Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[magpiecol]

Farah said last night on the news that "he and JT got on very well together" and that "Taylor was a very good coach".

It will be interesting to see what sort of spin some people on this forum will put on this statement.

 

[tigerbalm]

WooooooW

this thread and some on here seemed to have had a sugar explosion.
All im going to say is if you take the personalities out, take the emotion out and for a moment forget its your football team thats been walloped on and now more so off the field, this is all pretty simple.
regardless of who you like or side your sitting on….... yarda yarda yarrrrrrrrda....

in Australia in 2015 NO employer can threaten their staff that if he dosnt walk away he will be sent to a lower grade for the sole reason the manager is attempting to force the person to leave the company.
Thats the point here.

and of corse when the stakes are high.... well, its brought out the best in all of us hasnt it........ !

In other words you are saying a coach isn't entitled to have a say on the squad he wants. So what's the point in JT having any authority? As has been stated 100 times, no one is threatening not to pay him.

your missing the point mate.
theres no question over the money
theres no question that there is a fractured team etc etc
The coach and the management can choose whatever team and or what ever direction they want to go in but the can not try and make someone quite via threatening him.

the smarter play here would have been to let Farah play poorly and merely put him on the bench or reserves and let Farah make up his own mind.
certainly not say leave or …......
thats the point

lol? Are you kidding?

Are you saying, no employer demotes staff with the hope they will quit with ouch firing them? No one is saying Robbie won't get paid. What task he actually performs is another matter. Sheens went through the same thing, it only got ugly when wests stopped paying. If wests want to pay him X to perform menial tasks, they can. It's up to Robbie to leave (and still get paid).
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I've seen similar scenarios play out in the real work world more times than I can remember. Judging by your posts, you seem pretty far removed from that world.
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For what ever reason, Wests don't want him. I don't want this carrying on next season, which judging by this season is already going to be a nightmare. If he loves the club and wants it to succeed just leave. He will always be a club hero. He is only doing more damage to his legacy by doing these stupid media crying sessions.
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For the record, like wests usually do, they have handled this like a pack of morons. Seriously, how can they give a bloke like RF a few weeks notice and no send off without thinking this wouldn't blow up. Stupid. Robbie should look at this like a chance to change clubs to possibly win some games and be managed correctly.

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[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Does anyone think Sam Ayoub should have spoken to his client prior to last week?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/robbie-farahs-manager-sam-ayoub-had-discussed-his-tigers-departure-with-the-club-for-past-three-weeks/story-e6frf3wu-1227500168643

 

[bobo125]

lol? Are you kidding?

Are you saying, no employer demotes staff with the hope they will quit with ouch firing them? No one is saying Robbie won't get paid. What task he actually performs is another matter. Sheens went through the same thing, it only got ugly when wests stopped paying. If wests want to pay him X to perform menial tasks, they can. It's up to Robbie to leave (and still get paid).
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I've seen similar scenarios play out in the real work world more times than I can remember. Judging by your posts, you seem pretty far removed from that world.
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lol.

yes employers demote staff with the hope they quit all the time.

but again - and again - and again - As an employer you can not threaten a staff member with anything where the aim is to make that person quit.

dont take my word for it - just make a phone call.

Industrial relations commission
Telephone: 02 9258 0866

theres no point arguing about this.
ring the number above and ask this question.
for whatever reason, i dont want this guy at my company anymore.
can i say to him - leave / look elsewhere or you will be demoted.

its super simple

 

[innsaneink]

I wonder whether the board was in on the decision of JT to tell Robbie if he didn't move on next year he will be in Reggie's. This seems to be the major bone of contention, if JT has gone out on a limb and said that off his own bat he's position is almost untenable.
I'm also wondering if this is the basis of the speculated legal action from Robbie.
IMO if that statement had not been made this sh*t storm isn't anywhere near as bad, players ask and get told to explore their options all the time without all this fiasco.

The thing is its all heresay, and if it was said it was said in confidence behind closed doors

Robbie has said several times on the record last night on TFS said it again, I haven't actually heard anything where Taylor has confirmed it but there's been no actaul denial, just the comment that they don't comment on behind closed door matters.
Pretty damning if you ask me a simple denial would clear the air, this is the reason Robbie is "winning the battle of the media" also this is why I wondered whether the board was on board with the call to say he'll be in reserves if he stays. Perhaps they don't know how to handle this being put in a worse than necessary situation.

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

 

[NT_Tiger]

…........ As an employer you can not threaten a staff member with anything where the aim is to make that person quit............

What you say is true bobo, but as I said yesterday, anything further will depend entirely on what was said, how anything was said and the legal definitions around that part of the law. As far as I'm aware, no-one on this forum is in a position to make a judgement on any of that.
From here I can't really see it going anywhere at all. It may, but even if it does I'd be surprised to see any major sanction.

 

[bobo125]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

 

[bobo125]

…........ As an employer you can not threaten a staff member with anything where the aim is to make that person quit............

What you say is true bobo, but as I said yesterday, anything further will depend entirely on what was said, how anything was said and the legal definitions around that part of the law. As far as I'm aware, no-one on this forum is in a position to make a judgement on any of that.
From here I can't really see it going anywhere at all. It may, but even if it does I'd be surprised to see any major sanction.

yeah for sure !
i too really dont think it will reach the courts etc
believe me - most people do everything they can to stay out of the courts.
they come to whats considered a commercial agreement.

this is nothing more than 2 senior figures in the club not being on the same page and unfortunately one party has given the other all the "so called power" by making an illegal comment / threat.

the smartes thing they can do - if they both want to remain at the club - is sit down.
eat some pie
agree to a term or period of cease fire that works for both of them.
eg robbie has 1 year
Jt has one year to turn it around and everyone moves on
?

 

[foreveratiger]

lol? Are you kidding?

Are you saying, no employer demotes staff with the hope they will quit with ouch firing them? No one is saying Robbie won't get paid. What task he actually performs is another matter. Sheens went through the same thing, it only got ugly when wests stopped paying. If wests want to pay him X to perform menial tasks, they can. It's up to Robbie to leave (and still get paid).
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I've seen similar scenarios play out in the real work world more times than I can remember. Judging by your posts, you seem pretty far removed from that world.
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lol.

yes employers demote staff with the hope they quit all the time.

but again - and again - and again - As an employer you can not threaten a staff member with anything where the aim is to make that person quit.

dont take my word for it - just make a phone call.

Industrial relations commission
Telephone: 02 9258 0866

theres no point arguing about this.
ring the number above and ask this question.
for whatever reason, i dont want this guy at my company anymore.
can i say to him - leave / look elsewhere or you will be demoted.

its super simple

It falls under the Legislation of Bullying and harassment

 

[innsaneink]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

Why do you think clubs end statements all the time with "we will be making no further comment on the matter "
No one wins in a media slanging match as we saw with farah tallish last year

It's really very simple

 

[foreveratiger]

…........ As an employer you can not threaten a staff member with anything where the aim is to make that person quit............

What you say is true bobo, but as I said yesterday, anything further will depend entirely on what was said, how anything was said and the legal definitions around that part of the law. As far as I'm aware, no-one on this forum is in a position to make a judgement on any of that.
From here I can't really see it going anywhere at all. It may, but even if it does I'd be surprised to see any major sanction.

yeah for sure !
i too really dont think it will reach the courts etc
believe me - most people do everything they can to stay out of the courts.
they come to whats considered a commercial agreement.

this is nothing more than 2 senior figures in the club not being on the same page and unfortunately one party has given the other all the "so called power" by making an illegal comment / threat.

the smartes thing they can do - if they both want to remain at the club - is sit down.
eat some pie
agree to a term or period of cease fire that works for both of them.
eg robbie has 1 year
Jt has one year to turn it around and everyone moves on
?

I think that would be the smartest move for all Parties concerned and avoiding more Media Humiliation , if not this is going to get alot more messier IMO

 

[tig_prmz]


 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

I have to say this is my sentiments also, they confirmed they have given Robbie permission to look elsewhere why not deny that statement wasn't made or it was misconstrued. I think the thoughts of not playing it out in the media are admirable but a simple no it wasn't said would go a hell of a long way to straightening out this situation, if of course it wasn't said.

 

[bobo125]

Why do you think clubs end statements all the time with "we will be making no further comment on the matter "
No one wins in a media slanging match as we saw with farah tallish last year

It's really very simple

i agree no one wins in a media slang match.
(or forum slang match for that matter)
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1 line addresses the issue at hand
it is a accusation thats quite serious and in my eyes should have been addressed immediately if it was not true.

- we the club completely and categorically deny making any such threats to Robbie Farah -

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

"the smartes thing they can do - if they both want to remain at the club - is sit down.
eat some pie
agree to a term or period of cease fire that works for both of them.
eg robbie has 1 year
Jt has one year to turn it around and everyone moves on"

I'd disagree with that. By 'submitting' to Farah staying, despite what the coaching staff & board have already decided, all you do is completely remove the 'power' of the people paid to make the tough decisions.

What happens if the club decides that a player is underperforming & needs to be let go in the future? The players have a sit down protest until the board relents & lets their mate stick about?

No. If there is ever a time for the board & coaching staff to show some solidarity, it is now- they cannot take the legs away from another coach & let the players dictate terms- no matter how much you may or may not like a particular player at the club.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Can we please stop using the term threat. You're making JT sound like a character from Underbelly.

 

[bobo125]

Can we please stop using the term threat. You're making JT sound like a character from Underbelly.

lol

pls refer to tig_prmz pic attachment
:bawling :bawling :bawling

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You can't even say for sure in what context the NSW cup comment was made.

 

[foreveratiger]

"the smartes thing they can do - if they both want to remain at the club - is sit down.
eat some pie
agree to a term or period of cease fire that works for both of them.
eg robbie has 1 year
Jt has one year to turn it around and everyone moves on"

I'd disagree with that. By 'submitting' to Farah staying, despite what the coaching staff & board have already decided, all you do is completely remove the 'power' of the people paid to make the tough decisions.

What happens if the club decides that a player is underperforming & needs to be let go in the future? The players have a sit down protest until the board relents & lets their mate stick about?

No. If there is ever a time for the board & coaching staff to show some solidarity, it is now- they cannot take the legs away from another coach & let the players dictate terms- no matter how much you may or may not like a particular player at the club.

The bottom line is that there isn't a Club at this present moment that can accommodate him into there Squad for next year , whether they want to or simply can't ? is a different Topic.
If he can't find a Club that he is happy to go to ? he will be here next year .
If they want to payout his final 2 years of his Contract and get him out of here ? then problem solved .

 

[Tigermama]


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