Referendum 2023

[hugh1954]

It's not the same as ATSIC, which was funded to enact their ideas, not just recommend them.

My problem is that it's pointless. All the govt need to do is fund an advisory group. The committee could do everything that Voice advocates claim the Voice will do.

The only difference is that a future Coalition govt might prefer a different approach and could disband the committee. So this referendum is about Labor controlling the future actions of the Liberal Party - and Albo wondered why he couldn't get bipartisan support. For that reason alone, the Voice was already dead at birth,

Create a committee and make sure that the funding goes into helping struggling remote communities and not the city elites. And not just carelessly throw the money at those communities. That's where good advice would be helpful - how to fund assistance programs that actually do something useful, rather than flushing dollars down the toilet.

Given that billions have been spent each year on Aboriginal affairs, and advocates claim that nothing has changed, then there should be an inquiry into the waste of massive amounts of public funds. Then again, Yes advocates could be playing games. I expect there have been success stories in some communities that are not being told so that that invaluable victim status can keep the bucks rolling in.

Who is getting all those billions spent on Aboriginal affairs for decades??

You really don't think the elite would get red dust on the high heels and spend any time out where the real issues are let alone to have the balls to do anything. Albo is like Biden refuses to visit the over run border and see the catastrophe. ALBO DID FIFO Between the tennis wasn't it

 

[Tucker]

So an agency of "1000" non Aboriginals and "300" Aboriginals that can speak too:
The Prime minister.
The minister of Indigenous affairs.

That's not represenatative. That just means there are "300" random Aboriginals around.
Someone says what the Government doesn't like, FIRED!
Someone speaks a hard truth in Canberra, FIRED!

When you get people in Canberra, on good 6 figure salaries. They say exactly what the government want to hear, to keep those 6 figure salaries.

The Voice is about getting those hard truths spoken in Canberra.

You’ll believe anything.

 

[hank37w]

Politicians, I don't believe any of them.

 

[Tucker]

Yes there are and that's exactly what were talking about.

The problem in the NT was that a "Bottle'o" was allowed to be open 24/7. People would be drunk for days on end.

In NSW* a pub must close for 6 hours. I was working at a bar which got fined 5 million for not fixing it's license and having it's close period on it's license from 4am-10am instead of 6am-noon. The Pubs and Bottle'o close to stop multi day Benders.

The Aboriginal community took a vote and wanted the bottle'o to close during the night. The Ambulance workers wanted the pub to close. Everyone wanted the pub to close bar the Publican who brought off the Territory MP's.

The voice is about taking real stories from the bush and ensuring that they get heard in Canberra. One massive step in the right direction.

*NFI for the other states, except WA where the pubs were shut on Sundays and after 10pm. I highly recommend Joe Hildebrand "$h!ttesville express" (forum moderators, that is what the series is called). Which takes 2 lefties and 2 righties through wedge issues including Alcahol addiction.

Your story doesn’t hit as hard as you think it does.
You think it’s ok to forceably restrict the trade of these businesses because the local aboriginal population can’t control themselves? What about all the other people living in that town? Where is their voice?

 

[Telltails]

Power and corruption go hand in hand - history will show that with every race culture and gender - those who have it use it to their own advantage, and or do whatever it takes to retain it. Those that suffer the most in poverty remain the same unless they individually make decisions to take a different path, or have those around them - family/ role models - to set the standards.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

Your story doesn’t hit as hard as you think it does.
You think it’s ok to forceably restrict the trade of these businesses because the local aboriginal population can’t control themselves? What about all the other people living in that town? Where is their voice?

The minute that the Federal govt on the advice of The Voice overthrow a law of a democratically elected govt is the end of the federation and probably the Labor party.

 

[Winston Churchill]

I am not here to BS people. Unlike any of the Fox/Terrorgraph/Sky news silly media that lies, I won't do that. (hey the Colour Purple is banned in America by the Rabid right!)

A yes vote MAY improve the lives of Aboriginal people.
It will give them a "voice" to speak their concerns to the Government.

THAT IS ALL.

Yes, your parliamentarians may ignore them yet again! Every year there is another Black Deaths in Custody report and every year for 33 years those reports get ignored. https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-coll...ns/royal-commission-aboriginal-deaths-custody


What a "yes" means:
Aboriginal people will choose who represents them as a community by voting (not by party hacks or whoever has the ear of a politician today).
They will be able to be in Canberra and get their message heard on Committee's that make decisions that effect their lives.
Politicians making decisions on Aboriginal lives will hear from Aboriginal representatives elected by their communities.

That "May" improve their conditions. Or Politicians may ignore them again. What a Yes vote guarantees is that their representatives will be heard.

That's all.

Not going to lie, or simplify a complex issue. The voice means Canberra will get better advice and hear from genuine representatives of the Aboriginal community. It's a good step in the right direction, more steps are needed.

Would love to have a rational conversation as you appear to be one of the only ones not on the Labor payroll, Hi Earl. However your rhetoric is nothing short of unhinged yet not surprising for one voting YES.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Phil Coorey, the normally very much coalition media mouthpiece, summed up Warren Mundine at the press club and the no campaign message in general very well, with; "A sea of non sequiturs that they throw out all the time that people like us sit around and talk about, rather than what people are going to be voting for on the day, which is an advisory committee"

 

[Winston Churchill]

Phil Coorey, the normally very much coalition media mouthpiece, summed up Warren Mundine at the press club and the no campaign message in general very well, with; "A sea of non sequiturs that they throw out all the time that people like us sit around and talk about, rather than what people are going to be voting for on the day, which is an advisory committee"

"what people are going to be voting for on the day, which is an advisory committee"

Great, thats gonna make the people flood out to vote YES. An advisory committee, that'll do the job.

Wonder why they never thought of 'advisory committees' before?

Vote YES and then back to Instagram and patting myself on the back.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

Phil Coorey, the normally very much coalition media mouthpiece, summed up Warren Mundine at the press club and the no campaign message in general very well, with; "A sea of non sequiturs that they throw out all the time that people like us sit around and talk about, rather than what people are going to be voting for on the day, which is an advisory committee"

Weak people care what others say about an issue.

learn the facts. make a decision based on those facts. Vote.

 

[crazycat]

I don’t really know what the 300 Aboriginals do in the NIAA, but because they are over represented I suspect a lot more than you suggest. They’re not there to do the filing.

It's an Aboriginal Advisory board with 300 Aboriginals and 1000 non Aboriginals.

To put it in Rugby league terms, it would be a Wests Tigers Board of 3 Wests Tigers members and
10 St George* Members! Along with the mighty St George Rugby league club picking the 3 Wests Tigers members.

If it was your family life on the line. You would want it decided by people you trusted?

*it's sad when you actually have to hunt for a team who's members would make our board look worse.

 

[crazycat]

You really don't think the elite would get red dust on the high heels and spend any time out where the real issues are let alone to have the balls to do anything. Albo is like Biden refuses to visit the over run border and see the catastrophe. ALBO DID FIFO Between the tennis wasn't it

^ Is this guy Australian?

Our Overrun border? I guess you will be wondering why ALBO doesn't visit the TSA agents at the Australian Border? Lets stop forklifting American terms and stupidity here.

Meanwhile back to the voice. The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra. They will have to campaign where there is "red dust".

 

[Mistymuzzle]

^ Is this guy Australian?

Our Overrun border? I guess you will be wondering why ALBO doesn't visit the TSA agents at the Australian Border? Lets stop forklifting American terms and stupidity here.

Meanwhile back to the voice. The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra. They will have to campaign where there is "red dust".

The point of the Voice is to have "the people" answerable to the aboriginal population? I must have missed that on the pamphlet. Caveat emptor people.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

^ Is this guy Australian?

Our Overrun border? I guess you will be wondering why ALBO doesn't visit the TSA agents at the Australian Border? Lets stop forklifting American terms and stupidity here.

Meanwhile back to the voice. The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra. They will have to campaign where there is "red dust".

Are you trolling? This is extremist language.

The only person I answer to is my wife.

 

[twentyforty]

It's an Aboriginal Advisory board with 300 Aboriginals and 1000 non Aboriginals.

To put it in Rugby league terms, it would be a Wests Tigers Board of 3 Wests Tigers members and
10 St George* Members! Along with the mighty St George Rugby league club picking the 3 Wests Tigers members.

If it was your family life on the line. You would want it decided by people you trusted?

*it's sad when you actually have to hunt for a team who's members would make our board look worse.

The NIAA is not an advisory board. It’s a service agency which formulates and monitors policies and procedures concerning Aboriginals.
Interesting analogy you draw there, but there’s one significant difference. Everyone associated with Wests Tigers knows that our destiny is in our hands. Although some complain about being victims it’s not a view held by other clubs.
Anyhow, why does Australia need to pay such a high price for advice? Historically advice has been free, hasn’t it?

 

[crazycat]

The point of the Voice is to have "the people" answerable to the aboriginal population? I must have missed that on the pamphlet. Caveat emptor people.

That's how voting works Misty.

The voice means that Aboriginal representatives, the people who say "this is what's happening in Aboriginal communities" are answerable at election time. If they do a crap job, they get voted out.

At the moment, government "advisory" committees are often picked by the government to tell the government what it wants.

Using a Wests Tigers Analogy:

"yes": A member voted voice would raise a stack of issues and ways to improve our club.

"no": A WT board appointed advisor would say "Lee Hagipantelis, YOU DID GREAT in 2023!".

 

[Winston Churchill]

That's how voting works Misty.

The voice means that Aboriginal representatives, the people who say "this is what's happening in Aboriginal communities" are answerable at election time. If they do a crap job, they get voted out.

At the moment, government "advisory" committees are often picked by the government to tell the government what it wants.

Using a Wests Tigers Analogy:

"yes": A member voted voice would raise a stack of issues and ways to improve our club.

"no": A WT board appointed advisor would say "Lee Hagipantelis, YOU DID GREAT in 2023!".

At the moment, government "advisory" committees are often picked by the government to tell the government what it wants.

The naivety.

The voice will be totally different guys, just vote yes 🤣

 

[Winston Churchill]

^ Is this guy Australian?

Our Overrun border? I guess you will be wondering why ALBO doesn't visit the TSA agents at the Australian Border? Lets stop forklifting American terms and stupidity here.

Meanwhile back to the voice. The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra. They will have to campaign where there is "red dust".

The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra.

Well played sir, well played. You had many thinking you were a run of the mill dingbat lefty when you were playing the trolling game all along. I feel sorry though for the people you sucked in that were liking your posts, the egg on their faces now. Going forward everyone on this forum can safely ignore your posts.

 

[dazza65]

… “The whole point is to have people answerable to the Aboriginal population and not Canberra…”

game set match….No.

 

[Tucker]

That's how voting works Misty.

The voice means that Aboriginal representatives, the people who say "this is what's happening in Aboriginal communities" are answerable at election time. If they do a crap job, they get voted out.

At the moment, government "advisory" committees are often picked by the government to tell the government what it wants.

Using a Wests Tigers Analogy:

"yes": A member voted voice would raise a stack of issues and ways to improve our club.

"no": A WT board appointed advisor would say "Lee Hagipantelis, YOU DID GREAT in 2023!".

A better analogy;
Wests Tigers Coach says “I want to move on players w, x, y and z and replace them with players a, b, c, d and e”.
Board says “yes I trust this will work” and we get the spoon, with these deadwood players all locked in to very expensive 5 year contracts.
Board says “no, we need far more than just this” and we change our whole operation over the next few years and win the premiership.