Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
Oh Boy!!!!! there doing everything they can to oust him .

So is Woods , Tedesco , Brooks etc in for the same treatment ? and have meetings ?
What a joke of a Club .
HE HAS A CONTRACT AND IS MAYBE NOT BOTHERED PLAYING RESERVE GRADE IF IT CAME TO IT.

If there not going to pay him out in December if he fails to impress JT with his training program they should learn to zip it…...cause the Club will look like fools if Farah kills it in Reserve Grade .
Farah ain't going anywhere , at 32 i dare say he would hardly be bothered with what the Club are trying to do . He will go to the Super League in 2 years time anyway.

The Statement we should be hearing IMO is : Today the Club and the Farah Camp have come to a compromise to terminate his Contract for the 2017 Season and will play out his final year for the Club in 2016 , but NO!!!!! lets see how irritated we can get Farah and make him have a meeting in December and embarrasses his integrity .

All players should be held accountable for performances both on the field and the training paddock…we've seen with the many chances Lodge was given and how that has turned out,,,,.For years we have been calling for this but it has never eventuated ...the Club has gone from one mediocrity to another..... the Blair article..the plethora of players who left the Club and comment that how much more professional their new Club is.....it's about time for accountability not the same acceptance of mediocrity of the past....it is what Pascoe was on about in his first address to members and not just from the players...it has to come from the top of the organisation down to the ball boys...

FWIW...the Farah ultimatum came about from the Farah camp and his lawyer itself requesting more information as to the reasons he was asked to move on and find another Club...Farah clearly now knows where he stands in the Wests Tigers organisation....

You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

From the beginning the club has said nothing other than we'll honour his contract. Pascoe was merely re-enforcing what had previously been said.

If in December it's decided that Robbie is not a team player and is exerting his deficiencies onto the playing group then Taylor just says, we're better off without you, play train with nsw cup or go to another club.

If he's that much of a bad influence for the culture of our club, then it doesn't matter whether it's a kid coming through the ranks or an aging star, they get moved on.

And interesting that when one of our former ceo's, Longmuir i think, tried to implement a policy of standards and targets he promptly lost the confidence of the playing group and coach who thought it was unreasonable to have standards to be judged against and he lost his job.
 
@formerguest said:
Geez, I didn't mean to cause a kerfuffle, hence the smile added regarding the exaggeration of the ardent support of Farah from GCT.

Lol. Dont worry about it FG. Off season tends to bring out the b….....s in some. :mrgreen:
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
Oh Boy!!!!! there doing everything they can to oust him .

So is Woods , Tedesco , Brooks etc in for the same treatment ? and have meetings ?
What a joke of a Club .
HE HAS A CONTRACT AND IS MAYBE NOT BOTHERED PLAYING RESERVE GRADE IF IT CAME TO IT.

If there not going to pay him out in December if he fails to impress JT with his training program they should learn to zip it…...cause the Club will look like fools if Farah kills it in Reserve Grade .
Farah ain't going anywhere , at 32 i dare say he would hardly be bothered with what the Club are trying to do . He will go to the Super League in 2 years time anyway.

The Statement we should be hearing IMO is : Today the Club and the Farah Camp have come to a compromise to terminate his Contract for the 2017 Season and will play out his final year for the Club in 2016 , but NO!!!!! lets see how irritated we can get Farah and make him have a meeting in December and embarrasses his integrity .

All players should be held accountable for performances both on the field and the training paddock…we've seen with the many chances Lodge was given and how that has turned out,,,,.For years we have been calling for this but it has never eventuated ...the Club has gone from one mediocrity to another..... the Blair article..the plethora of players who left the Club and comment that how much more professional their new Club is.....it's about time for accountability not the same acceptance of mediocrity of the past....it is what Pascoe was on about in his first address to members and not just from the players...it has to come from the top of the organisation down to the ball boys...

FWIW...the Farah ultimatum came about from the Farah camp and his lawyer itself requesting more information as to the reasons he was asked to move on and find another Club...Farah clearly now knows where he stands in the Wests Tigers organisation....

You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

From the beginning the club has said nothing other than we'll honour his contract. Pascoe was merely re-enforcing what had previously been said.

If in December it's decided that Robbie is not a team player and is exerting his deficiencies onto the playing group then Taylor just says, we're better off without you, play train with nsw cup or go to another club.

If he's that much of a bad influence for the culture of our club, then it doesn't matter whether it's a kid coming through the ranks or an aging star, they get moved on.

And interesting that when one of our former ceo's, Longmuir i think, tried to implement a policy of standards and targets he promptly lost the confidence of the playing group and coach who thought it was unreasonable to have standards to be judged against and he lost his job.

From the beginning the Club never said they will honour his Contract , they did everything possible to oust him…..even Pascoe admitted that things are said in the heat of the moment when questioned about Farah playing Reserve Grade , that is admitting that in fact that was said to Robbie.

When Pascoe came into the Club and was looking at the situation with the Farah saga ? he knew he had to extinguish the flame and try and win some fans back if they were to have any chance of getting people to renew there Memberships for next Season , so he said that it will honour his Contract cause in actual fact they have no choice unless they pay him out , he just realized what an Amateurish comment it was ( well i hope he did ) .
For the Club it obviously didn't go to plan hence why Farah will be reporting to pre Season training and for that reason are still making it complicated by indicating a meeting will take place in December.

If you are going to conduct a meeting of appraisal into how Farah has been going up until December ? then all other players must follow suit or you lose all credibility in this processes .
Also you would need to have a Squad of 30 - 35 players starting Pre Season just in case some have failed the meeting in December and need to go to NSW Cup that way when deciding your 25 Squad players there familiar with the Players they have been training with .

In my opinion make no mistake that there doing everything in there power to make it complicated for Farah and force him out of here , but you think he will fail the meeting in December and be pushed to NSW Cup ? I don't think he will.....will look terrible on the Club if he is playing out of his skin in NSW Cup.
Anyway we are all entitled to our opinions on this matter .
 
@tiga4eva said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
If the spectators were considered the jury then Farah is innocent as charged your honour. Also one poll shows 60 to 40 in favour of Farah. Over the past few years they have had many injuries to hinder them, that was the main problem, and when Farah was not there they lost too many. One could say it is faulty coaching to rely too much on a key player. I am only assuming he was the key because they won a lot more with him. And if correct as claimed, that the forwards weren't strong enough well that has nothing to do with Farah.

Don't you think it's weird that our best player by a mile since our inception in 2000 can only get 60% of the vote in a poll. More to it than playing ability.

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Best player by a mile? I think not.
 
@TrueTiger said:
Actually GCT there are quite a few very intelligent contributors to this forum…its just that some dont want to see them that way...cheers mate...

Hi TT. Was wondering where you were. Missed you posting. :slight_smile:
 
@magpiecol said:
@tiga4eva said:
Don't you think it's weird that our best player by a mile since our inception in 2000 can only get 60% of the vote in a poll. More to it than playing ability.

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Best player by a mile? I think not.

IMHO, our best player was Marshall by mile, than Hodgson and Farah is in 3rd place.
Marshall won us games nearly singlehandedly (2005 - 2011).
In the current team the best player is Woods, than Tedesco, and Farah comes 3rd.
 
@foreveratiger said:
You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

I just have 1 final question… well maybe not final....Is all that you describe in the best interests of The Wests Tigers Club moving forward or the best interests of Robbie Farah...?
 
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

I just have 1 final question… well maybe not final....Is all that you describe in the best interests of The Wests Tigers Club moving forward or the best interests of Robbie Farah...?

how about this for a solution :
we get rid of both farah and Taylor and see where the cards land ?
get rid of being : both are removed from the club in any and all capacities
so as to remove any and all excuses - seeing that they both seem to be everyones excuse as to why the club / team is failing ….......
 
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

I just have 1 final question… well maybe not final....Is all that you describe in the best interests of The Wests Tigers Club moving forward or the best interests of Robbie Farah...?

You can't even answer my question :laughing: .

I have never said that moving forward the best interest of this Club is for Farah to be a part of it , i'm not in the Day to Day operations of our Club and i'm not able to see if Farah has a negative affect or a positive affect within our Club.

What i have always said is that the manner that this was conducted was absolutely appalling and i have come to my own conclusion that Jason Taylor has not got the Man Manager skills required to be a 1st Grade Coach nor does he have the game plans to be Coaching at this level , he has never had the balls to come out and front up and talk about the whole situation…..he doesn't do to well with the hard questions but he got defensive and rang up Triple MMM out of his own bat .

Are you going to answer my question about what i have said ?
 
@bobo125 said:
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

I just have 1 final question… well maybe not final....Is all that you describe in the best interests of The Wests Tigers Club moving forward or the best interests of Robbie Farah...?

how about this for a solution :
we get rid of both farah and Taylor and see where the cards land ?
get rid of being : both are removed from the club in any and all capacities
so as to remove any and all excuses - seeing that they both seem to be everyones excuse as to why the club / team is failing ….......

If Taylor is able to achieve his goal in removing Farah from 1st Grade next year ? There will be no hiding for him next year and it will be his defining year as a 1st Grade Coach .

This will sound mean cause i'm a Farah supporter but more questions would be answered if Farah is not here next year .
 
@foreveratiger said:
@bobo125 said:
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

I just have 1 final question… well maybe not final....Is all that you describe in the best interests of The Wests Tigers Club moving forward or the best interests of Robbie Farah...?[/quote
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how about this for a solution :
we get rid of both farah and Taylor and see where the cards land ?
get rid of being : both are removed from the club in any and all capacities
so as to remove any and all excuses - seeing that they both seem to be everyones excuse as to why the club / team is failing ..........

If Taylor is able to achieve his goal in removing Farah from 1st Grade next year ? There will be no hiding for him next year and it will be his defining year as a 1st Grade Coach .

This will sound mean cause i'm a Farah supporter but more questions would be answered if Farah is not here next year .

know one will be able to hide next year.
that is the one thing everyone on this forum will agree on.
 
@foreveratiger said:
@Balmain Boy said:
Oh Boy!!!!! there doing everything they can to oust him .

So is Woods , Tedesco , Brooks etc in for the same treatment ? and have meetings ?
What a joke of a Club .
HE HAS A CONTRACT AND IS MAYBE NOT BOTHERED PLAYING RESERVE GRADE IF IT CAME TO IT.

If there not going to pay him out in December if he fails to impress JT with his training program they should learn to zip it…...cause the Club will look like fools if Farah kills it in Reserve Grade .
Farah ain't going anywhere , at 32 i dare say he would hardly be bothered with what the Club are trying to do . He will go to the Super League in 2 years time anyway.

The Statement we should be hearing IMO is : Today the Club and the Farah Camp have come to a compromise to terminate his Contract for the 2017 Season and will play out his final year for the Club in 2016 , but NO!!!!! lets see how irritated we can get Farah and make him have a meeting in December and embarrasses his integrity .

All players should be held accountable for performances both on the field and the training paddock…we've seen with the many chances Lodge was given and how that has turned out,,,,.For years we have been calling for this but it has never eventuated ...the Club has gone from one mediocrity to another..... the Blair article..the plethora of players who left the Club and comment that how much more professional their new Club is.....it's about time for accountability not the same acceptance of mediocrity of the past....it is what Pascoe was on about in his first address to members and not just from the players...it has to come from the top of the organisation down to the ball boys...

FWIW...the Farah ultimatum came about from the Farah camp and his lawyer itself requesting more information as to the reasons he was asked to move on and find another Club...Farah clearly now knows where he stands in the Wests Tigers organisation....

You will not get an argument from me in terms of trying to be a more Professional Club , i'm all for
it.
Farah should not escape any special treatment just cause he has been here for 12 years or he is Club Captain , but all the players need to have the same treatment as this could be classified as Bullying and harassment .

I have a Job Appraisal twice a year and get judged on Punctuality , Team effectiveness , Code of Conduct , Confidentiality…..you name it .
These Players should be no different in terms of there Stats , attitude to training , Performance , Behaviour etc and should be held accountable . But unless all these things are stipulated in there Contracts ( subject to playing performance ) the Club can't terminate there Contracts unless things that Robert Lui and Lodge have done .

So lets say Farah fails ? what happens in December ? There is nothing the Club can do , if Farah wants to he can be here the next 2 years in Reserve Grade if it came to that .
The Club should of not said anything about this December thing and left it in house , i was impressed that Pascoe said that Farah has a Contract that the Club will honour......just leave it that , if things can be arranged for him to go elsewhere so be it but this December thing just Muddies things up a bit and the same treatment should be the same with all our Players .

From the beginning the club has said nothing other than we'll honour his contract. Pascoe was merely re-enforcing what had previously been said.

If in December it's decided that Robbie is not a team player and is exerting his deficiencies onto the playing group then Taylor just says, we're better off without you, play train with nsw cup or go to another club.

If he's that much of a bad influence for the culture of our club, then it doesn't matter whether it's a kid coming through the ranks or an aging star, they get moved on.

And interesting that when one of our former ceo's, Longmuir i think, tried to implement a policy of standards and targets he promptly lost the confidence of the playing group and coach who thought it was unreasonable to have standards to be judged against and he lost his job.

From the beginning the Club never said they will honour his Contract , they did everything possible to oust him…..even Pascoe admitted that things are said in the heat of the moment when questioned about Farah playing Reserve Grade , that is admitting that in fact that was said to Robbie.

When Pascoe came into the Club and was looking at the situation with the Farah saga ? he knew he had to extinguish the flame and try and win some fans back if they were to have any chance of getting people to renew there Memberships for next Season , so he said that it will honour his Contract cause in actual fact they have no choice unless they pay him out , he just realized what an Amateurish comment it was ( well i hope he did ) .
For the Club it obviously didn't go to plan hence why Farah will be reporting to pre Season training and for that reason are still making it complicated by indicating a meeting will take place in December.

If you are going to conduct a meeting of appraisal into how Farah has been going up until December ? then all other players must follow suit or you lose all credibility in this processes .
Also you would need to have a Squad of 30 - 35 players starting Pre Season just in case some have failed the meeting in December and need to go to NSW Cup that way when deciding your 25 Squad players there familiar with the Players they have been training with .

In my opinion make no mistake that there doing everything in there power to make it complicated for Farah and force him out of here , but you think he will fail the meeting in December and be pushed to NSW Cup ? I don't think he will.....will look terrible on the Club if he is playing out of his skin in NSW Cup.
Anyway we are all entitled to our opinions on this matter .

Lol, just reading your first sentence shows your bias in the matter. Don't try and make it sound like your speaking objectively when you're reporting your opinion. The club HAS certainly said from the onset they will honour his contract. (and you do realise that the phrase honouring his contract simply means paying him?!) Unless his contract had a requirement that he play NRL which would be extremely rare.

His contract ties him to the club for money. That's it. If he's not playing well, injured, or being disruptive he can be dropped just like anyone.

And if no-one else has demonstrated any behavioural issues then why would they need to be brought in for an additional meeting, on top of the one when they first report to pre-season training?

We don't know exactly what Robbie's been doing, but if he cuts the crap out, swallows his ego and just get's down to training bloody hard, listening to his coach and playing footy then he'll be with us in 2016.
 
disruptive …..

im not sure how anyone "isnt" surprised that there has been no mention of this until just recently.

performance review.
i also agree
in saying that though - i would think that this is something that should be going on within the club week to week and then reviewed in accordence with whatever other markers they use to quantify if a team member is up to standard to represent the team.....
NOT used in public domain to now try and back track and justify their own poor performance in relation to how they have dealt with this matter.

this particular point - specifically - is not about farah or taylor per say but rather..... obvious to all that they are now falling over themselves ...... again......
 
Balamin Boy :
Nice try with your Bias comment lol.
The Club never came out from the onset and said they will honour his Contract , only when Pascoe became CEO did he say his Contract will be honoured .

The Club tried to force him out with threats and only when things didn't go to plan that Pascoe came out and said his Contract will be honoured.
I don't know where i said that he had to play 1st Grade ? as long as the Club pay his Contract money…..there entitled to do what they want , but because our Club have not got a Tin to piss on and can't pay Farah out ? they have made a whole Circus of this.
Farah takes up the most money in our Salary Cap , they have to remove him and in the process threats is all they have .
 
Marina Go also stated the week after this blew-up that Robbie has a contract and the club will honour it if he doesnt find another club.

Pascoe was simply reading from the same hymn sheet.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Marina Go also stated the week after this blew-up that Robbie has a contract and the club will honour it if he doesnt find another club.

Pascoe was simply reading from the same hymn sheet.

I've never doubted that this wouldn't occur as they simply can't make his Contract vanish regardless how hard they might try.

Had Farah been in his mid 20's ? i think he would of gone for the sake of his Career but because his turning 32 years old he might not be bothered getting a Million dollars per year being a nuisance to some , this has turned Personal i dare say .
 
Some people just don't like facts.

There's really not much you can do about it… :brick: :brick: :brick:

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:
 
I dare say the 'real' issue hasnt even been disclosed in a public forum… I have never seen a club try so hard to move on a club legend, and for this reason alone I believe this is more about non-playing matters.

From a professional perspective, after all is said and done, Farah cant stay. The club would be bonkers to keep him and any attempt to remedy this by allowing Robbie to stay will only highlight how poorly we are run.

From the moment this story broke, rightly or wrongly I could only feel this is another sad day in the history of our club.

:sign:
 
@Balmain Boy said:
Some people just don't like facts.

There's really not much you can do about it… :brick: :brick: :brick:

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

Yeah the Fact that his got a Contract and will be honoured that is the fact that we know about .

You got nothing :laughing:
 

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