Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Our new major sponsor seems to have no issue with the whole way the board has dealt with Robbie Farah.

And they are lawyers, so I'm going to go ahead & assume they know a few things about doing things legally..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Haha yeah, he didn't leak it. He just said it. I don't think it even occurred to him at the time that that would be the sticking point everyone would run with. I don't even feel like that's the part of it that has offended him at all.

I bet Taylor's woken up on a few mornings this week and wanted to rewind all this back a week or so. Farahs not the pushover that JT thought.

Thanks Jirskyr,
Not sure what your point was, but thanks anyway

 

[bobo125]

While I get what you are suggesting, everything you say puts all the power in negotiations with the player & his manager & takes it all away from the Club.

Money talks. Opportunity talks. I can't imagine where 1 manager gets his nose out of joint & therefore all his clients avoid a club regardless of fit/finances. That seems unprofessional. Actually, it doesn't seem it. It is.

If clubs were so scared of the power of player managers, no player would ever be cut.

I'm betting the relationship of Sam Ayoub & the Tigers is probably the lowest priority in all of this right now.

And I still put it out there- if Ayoub knew PRIOR to the Canberra game that the Tigers wanted to be rid of Robbie- why didn't he tell him right then?? Why hold on to that information on your client?

currently in the NRL - due to the salary cap and the way in which players can move around - all the power is with the managers unfortunately.
Phil Gould has pointed this out - as have people like Brad fitler, andrew johns and peter Sterlin.
The managers have a very very big influence on what happens and where a player goes or dosnt go.
This is one of the bigger issues thats attached to the salary cap / player movement problems.

 

[jirskyr]

last night on the FS, piggy and fatmun went on to say that the reserve grade threat was disgraceful.
Vautin then asked farah point blank - did they say - if you decide to stay you will be playing reserve grade.
He answered - yes.

that should once and for all address the fact it is now no longer hearsay.

being that its context falls into a legal argument, Farah wouldnt say anything that would bring him unstuck in a legal environment and equally, the club would have come out and stated - categorically we di not say that.

Actually bobo, it's still hearsay until Farah makes such a statement in court, under oath. Farah can make whatever statements he pleases in the media, true or not, because he is not subject to perjury.

I am not doubting the veracity of what Farah is saying, but until he makes such a statement in court, it is hearsay.

Personally I don't think it matters whether or not anyone at WT told Farah he'd be playing reserve grade next season. Were it to go to court, the coach can easily state: "We feel Robbie's form is not good enough to justify his continued selection in first grade. This is especially true with the continued good form of our other hooker Manaia Cherrington. That is why we advised Robbie that he would likely play reserve grade next year. Robbie will remain in our Top 25 contracted players for the next two years, but his inclusion in the first-grade side will be considered on a week-to-week basis, as for every other player on our roster."

Hearsay is an out of court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted. In other words, hearsay is evidence of a statement that was made other than by a witness while testifying at the hearing in question and that is offered to prove the truth of the matter stated. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/hearsay-evidence.html#sthash.6R9BSK2m.dpuf

 

[bobo125]

Whta legal argument would that be…supreme court or industrial relations? :unamused:
Youre assuming ...its he said v she said
Youre also assuming farah is telling the truth....we know hes been found to be prone to porkies, as evidenced last year

mate, your too obvious.
its friday afternoon.
the only thing im assuming is you are at the pub drinking VB.
next ones on me. lol

 

[Tigermama]

In fairness gallagher, I am in support of Farah moving on. I think it's fair to say Farah means more to the Tigers than Vautin ever did for Manly.

Fatty also said on the Sterlo interview, how devestated he was to be told to leave, and when he started playing with a different club he felt so unhappy. Didn't feel right for him to be playing in a different Jersey. He was miserable.

 

[Tony33]

If any other club in Sydney was interested in signing Robbie (Souths, Bulldogs, Parra, Penrith) i'd say he would've left and this would all be over.

The fact that for Robbie to move on would require him to move overseas and give up his origin jersey, something he is very passionate about and pockets him $100,000 a year means he is going to dig his heels in.

Why on earth would he give up everything he is so passionate about, move to a whole new country to ply his trade just because someone feels they can't work with him.

Who can honestly say they would do that ? That is what he means by it has to be done on his own terms.

He isn't just going to pack up, leave his family and friends, give up his origin jersey and the added $100,000 and just move to a whole new country to make the people who punted him happy.

He might be stubborn, he might be well past his best, he might be arrogant, he might be hard to work with BUT despite any of these character traits, no one can expect him to change his whole lifestyle to make anyone happy, let alone the people sacking him.

 

[Tigermama]

In fairness gallagher, I am in support of Farah moving on. I think it's fair to say Farah means more to the Tigers than Vautin ever did for Manly.

Fatty also said on the Sterlo interview, how devestated he was to be told to leave, and when he started playing with a different club he felt so unhappy. Didn't feel right for him to be playing in a different Jersey.

 

[jirskyr]

Haha yeah, he didn't leak it. He just said it. I don't think it even occurred to him at the time that that would be the sticking point everyone would run with. I don't even feel like that's the part of it that has offended him at all.

I bet Taylor's woken up on a few mornings this week and wanted to rewind all this back a week or so. Farahs not the pushover that JT thought.

Thanks Jirskyr,
Not sure what your point was, but thanks anyway

Gary Bakerloo already commented on a similar thing you said, that JT "took on the wrong player".

Do you really think coach and club made this decision because they thought it would be easy, because they thought Farah would meekly submit?

 

[NT_Tiger]

round and round in circles ive explained it several times
:deadhorse:

Thats how I felt earlier today and withdrew my post. Waste of time. A Merry-Go-Round of dead horses.

 

[bobo125]

last night on the FS, piggy and fatmun went on to say that the reserve grade threat was disgraceful.
Vautin then asked farah point blank - did they say - if you decide to stay you will be playing reserve grade.
He answered - yes.

that should once and for all address the fact it is now no longer hearsay.

being that its context falls into a legal argument, Farah wouldnt say anything that would bring him unstuck in a legal environment and equally, the club would have come out and stated - categorically we di not say that.

Actually bobo, it's still hearsay until Farah makes such a statement in court, under oath. Farah can make whatever statements he pleases in the media, true or not, because he is not subject to perjury.

I am not doubting the veracity of what Farah is saying, but until he makes such a statement in court, it is hearsay.

Personally I don't think it matters whether or not anyone at WT told Farah he'd be playing reserve grade next season. Were it to go to court, the coach can easily state: "We feel Robbie's form is not good enough to justify his continued selection in first grade. This is especially true with the continued good form of our other hooker Manaia Cherrington. That is why we advised Robbie that he would likely play reserve grade next year. Robbie will remain in our Top 25 contracted players for the next two years, but his inclusion in the first-grade side will be considered on a week-to-week basis, as for every other player on our roster."

Hearsay is an out of court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted. In other words, hearsay is evidence of a statement that was made other than by a witness while testifying at the hearing in question and that is offered to prove the truth of the matter stated. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/hearsay-evidence.html#sthash.6R9BSK2m.dpuf

i agree with you in regards to what you think JT could say if it went to court / re playing reserves.
I actually think thats all he needed to say from the start if he wanted to punt Farah.

i have been trying to address the fact or hotly disputed comment of "if you dont go, you will play reserves"

thats the part of all this back and forth hearsay, this court that court … that seems to bogging people down.

a club, a coach, an organsiation can have what ever vision or plan or team they want.
they can punt who ever they want whenever they want.
they just have to do it legally.
Demoting someone because they wont leave is not legal.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Farah is trying to play smart , he knows if he lets this play out in the media he wins the popularity contest.

But ultimately he will lose this , there is no turning back now , he won't be at the WT's after seeing that interview

I think he needed to come out and say that despite everything he still wanted to reconcile with the WT's , to leave that door even slightly ajar

He has painted himself into a corner now

He's already said at least twice now that there's no problem with Taylor , from his side, and he can work with him without a problem .
The first time I heard that was at the presser , after the Warriors game, And he was sitting right next to Taylor when he said it. What more does he have to say.
No need to say that Taylor looked straight ahead and said nothing, so who's not interested in reconciling????

Robbie does say a lot of things to get his own way. It was his camp who leaked this despite asking for commercial in confidence to occur through the process until things broke down.

People on this board have their views and will believe what they want.

My view is Robbie is a huge reason why we are in this mess because of his undermining and wanting to have everything his own way. He knows the Balmain side will always support him hence Harry now involved.

In what business does a sponsor get involved to decide who is or isn't on the roster unless the club asks them too? That alone shows undermined mentality and direction of how things are running whilst highlights how much work this club needs to do to start leading rather than listening to everyone's opinion on things.

Clear structure, roles, performance metrics followed by reviews are required and the only way to start this is clean out the dead wood and start fresh.

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Apparently Rugby League teams. Perhaps you should call Harry and convey your disapproval that he's getting/got involved . As his opinion in his interview was that it's "silly "to let our best players go. I would suspect that he may have a different view to the coach and the board, but all I know is what was in his interview, but he's certainly involved or getting involved.

And if the CEO and board are serious they would be telling him to stay out of player management matters.

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[Tigermama]

I wonder whether the board was in on the decision of JT to tell Robbie if he didn't move on next year he will be in Reggie's. This seems to be the major bone of contention, if JT has gone out on a limb and said that off his own bat he's position is almost untenable.
I'm also wondering if this is the basis of the speculated legal action from Robbie.
IMO if that statement had not been made this sh*t storm isn't anywhere near as bad, players ask and get told to explore their options all the time without all this fiasco.

There's more to this then meets the eye, dear Dr. Watson. :ugeek:

 

[bobo125]

And if the CEO and board are serious they would be telling him to stay out of player management matters.

hahahaha, id actually think that most of the people on the board are in awe of harry or are simply just scared to death of their careers in their real worlds.
you dont tell a billionaire - regardless of anything - to mind your own business. lol.

 

[Tigermama]

There has been a couple of pages of comments since the footy show segment.

All ive heard is a whole heap of hate and a whole heap of the same old opinions we have heard from each other for the last week now.

Anyone care to mention that Robbie wasnt allowed to talk because of legal reason. Have a very good think about that.

Its way more important than your opinion or agenda.

OMG what a hypocritical and ironic statement….you along with Goldcoast both seem to have been going non stop banging on about this for a week...same old opinions over and over and over, ignoring facts that dont suit you....he brought it on himself the fact he could say nothing, much like he brought all the Tallis crap on himself last year. Its his own choice...not allowed my arse

:unamused:

So much hate.

The story out of the footy show and the most important thing we have seen all week is that he didnt talk. It was talked up as his time to talk but for what ever reason he didnt.

Everyone, including you missed that and went on hating either him or Taylor or the club.

Try some St Johns Wort, perhaps some chamomile tea…

I can vouch for those two herbal teas. They actually do work to help calm you down. I've been drinking litres of the stuff, since this thread started… :laughing:

 

[innsaneink]

How many times has boo boo been proved wrong now?

Good for a laugh

 

[jirskyr]

Demoting someone because they wont leave is not legal.

That's true bobo, and I don't think you've ever been unreasonable in your comments.

My opinion is it is very easy to justify demoting Farah to reserves, and incredibly difficult to challenge in court. Hence if it came to court, WT would argue that they are demoting Farah due to performance and not because he won't leave, that any comments were to tell Farah he would have better first-grade opportunities at another club, because of the decision they'd made on his form.

It's far too easy to justify this and I can't see any way the RLPA or Farah's lawyer could win this case based on a single comment made (or not made) at a single meeting.

So to me, it is irrelevant whether Rod Reddy made this comment, but it seems to be the argument upon which the "Farah is winning the PR battle" is hinged upon.

I don't think there is any argument against Farah is being hardly done by, but I also don't see any decent argument that he is being treated illegally.

 

[fibrodreaming]

There are two relevant points for mine.

Is Robbie the best hooker in the club? Obviously yes,so why get rid of him?
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Is Taylor making use of his skills? Obviously no.So instead of changing his tactics he gets rid of our best player/captain/legend so he can keep his same tactic.

ITS MADNESS!!!!

I have a problem understanding some people’s views of JT’s motives in all this.

It is clear that JT’s future at the club is pretty precarious. A poor season next year and he is probably gone. In fact this is probably his last chance of a head coach position.

Accordingly, you would think that his long term career interests coincide with the interests of the WT and the supporters. We all want success and his long term future depends on it. Without it, his career will crash and burn.

JT seems to believe that his long term interests as a coach are best served by moving Robbie on.

I don’t know if he is right or not. But I do think that he believes that this is our best chance of success.

What I don’t get is why people think he is so obviously wrong.

If the team is clearly better off with Robbie next year; if this so obvious to everyone, then you must be right ghost, JT must be mad. For what other explanation is there for a coach to be so willing to sabotage his own career?

Other explanations put forward are that JT is acting out of spite, ego or envy. I find these explanations unconvincing also.

If JT doesn’t get this right, he will never coach in the NRL again. The stakes are high and it’s hard to believe he would ignore his own long term interests for such petty reasons.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I know that's what your talking about, what I was saying is they've already come out and said he is free to look elsewhere in a statement. **Why could they not address the reserve grade issue also**, it would put most of this to bed. I think the comment Is far more than heresay Farah has stated it many times, not addressing it is going a long way to confirming it.
round and round in circles ive explained it several times

:deadhorse:
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You expressed your opinion and I expressed mine, you don't need to explain anything we are allowed to have differing ones

 

[bobo125]

Demoting someone because they wont leave is not legal.

That's true bobo, and I don't think you've ever been unreasonable in your comments.

My opinion is it is very easy to justify demoting Farah to reserves, and incredibly difficult to challenge in court. Hence if it came to court, WT would argue that they are demoting Farah due to performance and not because he won't leave, that any comments were to tell Farah he would have better first-grade opportunities at another club, because of the decision they'd made on his form.

It's far too easy to justify this and I can't see any way the RLPA or Farah's lawyer could win this case based on a single comment made (or not made) at a single meeting.

So to me, it is irrelevant whether Rod Reddy made this comment, but it seems to be the argument upon which the "Farah is winning the PR battle" is hinged upon.

I don't think there is any argument against Farah is being hardly done by, but I also don't see any decent argument that he is being treated illegally.

i think everyone agrees that its just been managed poorly.
our emotions as fans - mate we just fire up as we should in support of our club and our thoughts - what we know and what we feel is right …. thats not a bad thing.

i honestly think and have always thought, there was a better way to manage farrahs exit.
to be totally honest, i thought he would leave the club as soon as we heard in pre season that JT asked him to sacrifice his AUST jersy.
thats how long i think this has been brewing for.

BUT, like we all know, telling farrah to leave is not new in league.
its happened before to some bigger names than Farrah, and will more than likely happen again in the future.

we just have to agree the sticking point is the comment made.
thats the one thing that has everyone involved on eggshells from past players, to past greats to every man and his dog.

what you and i may think it means or if its legal or not is secondry to the law.
regardless of your job etc etc etc