pressure on our kickers last night and still hit them on most occasions, it was too late as they both had more time and room to get a decent kick in

I still maintain the biggest difference was having some centres that would ask questions of the opposition

This did two things FG

Took pressure off Tedesco to try and create everytime he got the ball and added variety to our backline

Not let Souths try and monster us in the middle as you mentioned , they quickly learnt when we spread the ball we had some potency in attack

 

[Russell]

So let me get this right in my own head for a second

So when we play well its the players ??

When we play bad its the coach and his tactics ??

I'm guessing that following that logic Taylor will be so angry he will drop the entire side for not following his directions ??

Did Taylor arrange for Souths to play like we have been? we dropped the baby stuff tonight and most of the team had a go for a change. And it worked.
If we had of played like we have been doing . You would have been saying give TAylor till the rest of the season to see his great vision. But because we won. Everything is great

Just remember guys, we played like this in the first few games and then fell into a hole where we played like Souths tonight. I'll be happy to give Taylor credit when we can play like this for a few weeks , not after one game

Why not - you rip into him after each individual game!

Maybe he should get a credit after an individual game!

and maybe the team got sick and tired of his crap game plan, keep up the crowing , let's hope it's not back to Taylor ball next week.

And why shouldn't I crow after the best win of the season - we all should be.

I have to take the barbs week in and week out when we lose because of "Taylorball" but when we win it isn't "Taylorball" - yeah right!

It was and everyone bought into it and it worked the way it was designed to work.
You're moving the goalposts - they didn't get sick and tired of it.

Nothing worse than someone that will not admit to being wrong. Whinge when we lose not when we win - you'll have plenty of more opportunities to put the boot into JT.

Next week who knows - but at least we know it does work.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaa! TIGER!!!!!!!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Russell, I'm happy to admit I was wrong (Very happy in fact,as it would mean we may be headed for very much improved results)when I've been proved wrong and that won't happen because of one good game.
just as all you JT supporters , who kept wanting the whole year to give Taylor the chance to prove he was right, I'll reserve any admission to a time when we have put together Enough good games to show a definite increase in the form of the team. Even Sheens at his worst , was able to get this club up for one or two good performances , before having them disintegrated again.
Through the last week Taylor was telling us not to expect much in the short term and it was going to take the long term to see much difference. Then last night AFTER the game he was saying that He knew that it was not far off .
It would seem that Taylor was more surprised than anyone at the improvement.

While it was the best overall game that I've seen them play since the game against Souths last year, I think even you Russell would admit that the Souths team last night was only a shadow of the Souths team last year, and were as bad as we have been .
But a wins a win, and Souths may have played some of our guys into some form

Just for your info Russ I would be happy to see us win any game we play in, but I'm not going into meltdown over one win no matter who it was over, we'll find out if this was a flash in the pan or nor when we play teams like the Broncos and the Roosters and if we can put up any sort of decent game against the I'll gladly admit that Taylor may have some merit.
As I said enjoy the win , buts let's not get into the usual euphoria over one good result

 

[Russell]

Russell, I'm happy to admit I was wrong (Very happy in fact,as it would mean we may be headed for very much improved results)when I've been proved wrong and that won't happen because of one good game.
just as all you JT supporters , who kept wanting the whole year to give Taylor the chance to prove he was right, I'll reserve any admission to a time when we have put together Enough good games to show a definite increase in the form of the team. Even Sheens at his worst , was able to get this club up for one or two good performances , before having them disintegrated again.
Through the last week Taylor was telling us not to expect much in the short term and it was going to take the long term to see much difference. Then last night AFTER the game he was saying that He knew that it was not far off .
It would seem that Taylor was more surprised than anyone at the improvement.

While it was the best overall game that I've seen them play since the game against Souths last year, I think even you Russell would admit that the Souths team last night was only a shadow of the Souths team last year, and were as bad as we have been .
But a wins a win, and Souths may have played some of our guys into some form

Just for your info Russ I would be happy to see us win any game we play in, but I'm not going into meltdown over one win no matter who it was over, we'll find out if this was a flash in the pan or nor when we play teams like the Broncos and the Roosters and if we can put up any sort of decent game against the I'll gladly admit that Taylor may have some merit.
As I said enjoy the win , buts let's not get into the usual euphoria over one good result

Well I'm not either - but I will enjoy it for what it was.

For a start I don't think Souffs were down and I don't care if they were. You can only play the team that is in front of you - that team last night was the premiers. They were minus Inglis and Luke. We were minus Farah and Woods. All even.

We have said all along it will take time to overcome the experience these young guys don't have. That will only happen by playing games. Maybe they will win next week and maybe they won't. Rocks and diamonds and other tags but they are learning and the main thing next week is they turn up to play.

I'm glad you are happy GT that they won - I would not have thought otherwise. We all want the same thing - for the Tigers to go well, play good entertaining football so that we all can enjoy the games after so long being down. Everyone has different ideas on how to achieve that - I and a lot of others on this Forum think one way - you and a number of others think another - be that as it may. We all want the same thing and I am sure whichever way we go and if it becomes successful - we will all be riding high.

Let us hope we have turned a corner but it will still be slowly, slowly.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The observations from the channel nine team were cutting last night.

8/10 teams to win the comp in the last decade have had in the top 2- 4 (?) defensive records in the comp.

In the past we would be okay'ish loosing 30-28\. In the defensive reality of our comp that is a terrible terrible result.

When we loose 8-0 we are all ready to chuck our towels in and sack the coach.

I put it to you all to dispute: perhaps it's better to lose 8-0 than win 32-30\. Funnily the loss suggests we are a better chance to win the comp than the win.

Perhaps this is Taylor's point?
Another way to look at it is if we win all our games by 1 point, we win the Comp!

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[stryker]

Last night WAS NOT Taylorball. It was an evolved version of how we played at the season's start. I don't agree that our forwards got on top of theirs either. I think they had a red hot go though and for the most part held their own.

The reason we won was because our halves had properly viable options outside of them in Tim and Dave. We put bodies in motion and had South's backs continually guessing. This allowed Teddy more room to move. I believe Taylor tweeked his approach and for that I give him credit.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Last night WAS NOT Taylorball. It was an evolved version of how we played at the season's start. I don't agree that our forwards got on top of theirs either. I think they had a red hot go though and for the most part held their own.

The reason we won was because our halves had properly viable options outside of them in Tim and Dave. We put bodies in motion and had South's backs continually guessing. This allowed Teddy more room to move. I believe Taylor tweeked his approach and for that I give him credit.

No doubt the game plan was tweaked we did do things we did have some similar style of play at times but there were tweaks made.

The biggest difference for me was the aggression from the forward pack, Cherrington's quick release disposals and small probes before out the back passes, the options on the edge, the lines the forwards ran and bodies in motion, our bench had a big dig, whilst I also thought the bombs where not to the corners as much but more in the 3/4 to middle section of the ground and deeper.

There was a period that I thought we ran out of puff and the Souths forwards clearly dominated us but we held our own, I loved how we got 2 penalties in a row and instead of going for 2 we backed ourseleves and broke them.

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[innsaneink]

Aagree with happy and Stryker.
The centre's helped us big time. ..speed out wide…but the 20m zone bombs also helped and worked well last night...it's a defense tactic....Instead of giving away seven tackle sets and having tackle two on halfway. ..we are defending good field position and preventing an opposition 5th tackle attacking kick...and possibly forcing us into a goal line drop out for a repeat defense set...These kill us.
The bombs.last night saw south 5th tackle usually 40m out

 

[Knuckles]

The optimists can have a turn this week ….. All the doomsayers can have a rest :sign:

 

[Tim Sheens]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

Come on Happy, you can dissect a game, and we have been different for the past two weeks, and that included the extra week at training with the bye following the cows game. My issue with Taylor has been him allowing, yes allowing us to get dominated by the one out running, and that is what he has changed.

Souths have very good line speed which is the basis of their defence and would have monstered us if we had played to last months concentrating on defence BS style one out attack. Everything else has come on the back of that, including the better placed kicks that you have been bemoaning the lack of. Even though the bunnies tried to place a lot of pressure on our kickers last night and still hit them on most occasions, it was too late as they both had more time and room to get a decent kick in

I still maintain the biggest difference was having some centres that would ask questions of the opposition

This did two things FG

Took pressure off Tedesco to try and create everytime he got the ball and added variety to our backline

Not let Souths try and monster us in the middle as you mentioned , they quickly learnt when we spread the ball we had some potency in attack

I don't discount that having strike in the centres had some impact, but this thread is about a supposed backflip by anyone that has questioned the coach and his tactics, which were obviously altered. Simply though, to say anything other than forward progress and its quick play the balls such as Keefys that opened things up for our first try was not the most important factor in the game is not sensible. Not that you stated that.

 

[stryker]

This is a very stupid and petty thread. It is also incorrect. Those upset with Taylor have not been proven wrong and those supporting him have not been vindicated.

We got the win and looked good doing so. Manly next week…

 

[jirskyr]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

I totally agree happy, I don't know how people can be saying "glad JT finally decided to change his game plan this week".

The only game plan change I saw involved change of player positions. Having two dynamic centres instead of two novices gave strike out wide, and Taupau was moved into Sironen's position running wide on the left. In fact I think Taupau really dominated because he was a little further wide, and I would not be moving him from that position even when Siro comes back. Rowdy runs really good lines

Souths wasted a lot of opportunities, epitomised by the G Burgess knock-on in the first half. They made plenty of line breaks and had sets in our 20, but their kicking options were off and they ran sideways too much. It also makes a huge difference not having to defend against Inglis chiming into the backline.

Our ball control was vastly improved until the tail end of the game, and we dominated the ruck in defence for once. They were the primary differences. Souths missed costly tackles, which helped out momentum.

But I still saw 20 bombs go up, and there was plenty of one-out running, except that we were making better yards this week, partly because Nofo/Simona are much better for hit-ups than Milone/Hoeter. KG and Ava also had really solid games, with good carries.

This week Moses managed to throw just one or two bad passes out the back, Rowdy only dropped one, Brooks only put one into touch on the full and the backline only made one really bad missed tackle on our line. Marty Taupau tried really hard to botch up at least one PTB, but he was having such a good game otherwise, the ref didn't notice.

So the idea that we run out Game Plan A against Titans last week, then sub it for a totally transformed Game Plan Z the week after, especially after Taylor has come out several times recently and talked sticking to our structures… that all the players were given different tasks week... madness!

 

[Telltails]

And the people who think Taylor just pulled this all from his ass in one week with many blokes with less than 50 games experience are just deluding themselves

This has been a work in progress very obviously and the players have been slowly building their confidence to try that

As I have maintained the attack was always there , it wasn't an issue

Its still the defence that remains an issue

We dodged many bullets last night with our scramble defence and Souths refusal to move the ball around and taking their chances

I totally agree happy, I don't know how people can be saying "glad JT finally decided to change his game plan this week".

The only game plan change I saw involved change of player positions. Having two dynamic centres instead of two novices gave strike out wide, and Taupau was moved into Sironen's position running wide on the left. In fact I think Taupau really dominated because he was a little further wide, and I would not be moving him from that position even when Siro comes back. Rowdy runs really good lines

Souths wasted a lot of opportunities, epitomised by the G Burgess knock-on in the first half. They made plenty of line breaks and had sets in our 20, but their kicking options were off and they ran sideways too much. It also makes a huge difference not having to defend against Inglis chiming into the backline.

Our ball control was vastly improved until the tail end of the game, and we dominated the ruck in defence for once. They were the primary differences. Souths missed costly tackles, which helped out momentum.

But I still saw 20 bombs go up, and there was plenty of one-out running, except that we were making better yards this week, partly because Nofo/Simona are much better for hit-ups than Milone/Hoeter. KG and Ava also had really solid games, with good carries.

This week Moses managed to throw just one or two bad passes out the back, Rowdy only dropped one, Brooks only put one into touch on the full and the backline only made one really bad missed tackle on our line. Marty Taupau tried really hard to botch up at least one PTB, but he was having such a good game otherwise, the ref didn't notice.

So the idea that we run out Game Plan A against Titans last week, then sub it for a totally transformed Game Plan Z the week after, especially after Taylor has come out several times recently and talked sticking to our structures… that all the players were given different tasks week... madness!

And we were on the right end of the penalty count - which the Souths supporters around us were none too happy about.

 

[stryker]

Jirskyr, Clearly he didn't change the game plan. He adjusted it. Yes we had one out hit ups but now our runners have support. This subtle variation puts the defence in two minds.

You guys are starting to sound like him…
Before the game = Everyone needs to show patience, this won't happen quickly.
After the game = Told you we weren't far away...LOL!

We are giving him credit, you guys are trying to rub people's noses in it. That is madness.

 

[greatodensraven]

Midfield bombs are designed to give our defenders time to get set while they're running up field. After ever bomb was kicked I noticed how quickly our defensive line was set and they all ran up field in one line together. Some were howling the kicks, I think it's a good ploy. I wonder how many other teams start adopting it.

I was initially baffled but I've warmed to the midfield bombs. Considering how much of an advantage the opposition gets from a 7 tackle 20m restart, it's a good ploy for field position. Of course, like any ploy it depends on how well it's excuted.

When they target the corners they are very effective Masterton

That & a good chase. The boys showed a lot of intensity fri night, hope we keep it up.

 

[happy_tiger]

Jirskyr, Clearly he didn't change the game plan. He adjusted it. Yes we had one out hit ups but now our runners have support. This subtle variation puts the defence in two minds.

You guys are starting to sound like him…
Before the game = Everyone needs to show patience, this won't happen quickly.
After the game = Told you we weren't far away...LOL!

We are giving him credit, you guys are trying to rub people's noses in it. That is madness.

Not trying to rub anyone's noses in it Stryker

I was just annoyed when some started with the "win and its the players and lose and its the coaches fault comments "

I understand we will have our good days and our bad days still but I believe we will get gradually better

Helped we had our two best centres playing , most certainly and I said that earlier in the week

I thought our defence was still fairly shabby but thought we scrambled well and our slide defence looked better (but wasn't overly tested )

I

 

[innsaneink]

The optimists can have a turn this week ….. All the doomsayers can have a rest :sign:

At least with those that call it crap when it's crap. ..and applaud them when they deserve applause….you know what you get...they face the facts ..no room for BS here.....

 

[TrueTiger]

Jirskyr, Clearly he didn't change the game plan. He adjusted it. Yes we had one out hit ups but now our runners have support. This subtle variation puts the defence in two minds.

You guys are starting to sound like him…
Before the game = Everyone needs to show patience, this won't happen quickly.
After the game = Told you we weren't far away...LOL!

We are giving him credit, you guys are trying to rub people's noses in it. That is madness.

Not trying to rub anyone's noses in it Stryker

I was just annoyed when some started with the "win and its the players and lose and its the coaches fault comments "

I understand we will have our good days and our bad days still but I believe we will get gradually better

Helped we had our two best centres playing , most certainly and I said that earlier in the week

I thought our defence was still fairly shabby but thought we scrambled well and our slide defence looked better (but wasn't overly tested )

I

Hap,the same structure was there on Friday night,you could clearly see it,as many have said including myself,it makes a big difference having Simona and Noofa in the centres…they played very well and deserved the win..I think in my opinion the halves had opportunities to create some attack especially with Marty out wide and it really stood out that this teams attacking potential is still there,however they are sticking solid to the defensive structure and didn't over play their hand..it will take time to fully adapt to JTs plans,however the fri game showed what can happen in both attack and DEFENSE when things go your way..full credit to the team and especially JT,at least one thing I will say in favour of JT,he hasn't once knocked the players for the poor performances,but rather praised them for sticking to the learning process of this structure and any criticism he has accepted wholly himself and has stuck by saying it is his structure and they must learn it,completely honest...well done to him and I hope the wins keep coming.......

 

[stevetiger]

The optimists can have a turn this week ….. All the doomsayers can have a rest :sign:

At least with those that call it crap when it's crap. ..and applaud them when they deserve applause….you know what you get...they face the facts ..no room for BS here.....

Completely agree. I'm really struggling to understand some of the comments on here. Is it acceptable to play terrible footy ? Is it better to make a change to a terrible game plan ? Was the game against Souths a much better performance ?

Stop the spin.