Re-Branding of Leagues Clubs SMH

@happy tiger said:
Gee CB you are giving the dictionary a working over today

( well I am ,looking up some of these words ,and some of the examples)

Might need it again (I did):

_Salary cap commissioner Ian Schubert - whose role has recently been emasculated - is all who stands between the ARLC and another **anachronistic** decision, such as rebadging the Wests Leagues clubs at Ashfield and Campbelltown with the Wests Tigers logo. ARLC chief executive Dave Smith is a genuine and highly capable leader but the code has some major decisions ahead and a knowledge of history will be helpful._

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/end-of-the-line-for-brady-and-one-step-closer-to-the-end-of-an-era-20131011-2vdyd.html#ixzz2iKAXDkD1
 
@Knuckles said:
@magpiecol said:
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@Basil Tiger said:
Yeah,Homebush is central for most players,also there is a strong "West Harbour" type mentality prevalent in both sides of the JV that i think the RLC will try to diminish as they try to establish a greater Western Sydney based Team.

Agreed but for training its homebush and for nsw cup Id play it at leichhardt and maybe some at pratten park.I would do a 6/6 first grade game split with campbelltown and homebush.Also to entice a stadium upgrade we could entice the Western Sydney wanderers to play 5 or 6 home games there a year.This would also help our bigger more attractive campbelltown leagues club.

The NSW Cup will be playing before the first grade game next season.

What a huge step backwards that would be.

Would have thought that this is how it should be, after all NSW Cup is the next step down from NRL. NYC is below NSW Cup. Sure it is great to see the emerging talent in the NYC games but the standard of football, mainly the defence, is light years away from NRL standard.
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtfl1981 said:
Campbelltown has ZERO magpie or WT branding

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Shouldnt that change to a tiger or a magpie a least(like it was before)seems stupid to me.

At 4 games a year. Campbelltown have no interest in a branding link to WT or Wests Magpies. They sponsor the JL and thats it. Games or now former part ownership of WT meant very little.

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Linking game days to leagues club branding was brought up to identify the link between game day attendance and club patronage… 3 grade and dinner at club after or 2 curtain raisers and get on the drink at the club before hand.. And who can forget post match functions at the club.. They seem like a forgotten tradition these days.

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@wtfl1981 said:
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtfl1981 said:
Campbelltown has ZERO magpie or WT branding

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Shouldnt that change to a tiger or a magpie a least(like it was before)seems stupid to me.

At 4 games a year. Campbelltown have no interest in a branding link to WT or Wests Magpies. They sponsor the JL and thats it. Games or now former part ownership of WT meant very little.
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I do believe that they owe wests magpies something as they made that club however I would say that if campbelltown could get six games and homebush six well then a wests tigers leagues club would be fairer for all.Also I continue to maintain Balmain should stop the two joke pubs they have at five dock and flemington markets and give those and other poker machine licences to ashfield and campbelltown.Its not that hard for clubs to merge and for the new superclub to get those machines it happens all the time.
 
If people cannot see the big display of the Weststigers grand final win and other stuff on the right hand side of the entrance to the club, then they are blind.
 
@magpiecol said:
If people cannot see the big display of the Weststigers grand final win and other stuff on the right hand side of the entrance to the club, then they are blind.

To be honest its been a long while since Ive been to a campbelltown game.I have a Leicchardt and sfs now homebush membership as I live in the city.I acknowledge that I think its time campbelltwon sees more games than LEICCHARDT.CAPS.However I honestly believe that Homebush or even closer to the city should remain our training homebase as a campbelltown based club would do two things hurt severely with recruitment.And Just as importantly as we get all these talented wests juniors out of the campbelltown area I am a firm believer that they need to get out of the area they grow up in to grow as men.Ive seen it with Penrith for 30 years that so much talent in the area with juniors but they seem to struggle with consistency and the ability to do it week in week out.The western suburbs(area) mentality too much seems to be they would rise up and beat the manlys of the world only then to follow it up with 3 stinkers.I want a manly type mentality to this club.Where every week they turn up to play to win.
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@happy tiger said:
Gee CB you are giving the dictionary a working over today

( well I am ,looking up some of these words ,and some of the examples)

Might need it again (I did):

_Salary cap commissioner Ian Schubert - whose role has recently been emasculated - is all who stands between the ARLC and another **anachronistic** decision, such as rebadging the Wests Leagues clubs at Ashfield and Campbelltown with the Wests Tigers logo. ARLC chief executive Dave Smith is a genuine and highly capable leader but the code has some major decisions ahead and a knowledge of history will be helpful._

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/end-of-the-line-for-brady-and-one-step-closer-to-the-end-of-an-era-20131011-2vdyd.html#ixzz2iKAXDkD1

Not sure I see the relevance ….. Whether we like it or not the Magpie and Balmain are both redundant ... They just don't represent anymore. Fans who say they have fully moved on need to do just that.
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
I do believe that they owe wests magpies something as they made that club however I would say that if campbelltown could get six games and homebush six well then a wests tigers leagues club would be fairer for all.Also I continue to maintain Balmain should stop the two joke pubs they have at five dock and flemington markets and give those and other poker machine licences to ashfield and campbelltown.Its not that hard for clubs to merge and for the new superclub to get those machines it happens all the time.

The problem with 'merging' the leagues clubs is that Balmain Leagues currently has a Net $6m debt.

So basically, good luck getting Wests Ashfield/Campo members to vote in favour of taking on board a $6m debt in return for a couple more pokies licences.

For the record, I would like to see everything become Wests Tigers, from Football Clubs to Leagues Clubs, to everything. But for that to happen we will need a lot of water to pass under the bridge, and a viable financial model put in place for both sets of members to vote on.

I can see it happening one day, but not in the near future.
 
@wtfl1981 said:
The Magpies' two leagues clubs at Ashfield and Campbelltown would be renamed ''Wests Tigers'' if an NRL proposal was accepted, ranking it among the worst rebranding ideas ever to come from the headquarters of a corporation, akin to Coca-Cola's decision to launch ''New Coke''.

The NRL sought to rebadge the licensed clubs controlled by Wests and Balmain with the Wests Tigers logo during talks to settle the dispute between the co-owners of the NRL club. Wests' palace at Ashfield, whose foyer has giant portraits of the Magpies' rugby league and cricket teams of the century, would have had the magpie on its roof replaced by the tiger which has been caged since Balmain's Victoria Road club closed with debts of $7 million.

Ditto, Wests Leagues' booming premises at Campbelltown, while Balmain's two small operations at Flemington Markets and Five Dock would have had ''Wests'' added to their doors. Not only does the proposal of the NRL - aged only 15 - ignore the 105-year history of both Wests and Balmain, it is oblivious to the cause of the tension between the foundation clubs. Wests Tigers has lost a generation of Magpie fans because the NRL's own literature refers to it as the Tigers; some call it ''Balmain'' and its players are seemingly always dressed in orange. Renaming Wests Ashfield's premises - built on the deeds of Keith Holman, Arthur Summons, Noel Kelly and Tom Raudonikis

- Wests Tigers would have reinforced that perception. It's also presumptive to suggest Wests Campbelltown would welcome the tiger. It held one of Wests' five votes in the joint venture but surrendered it this year over frustration at time taken in board meetings ending in stalemates. Basically, Wests sought control via a 6-4 vote and the chairman's position, in exchange for funding that would settle debt and allow it to grow its Campbelltown fan and player base. Balmain refused. Hence the ARL Commission proposal to lend the joint venture $8 million (repayable) for Wests and Balmain each having two votes on a new seven-man board with three independent directors.

Hopefully, the ARLC's role in the choice of the three independents will not be as blind to history as its proposal to rebrand the licensed clubs. No one at the ARLC is owning up to the idea, except to say it didn't come from chief executive Dave Smith. Wests won't contribute money from their leagues club to the joint venture, simply because partners Balmain cannot.

It means a $17 million redevelopment at Ashfield will proceed, with the Magpies focused on bricks and mortar, rather than football. The $8 million loan will add to the pressure on the ARLC to meet its aim of setting aside $50million per year for a future fund. This year's $50 million has already been reduced to $38 million as a result of wrong budgetary forecasts, increased grants to NRL clubs, Cronulla's legal expenses over the supplements scandal and the establishment of an integrity unit.

The ARLC's determination to restore its $50million target has caused the NSWRL and QRL to be excluded from budget meetings and had their anticipated share of the $250million-a-year TV windfall slashed to a 3 per cent increase on last year's funding. This has resulted in a letter from the NSWRL's new chief executive, David Trodden, to Smith, protesting his league is being marginalised and treated as a business unit within the ARLC, rather than an ''organisation with broad-based (and independent) responsibilities for organisation of the game within our state''. Smith has basically told the state leagues to divorce themselves from community activities, claiming these are the responsibilities of the ARLC.

Trodden says in his letter that a review by former Queensland treasurer Andrew Fraser made no mention ''that 'community' or 'development' were areas for which we had no responsibility''. Fraser also reviewed Wests Tigers' corporate structure, yet directors admitted to being ''pissed off'' that his report paid scant attention to the imbalance between the joint venture partners over their ability to provide investment funds. The ARLC plans a review of its competition structure at the end of next season, causing speculation the Sharks may be relocated to Queensland. It won't happen, not with $45 million of revenue guaranteed over the next five years from the Sharks' residential and commercial development.

The commission should pay less attention to geography and more to history.

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The club is in good hands with the new CEO Grant Mayer and the internal structure he has in place at executive level. History will always be there and the Wests Tigers brand needs to be let free to run, not restrained by egos and red tape….... Stay tuned for some big years ahead on the field!!!

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I dont think Mayer has much to do with re-branding the Leagues clubs. His role is to manage the day to day activities of the club as it is. Issues such as rebranding are decided at a board level (who Mayer reports to).

If the club is rebranded I think its a myth to suggest all the history goes out the window. The Wests Tigers will always be built on the culture of the two traditional clubs and those values will continue to live on in the new team.

The point about replacing the Magpie with a Tiger on the top of Ashfield Leagues club ….. for me as long as it says Wests Tigers Leagues club i will be happy. At least its something all fans can identify with not just those who were involved (like me) with the Magpies prior to year 2000.
 
Maybe we should just create our own history and leave others well enough alone who dont want THEIR history buggered around with….the arrogance to suggest someone move in and say we are changing YOUR club, like it or lump it.
 
@innsaneink said:
@magpiecol said:
The NSW Cup will be playing before the first grade game next season.

Has this been confirmed anywhere?

I know its been talked about but is it set in stone?

Pretty much. And I think there will be no longer an under 20 comp, with the age moving to 21 or 22.
 

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