Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[GNR4LIFE]

This is a bad strategy by Pascoe who i'd hoped was smarter than this.

At no point its crossed your mind that the stance Pascoe has taken is one that has been carefully thought out, and that this is indeed the right thing to do? Like i said, the ''smart'' thing for him to do in some people's eyes is to stand behind Farah and crucify the coach. You talk about us being dysfunctional, would you have said that if Pascoe came in and publicly outed the coach? Because that would be very dysfunctional, but i'm willing to bet a lot of people would consider it acceptable.

Imo, this ultimatum, for a lack of a better word is damning towards Farah. And its not like anyone can accuse Pascoe of having an agenda because he's only just walked into the place.

 

[Curaeus]

If Wests Tigers were a conventional corporate entity, ASIC investigators would have taken up permanent residence by now. Incredibly inept handling of the Farah affair which will more than likely end up in the courts with the club taking a sizeable legal bath. If the club carries through with its threat to play him in reggies all year irrespective of form, he will claim breach of contract and more than likely succeed in court. One thing to drop a guy for poor form. Quite another to threaten him with demotion in the hope of forcing him to walk away from his existing contractual right to not only play for WT for 2 more years but to be selected for first grade if his form so warrants!

 

[Geo]

Yet… When Bennett dropped Hodges for signing with the Rorters...the Lawers cheered...

Unless there is a clause in his contract that Farah must play FG if fit...then I doubt it would get very far in Court...Who are Judges to Judge that sort of thing...

 

[gallagher]

If Wests Tigers were a conventional corporate entity, ASIC investigators would have taken up permanent residence by now. Incredibly inept handling of the Farah affair which will more than likely end up in the courts with the club taking a sizeable legal bath. If the club carries through with its threat to play him in reggies all year irrespective of form, he will claim breach of contract and more than likely succeed in court. One thing to drop a guy for poor form. Quite another to threaten him with demotion in the hope of forcing him to walk away from his existing contractual right to not only play for WT for 2 more years but to be selected for first grade if his form so warrants!

Bobo lives on. Long live bobo

 

[Masterton]

I don't really see that much has changed at all.

Pascoe's first statement just said that Farah was welcome to leave, though of course the club would honour his contract if he stayed.

This just reinforces the first statement. He's welcome to leave. If he stays, he'll have his, "attitude and approach to pre-season training appraised." ie, If he behaves like a sook and refuses to listen to the coach, he'll be in reserve grade.

I'm not trying to bag Farah. I think he could be good for us next year. But if he isn't going to follow Taylor's directives, he may as well leave.

 

[gallagher]

I don't really see that much has changed at all.

Pascoe's first statement just said that Farah was welcome to leave, though of course the club would honour his contract if he stayed.

This just reinforces the first statement. He's welcome to leave. If he stays, he'll have his, "attitude and approach to pre-season training appraised." ie, If he behaves like a sook and refuses to listen to the coach, he'll be in reserve grade.

I'm not trying to bag Farah. I think he could be good for us next year. But if he isn't going to follow Taylor's directives, he may as well leave.

Yup. We've just upped the ante. Ayoub needs to do some work that involves more than just getting his media mates to write fluff pieces to win the pr battle.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The 'letter' is now an important peice of the game… It virtually back-tracks all the unprofessional handling of the matter up to this stage, and will now form part of the professional manner that is needed to be taken in which looks like Farah will be terminated.

The question tomorrow will be how did this information find its way into 3rd party hands once again? Technically, the disclosure of this information is also a breach of contract.

Who gets to deliver the next letter?

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

If Wests Tigers were a conventional corporate entity, ASIC investigators would have taken up permanent residence by now. Incredibly inept handling of the Farah affair which will more than likely end up in the courts with the club taking a sizeable legal bath. If the club carries through with its threat to play him in reggies all year irrespective of form, he will claim breach of contract and more than likely succeed in court. One thing to drop a guy for poor form. Quite another to threaten him with demotion in the hope of forcing him to walk away from his existing contractual right to not only play for WT for 2 more years but to be selected for first grade if his form so warrants!

He is just a staff member that has been asked to leave by management and backed by the board. Can't see how ASIC would be involved in such a situation. This is lawyers and unions territory….

 

[happy_tiger]

The 'letter' is now an important peice of the game… It virtually back-tracks all the unprofessional handling of the matter up to this stage, and will now form part of the professional manner that is needed to be taken in which looks like Farah will be terminated.

The question tomorrow will be how did this information find its way into 3rd party hands once again? Technically, the disclosure of this information is also a breach of contract.

Who gets to deliver the next letter?

You'd never be able to prove how the info got out Watto

Australia Post or a courier ?? :wink:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Three issues of note from that article.

Lack of procedural fairness

Farah's welfare and club's duty of care.

It's understood Levick found the reasons aired at the meeting by Taylor were based on hearsay and lacked corroboration.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The 'letter' is now an important peice of the game… It virtually back-tracks all the unprofessional handling of the matter up to this stage, and will now form part of the professional manner that is needed to be taken in which looks like Farah will be terminated.

The question tomorrow will be how did this information find its way into 3rd party hands once again? Technically, the disclosure of this information is also a breach of contract.

Who gets to deliver the next letter?

You'd never be able to prove how the info got out Watto

Australia Post or a courier ?? :wink:

You don't need to prove anything to issue another breach notice…

 

[boonboon]

Three issues of note from that article.

Lack of procedural fairness

Farah's welfare and club's duty of care.

It's understood Levick found the reasons aired at the meeting by Taylor were based on hearsay and lacked corroboration.

Probably tells one side of the story but I suppose when Ayoub leaks it to the media it prob will tell his side.

The supposed issues seem like more smoke screens from the Farah camp against a club that is for once this year being professionally run and Robbie is used to getting his own way and Sam is used to dodgy dealings

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

No Pascoe backed the club and then said Farah was free to negotiate or stay

At no stage did he back Taylor personally (which is my main issue ) , the club and Taylor are separate entities

And this hasn't played out yet …....

Don't get ahead of yourselves boys and girls , we will see come Round 1 2016

Maybe the club will come and out and say Robbie's been a good little boy ............

This could well be Pascoe's back out clause ..............

Maybe Happy. He did also say the team selection is down to Taylor. Distinctively distancing his comments from Farah playing the top grade.

Not sure why the Hanging Party is chuckling away about this letter.
All it is , is a reply to Farahs Lawyers request for reasons in writing that the club has taken the actions it had taken.
I find that it just demonstrates how unprofessional WT's still is , in that any player would not have been advised in writing of any reasons for them wanting to back out of his contract.
There is nothing new in this story except the club has given Robbie what he and his Manager has asked for.
Should have been done months ago.
Sounds like Pascoe is just getting around to running the club the way it already should have been running with the Muppetts who were already here.
Nothing's changed,
If If Robbie stays, he will play second grade if the noncoach doesn't pick him in firsts.
Back to the cornflakes guys.
No hanging here.

 

[coopy]

The club has opened Pandora"s box here. I think the club will find itself in breach of due process.

By issuing the letter POST the conversation with JT, Farah, Ayoub and Reddy and not informing Robbie that a letter was forthcoming they have look to have shot themselves in the foot.

Remember that Sam Ayoub as Robbies representative was informed sometime earlier that the club wanted to move Robbie on due to cap issues. At this point (publically anyway) ill-discipline was not mentioned. This was prior to the Taylor/Reddy/Farah/Ayoub meeting.

Rightly or wrongly, it could be seen that the club wanted Robbie gone due to cap issues, when he dug his heels in, the club looked to another route to exploit but had already played their hand. A case of constructive dismissal?

This will end up as Sheens 2.0 breach of contract with the added bonus of Robbie possibly suing for damages beyond the 2M for damage to his credibility - the media coverage won't be ignored.

If Robbie does go for damages, I wonder if that is counted in the

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I'm sure there is a plan…

A cunning plan ???? :laughing:

 

[Tigerdave]

regardless of who's right or wrong or if Robbie is a destabilizing influence or not….................this whole situation has been handled poorly, my concern is is the club actually going to look at this and make sure it doesn't happen again?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

This is a bad strategy by Pascoe who i'd hoped was smarter than this.

At no point its crossed your mind that the stance Pascoe has taken is one that has been carefully thought out, and that this is indeed the right thing to do? Like i said, the ''smart'' thing for him to do in some people's eyes is to stand behind Farah and crucify the coach. You talk about us being dysfunctional, would you have said that if Pascoe came in and publicly outed the coach? Because that would be very dysfunctional, but i'm willing to bet a lot of people would consider it acceptable.

Imo, this ultimatum, for a lack of a better word is damning towards Farah. And its not like anyone can accuse Pascoe of having an agenda because he's only just walked into the place.

Don't know why you think it's damming towards Farah, all it is is tidyingup the mess that he's been handed by this inept management and the noncoach.
It changes nothing about Robbie staying or leaving.
If anything, it just shows what a circus this has been,with the people who started this process . All this should have been laid out way before this, instead of people like Reddy and Taylor making stupid threats to the club Captain.
At least someone here is finally doing his job. Pity about the noncoach.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Three issues of note from that article.

Lack of procedural fairness

Farah's welfare and club's duty of care.

It's understood Levick found the reasons aired at the meeting by Taylor were based on hearsay and lacked corroboration.

Probably tells one side of the story but I suppose when Ayoub leaks it to the media it prob will tell his side.

The supposed issues seem like more smoke screens from the Farah camp against a club that is for once this year being professionally run and Robbie is used to getting his own way and Sam is used to dodgy dealings

No doubt Levick has this in hand and action will be pending should the farcical situation eventuate that a current SOO player trains with the NSW Cup team. This after the matter was first raised as a salary cap issue and finally when Farah refused to roll over as a discipline/culture/attitude concern.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I don't really see that much has changed at all.

Pascoe's first statement just said that Farah was welcome to leave, though of course the club would honour his contract if he stayed.

This just reinforces the first statement. He's welcome to leave. If he stays, he'll have his, "attitude and approach to pre-season training appraised." ie, If he behaves like a sook and refuses to listen to the coach, he'll be in reserve grade.

I'm not trying to bag Farah. I think he could be good for us next year. But if he isn't going to follow Taylor's directives, he may as well leave.

Yup. We've just upped the ante. Ayoub needs to do some work that involves more than just getting his media mates to write fluff pieces to win the pr battle.

They don't have to do anything.
Farah has a contract and no matter how the club should try and weasel out of it,
That doesn't change. The CEO is just doing some of the things the club should have already done. At least it seems we now have got someone in management who isn't incompetent.
He's not taking sides at all, just doing his job

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If Wests Tigers were a conventional corporate entity, ASIC investigators would have taken up permanent residence by now. Incredibly inept handling of the Farah affair which will more than likely end up in the courts with the club taking a sizeable legal bath. If the club carries through with its threat to play him in reggies all year irrespective of form, he will claim breach of contract and more than likely succeed in court. One thing to drop a guy for poor form. Quite another to threaten him with demotion in the hope of forcing him to walk away from his existing contractual right to not only play for WT for 2 more years but to be selected for first grade if his form so warrants!

He is just a staff member that has been asked to leave by management and backed by the board. Can't see how ASIC would be involved in such a situation. This is lawyers and unions territory….

Curaeus didn't say that ASIC were, or would be involved