Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[bobo125]

"the smartes thing they can do - if they both want to remain at the club - is sit down.
eat some pie
agree to a term or period of cease fire that works for both of them.
eg robbie has 1 year
Jt has one year to turn it around and everyone moves on"

I'd disagree with that. By 'submitting' to Farah staying, despite what the coaching staff & board have already decided, all you do is completely remove the 'power' of the people paid to make the tough decisions.

What happens if the club decides that a player is underperforming & needs to be let go in the future? The players have a sit down protest until the board relents & lets their mate stick about?

No. If there is ever a time for the board & coaching staff to show some solidarity, it is now- they cannot take the legs away from another coach & let the players dictate terms- no matter how much you may or may not like a particular player at the club.

we're looking for options that can allow the club to move forward.
its safe to say there is a strong voice for each party to leave the club.
in reality either of them leaving dosnt actually help the club at this time.
thats how i see it.

im not a fan of JT's coaching approach to this team
im not a fan of some of the things farah has been involved with
but this case is about 2 people who dont get a long because of their egos.
good or bad…deserved or not.....
splitting does more harm in the sense that anything that goes good or bad will constantly be linked to one of them for eveerrrrrrrrrrrrr
so why not attempt to address it with a positive...
we have kissed and made up....weve worked out how we can move forward together so the club can move forward.

i dont think thats a compromise.... i think that could be a very smart approach....... for the club as a whole that is .

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Yes & no Bobo.

Yes, it shows that both Robbie & JT are grown-ups & can play nice.

No- it completely removes the power of the coaching staff to be tough on any other player in the future (well, potentially). The coach is hired & fired on his ability to put a team he wants & believes in on the field. He's hired to make tough choices. If you then don't stand by him when he makes a tough decision, you may as well fire him now because every decision from then is open for debate.

At some point, the Board needs to stick with the coach over the player- or even the fans.

JT (and probably with the consent of the Board- for WHATEVER reason) have decided the future of the team doesn't include Farah. I can't imagine they made that decision over a friendly game of scrabble at lunch. The tough decision was made. Now you simply have to follow through.

And if Harry T wants to help, then the best way he can would be to find a suitable way to ensure Robbie receives the money he gave up in the past to keep the Tigers under the cap.

 

[bobo125]

Yes & no Bobo.

Yes, it shows that both Robbie & JT are grown-ups & can play nice.

No- it completely removes the power of the coaching staff to be tough on any other player in the future (well, potentially). The coach is hired & fired on his ability to put a team he wants & believes in on the field. He's hired to make tough choices. If you then don't stand by him when he makes a tough decision, you may as well fire him now because every decision from then is open for debate.

At some point, the Board needs to stick with the coach over the player- or even the fans.

JT (and probably with the consent of the Board- for WHATEVER reason) have decided the future of the team doesn't include Farah. I can't imagine they made that decision over a friendly game of scrabble at lunch. The tough decision was made. Now you simply have to follow through.

And if Harry T wants to help, then the best way he can would be to find a suitable way to ensure Robbie receives the money he gave up in the past to keep the Tigers under the cap.

mate you have to try and find common ground to move forward.

Harry T dosnt actually need to get involved in finding robbie money.
the club has stated the money is not the issue.

hes getting involved because it dosnt serve his business interests or plans to have the club in public turmoil.

 

[Tigermama]

Now I really think he should go.

Robbie and his manager have dragged this out in the media

Sam Ayoub leaked it in the first place to Dean Ritchie
They put the reserve grade piece out thier
Robbie & Sam talked about it every chance they have had
Robbie has had his mates tweeting and talking about it in the media

Look at other cases where a player leaves contracts early - Look at even our own club this year Keith Galloway who has been with the club for years and 170 games was given the same permission to negotiate and he did and did in quietly like a professional, like an adult and like every other player does except Robbie Farah and DCE and both are clearly dickheads

Robbie is managed by Slimy Sam Ayoub - You know the bloke who was Ryan Tandy's manager and whose own son was involved in the betting controversy and where Sam was arrested, same Sam Ayoub who is good mates with John Ellias perhaos the dodgiest bloke in the history of Rugby League

Robbie has had the advantage of being able to talk publicaly about this when the club couldn't really say much because firstly they are trying to be professional and not be dickheads like Robbie and Sam

I respect what Farah did for the club on the field but lets be honest he has now had 2 coaches sacked and is trying for a 3rd. He needs to go from this club and if we have to pay him to play reserve grade or even pay him to not turn up at our club at all then so be it

A lot of great players have him as their manager. Robbie, Tedesco, Soward, Ferguson, Tamu, Mason, Milford, Thurston, etc. You might not like him, but he's a smart operator, good at what he does and is second to none in his profession.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

"mate you have to try and find common ground to move forward.

Harry T dosnt actually need to get involved in finding robbie money.
the club has stated the money is not the issue.

hes getting involved because it dosnt serve his business interests or plans to have the club in public turmoil."

Again, that's a yes & no answer.

By having a sit-down 'work it out' between Robbie & JT at this stage is essentially saying to JT that the decision he made (and again, I'm imagining with the OK of the board) doesn't stand. You're essentially forcing JT to work a piece into his puzzle that he doesn't feel he needs or wants.

JT & the board made their decision. Backing down now just shows a lack of confidence in the coaching staff- which is what brought Potter undone.

The common ground here is that Robbie has his contract honoured- in this case, ensuring he has the money promised him. Contracts can be made null & void so long as the value is honoured. If money isn't an issue- pay him & cut him loose.

I agree- Harry doesn't need to get involved. But he is, for whatever reason. My suggestion is the biggest help he could provide is getting Robbie his payout. A sit down pow-wow from Harry with JT & Robbie does not solve the issue.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Wait, he went on the Footy Show? because he loves the club so much he's happy to put himself before it and continue dragging it through the mud?

Why is it only us? Every other player leaves or is moved on with some semblance of grace. The only other recent one I can think of was the Panthers moving on Luke Lewis and even then, I don't recall him creating this sort of media storm.

This is like some sort of abusive relationship "I love you!!! why do you make me say bad things about you???"

Yes exactly, why is it always us, makes you wonder if our inept previous management was incompetent to have most players that have left , dump on the place.
And so far this new board haven't proved to be any better
People are forgetting Which incompetant is responsible for the Backloading and loans in the first place.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Farah is trying to play smart , he knows if he lets this play out in the media he wins the popularity contest.

But ultimately he will lose this , there is no turning back now , he won't be at the WT's after seeing that interview

I think he needed to come out and say that despite everything he still wanted to reconcile with the WT's , to leave that door even slightly ajar

He has painted himself into a corner now

He's already said at least twice now that there's no problem with Taylor , from his side, and he can work with him without a problem .
The first time I heard that was at the presser , after the Warriors game, And he was sitting right next to Taylor when he said it. What more does he have to say.
No need to say that Taylor looked straight ahead and said nothing, so who's not interested in reconciling????

 

[happy_tiger]

Farah is trying to play smart , he knows if he lets this play out in the media he wins the popularity contest.

But ultimately he will lose this , there is no turning back now , he won't be at the WT's after seeing that interview

I think he needed to come out and say that despite everything he still wanted to reconcile with the WT's , to leave that door even slightly ajar

He has painted himself into a corner now

He's already said at least twice now that there's no problem with Taylor , from his side, and he can work with him without a problem .
The first time I heard that was at the presser , after the Warriors game, And he was sitting right next to Taylor when he said it. What more does he have to say.
No need to say that Taylor looked straight ahead and said nothing, so who's not interested in reconciling????

I saw on that jump in that Robbie must have been on the Footy Show last night and watched the interview

If you get a chance watch it GCT , his attitude has changed slightly whether that was Beau was beside him egging him on or not I don't know …....

 

[Spartan117]

Farah is a club Legend, I admire him on the field in our colours and in Light Blue.

His one memorable game in months has him appealing to the common folk for support / cries of loyalty and tears but the reality is that these folk dont make the decisions in this club and usually in this world.

There is always more to every story and personal agendas (Ego , $$$ etc.)

New coach hired by a new board to find a new direction.

Pin has been pulled, Grenade is in the air… only gonna be one expensive result.

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No reconciliation, Pay the man and lets all start building the club around the next generation.

Its our only option now.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I googled the footy show interview and, without looking at the details, opened the first thing that popped up. It was Robbie on the footy show a year ago talking to Gus. Poor bloke, always having to explain himself to the media.
Good advice from Paul Vautin.

 

[innsaneink]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

I have to say this is my sentiments also, they confirmed they have given Robbie permission to look elsewhere why not deny that statement wasn't made or it was misconstrued. I think the thoughts of not playing it out in the media are admirable but a simple no it wasn't said would go a hell of a long way to straightening out this situation, if of course it wasn't said.

I am talkin abbot the alleged reserve grade statement… Not that he is free to look elsewhere... That is obvious and in black and white... Three reserve grade comment is here say

 

[bobo125]

I am talkin abbot the alleged reserve grade statement… Not that he is free to look elsewhere... That is obvious and in black and white... Three reserve grade comment is here say

mate all we can go by is what has been said.
last night on the FS, piggy and fatmun went on to say that the reserve grade threat was disgraceful.
Vautin then asked farah point blank - did they say - if you decide to stay you will be playing reserve grade.
He answered - yes.

that should once and for all address the fact it is now no longer hearsay.

being that its context falls into a legal argument, Farah wouldnt say anything that would bring him unstuck in a legal environment and equally, the club would have come out and stated - categorically we di not say that.

 

[ghost]

There are two relevant points for mine.

Is Robbie the best hooker in the club? Obviously yes,so why get rid of him?
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Is Taylor making use of his skills? Obviously no.So instead of changing his tactics he gets rid of our best player/captain/legend so he can keep his same tactic.

ITS MADNESS!!!!

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Farah is trying to play smart , he knows if he lets this play out in the media he wins the popularity contest.

But ultimately he will lose this , there is no turning back now , he won't be at the WT's after seeing that interview

I think he needed to come out and say that despite everything he still wanted to reconcile with the WT's , to leave that door even slightly ajar

He has painted himself into a corner now

He's already said at least twice now that there's no problem with Taylor , from his side, and he can work with him without a problem .
The first time I heard that was at the presser , after the Warriors game, And he was sitting right next to Taylor when he said it. What more does he have to say.
No need to say that Taylor looked straight ahead and said nothing, so who's not interested in reconciling????

Robbie does say a lot of things to get his own way. It was his camp who leaked this despite asking for commercial in confidence to occur through the process until things broke down.

People on this board have their views and will believe what they want.

My view is Robbie is a huge reason why we are in this mess because of his undermining and wanting to have everything his own way. He knows the Balmain side will always support him hence Harry now involved.

In what business does a sponsor get involved to decide who is or isn't on the roster unless the club asks them too? That alone shows undermined mentality and direction of how things are running whilst highlights how much work this club needs to do to start leading rather than listening to everyone's opinion on things.

Clear structure, roles, performance metrics followed by reviews are required and the only way to start this is clean out the dead wood and start fresh.

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[bobo125]

A lot of great players have him as their manager. Robbie, Tedesco, Soward, Ferguson, Tamu, Mason, Milford, Thurston, etc. You might not like him, but he's a smart operator, good at what he does and is second to none in his profession.

yes Tigermama, that seems to be something that is lost within all this.
some people dont like robbie, dont like sam and cannot seem to think that the ramifications of this is far bigger than whos having the biggest sook.

All of the people / players under sams company trust Sam 100%.
There is a knock on effect here where the real loser will be the club !
Sam will not encourage any of his players to go to the tigers whilst JT is there.
Sams' peers will discuss with him in private the inns and outs and will follow suite.
As will anyone who seeks the advice of the players who are aligned with him.

player managers carry a massive weight in the NRL.
look at what happened with the titans when they feel out with the orr brothers.
they have struggled to get anyone …...

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

I have to say this is my sentiments also, they confirmed they have given Robbie permission to look elsewhere why not deny that statement wasn't made or it was misconstrued. I think the thoughts of not playing it out in the media are admirable but a simple no it wasn't said would go a hell of a long way to straightening out this situation, if of course it wasn't said.

I am talkin abbot the alleged reserve grade statement… Not that he is free to look elsewhere... That is obvious and in black and white... Three reserve grade comment is here say

I know that's what your talking about, what I was saying is they've already come out and said he is free to look elsewhere in a statement. Why could they not address the reserve grade issue also, it would put most of this to bed. I think the comment Is far more than heresay Farah has stated it many times, not addressing it is going a long way to confirming it.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

While I get what you are suggesting, everything you say puts all the power in negotiations with the player & his manager & takes it all away from the Club.

Money talks. Opportunity talks. I can't imagine where 1 manager gets his nose out of joint & therefore all his clients avoid a club regardless of fit/finances. That seems unprofessional. Actually, it doesn't seem it. It is.

If clubs were so scared of the power of player managers, no player would ever be cut.

I'm betting the relationship of Sam Ayoub & the Tigers is probably the lowest priority in all of this right now.

And I still put it out there- if Ayoub knew PRIOR to the Canberra game that the Tigers wanted to be rid of Robbie- why didn't he tell him right then?? Why hold on to that information on your client?

 

[innsaneink]

I am talkin abbot the alleged reserve grade statement… Not that he is free to look elsewhere... That is obvious and in black and white... Three reserve grade comment is here say

mate all we can go by is what has been said.
last night on the FS, piggy and fatmun went on to say that the reserve grade threat was disgraceful.
Vautin then asked farah point blank - did they say - if you decide to stay you will be playing reserve grade.
He answered - yes.

that should once and for all address the fact it is now no longer hearsay.

being that its context falls into a legal argument, Farah wouldnt say anything that would bring him unstuck in a legal environment and equally, the club would have come out and stated - categorically we di not say that.

Whta legal argument would that be…supreme court or industrial relations? :unamused:
Youre assuming ...its he said v she said
Youre also assuming farah is telling the truth....we know hes been found to be prone to porkies, as evidenced last year

 

[innsaneink]

Why no denial?
They are trying to give Robbie the respect so many want…. They don't want to play it out in the media like Robbie does
People miss this

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However, i would also say - in 99.99999999% of cases where a flame is thrown at someone as intense as this - a denial would have completely addressed it.

if the coach or the club came out and said "we categorically deny making that threat" - this whole thing would be looked at a little differently.

nothing else needed to be said by the club or coach.

a lot of people accept that robbie moving on may be a good thing.
no ones questioning if he will be paid in full etc
as nearly every commentator / person involved with league / has said - its the perceived threat thats caused all the angst.

I have to say this is my sentiments also, they confirmed they have given Robbie permission to look elsewhere why not deny that statement wasn't made or it was misconstrued. I think the thoughts of not playing it out in the media are admirable but a simple no it wasn't said would go a hell of a long way to straightening out this situation, if of course it wasn't said.

I am talkin abbot the alleged reserve grade statement… Not that he is free to look elsewhere... That is obvious and in black and white... Three reserve grade comment is here say

I know that's what your talking about, what I was saying is they've already come out and said he is free to look elsewhere in a statement. **Why could they not address the reserve grade issue also**, it would put most of this to bed. I think the comment Is far more than heresay Farah has stated it many times, not addressing it is going a long way to confirming it.

round and round in circles ive explained it several times

:deadhorse:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Farah is trying to play smart , he knows if he lets this play out in the media he wins the popularity contest.

But ultimately he will lose this , there is no turning back now , he won't be at the WT's after seeing that interview

I think he needed to come out and say that despite everything he still wanted to reconcile with the WT's , to leave that door even slightly ajar

He has painted himself into a corner now

He's already said at least twice now that there's no problem with Taylor , from his side, and he can work with him without a problem .
The first time I heard that was at the presser , after the Warriors game, And he was sitting right next to Taylor when he said it. What more does he have to say.
No need to say that Taylor looked straight ahead and said nothing, so who's not interested in reconciling????

Robbie does say a lot of things to get his own way. It was his camp who leaked this despite asking for commercial in confidence to occur through the process until things broke down.

People on this board have their views and will believe what they want.

My view is Robbie is a huge reason why we are in this mess because of his undermining and wanting to have everything his own way. He knows the Balmain side will always support him hence Harry now involved.

In what business does a sponsor get involved to decide who is or isn't on the roster unless the club asks them too? That alone shows undermined mentality and direction of how things are running whilst highlights how much work this club needs to do to start leading rather than listening to everyone's opinion on things.

Clear structure, roles, performance metrics followed by reviews are required and the only way to start this is clean out the dead wood and start fresh.

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Apparently Rugby League teams. Perhaps you should call Harry and convey your disapproval that he's getting/got involved . As his opinion in his interview was that it's "silly "to let our best players go. I would suspect that he may have a different view to the coach and the board, but all I know is what was in his interview, but he's certainly involved or getting involved.