Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[balmain boy]

It also comes down to whether he wants to effectively retire already or not. I don't think he does. Clubs will make offers, both here and overseas. Maybe not during the season, and they're waiting to get the lowest cost possible. The way this has been portrayed in the media now, the longer it goes on the more 'desperate' we are.

He won't play Origin again. He's simply not up to that standard anymore, and if he's somehow playing NSW Cup, definitely not on form for Origin. It would dictate to every other player in the NRL that Daley doesn't care what your form is like, if you're Daley's mate he'll pick you. Suicide for Daley and the Blues.

While it's said that Robbie's been loyal to us, and he did reject Titans and Eels, he's been at the centre of every drama at the club for a long time. That's no co-incidence.

Farah won't be at the club next season. You don't identify a poison and then just decide, oh well it might be killing us slowly but that's ok. once you identify it, you remove it as soon as you can to avoid any further damage.

The value of a unified team far outweighs however much we end up paying Robbie.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

What's stopping him, digging in his heels, and say I'm not going anywhere.
**I won't play and you still have to pay me**.

Like others I would like to see this resolved in the best possible way, with both parties satisfied with the outcome.

He'd be in breach of contract… Best scenario for the tigers if they have the kahuna's to breach him!

 

[NT_Tiger]

His name is Jason Taylor. We have a team captain etc etc, We had a coach. His name was Mick Potter. We have a team captain etc, We had a coach. His name was Tim Sheens. We have a team captain etc. He is available for hire on the NRL market. Where are the bidders?
Connect the dots.

 

[bobo125]

so while i was on the footy show last night (and apparently still on this forum ) there were some very good insights laid bare.
there was a suggestion that robbie had actually been thinking 2016 could be his last at the club before going OS.
There was also actually a suggestion that players were so much behind their captain that a protest was also considered.
There was also a suggestion that its not just Beau (oops me ) and robbie that have no faith in the coach but a lot of the younger players also.
so my questions today are :
- now that the moral of your younger players has been properly shook by the coach who had lost their respect approx week 7 into this season - how do you get them to perform.
- now that the coach has shown he does not care who you are within the group, the organsation and or the game, how do you get your young guns to fire up for him.
- everything your coach has said hes trying to achieve this year has failed spectacularly
They are on the verge of the wooden spoon
when they have been allowed to play freely - they ahve played well.
- How do you tell your young guns this is a fluke and the coach knows whats going on
- when past greats, family, other team mates, coaching staff and basically anyone who knows JT is privately telling the young cubs their is no future with JT as their coach - how do you address this as a club.
- when someone like Tedesco flipped to stay at tigers because of robbie is watching this unfold, what do you seriously think is going through his mind. (did anyone see his utter disdain for JT in the sheds during half time - he brushed him so obviously - that should have sent alarm bells ringing)
- whether you like him personally or not, robbie has a lot of support from the greater NRL community. all of whom are commenting on what a "baffling" decision this is.

some people want to talk about - hes not worth 900K this late in his career.
But if he goes, the club still pays a large percentage of that.
some people want to forget the reason hes on that amount is because of the unders he took earlier to provide relief for their cap.

Im not a super fan of Robbie personally, but im a fan of showing absolute respect towards your team as a principle component of building a successful environment where everyones wants to come. everyone wants to perform, everyone wants to get better and everyone trusts and supports their coach.
currently you have none of this solely because of the actions of one person. the coach.

i applaud Laurie Daely for publicly stating what he has.
whether you like daely or not - he sits pretty high on the NRL totem pole when it comes to how seriously his opinion is taken and considered.

Robbie to play in reserve grade next year will actually be a very very good move for this club !

 

[NT_Tiger]

Lots of suggestions. If i see a protest involving most of the WT playing group backing Farah, against Taylor I will believe it. If the players stand up and say this is a big mistake, Taylor can't coach, I'll believe it. They can sack Taylor and install Farah as captain/coach.
We had a coach last year didn't we? What happened to him? Gordon Tallis said something about Farah saying He couldn't coach.
Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[supercoach]

Their is a lot more to this than just salary cap,but by moving Farah on they will achieve some salary cap relief.

I think it is pretty obvious their is and has been a rift between the coach and Farah, so one has to go. You can not have you captain and your no9 at loggerheads with the coach. Now in the past when a similar situation has happened the club has stuck firm with Farah and moved on the coach and that has not achieved a thing so now they have gone the other way.

Of course the club is taking a massive risk of getting the playing group,the punters,the sponsors,player managers,you name it all offside, but when your coming last and have been under achieving for a long time I guess the risks are worth it

I agree with most of what you say but are you sure that this will get the playing group offside? Kent reported that Farah was offside with at least some of the playing group.

Iam just guessing, Robbie is a prickly sort of character, I would think he would have a few people who dislike him and quite a few who think he a great bloke. I do not think you would want to fall out with Robbie

 

[bobo125]

Lots of suggestions. If i see a protest involving most of the WT playing group backing Farah, against Taylor I will believe it. If the players stand up and say this is a big mistake, Taylor can't coach, I'll believe it. They can sack Taylor and install Farah as captain/coach.
We had a coach last year didn't we? What happened to him? Gordon Tallis said something about Farah saying He couldn't coach.
Curiouser and curiouser.

so your a fan of the game and you seriously think young or any players within the group are "publicly" going to say anything ?
come on mate - thats not how these things work.
Aaron woods came out and says "the playing group was completely shocked today".
when your playing, as a professional athlete - you make few if any comments publicly on ANY type of drama.
As per the instructions of the manager - "any problems, concerns, fears, worries etc etc you come to me and we will sort it out for you.

NT tiger - are you a fan of this club ?
do you want the best for this club or are you happy to be on the verge of the wooden spoon for the next 2 years also ?

 

[supercoach]

I thought of a idea from left field, sack Taylor and make Farah coach. Than you will solve all the problems of mutinies against the coach!!!!!

The tactic was used by the company I worked for, if they ever had a problem a union delegate they would promote him or her to management.Worked a treat

 

[hobbo]

I thought of a idea from left field, sack Taylor and make Farah coach. Than you will solve all the problems of mutinies against the coach!!!!!

The tactic was used by the company I worked for, if they ever had a problem a union delegate they would promote him or her to management.Worked a treat

Sounds good in theory , but Farah would have to take a pay cut .
Taylor surely wouldn't be on more than $50 a game !?

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[NT_Tiger]

So the 'suggestion' that the playing group would stage a protest in support of Farah was not genuine, because there's no way they would say anything publicly. Yet that was used as a justification for the argument that Taylor has lost the respect of the playing group.
You ask if I'm happy to be on the verge of the Wooden spoon for the next few years. A more pertinent question is, is the playing group? If they are so concerned by this unfolding situation, I would think they will be shouting their concerns from the highest rooftop, or at the very least discussing them with the CEO.

 

[Pokies]

Any way you look at it, Farah will be paid the agreed amount on his contract.
There is no barrel. The club does not have to accept any offer from another club. If they do accept a ridiculously low bid, it demonstrates just how badly they want him to go. That in itself is not a good look for Farah.
The scenario of Farah staying holds risks for both parties. He has stated that he wants to stay but would now be under no illusion that it would be on his own terms.
I would be pretty surprised to see him in reggies if his performance for the team is of a regular high standard. But it will be under coaches instructions, he won't be running the show and he will probably be sharing the role with Cherrington.
If he does get dropped to reggies, everyone will know why, and that could prove embarrassing and potentially damaging to his playing future.

Whatever happens with Farahs reputation negative or positive really has no bearing on the situation the club now faces. How people view him will not affect the win/loss column for our club over the duration of his final 2 years of contract.
We have a 900k per year player on our books for the next 2 years that the club via press statement and 2 media interviews held by our Coach have advised is surplus to our requirements.
That 900k per year is Wests Tigers responsibility.
Wests Tigers don't hold any leverage at all in these negotiations either so again it will be up to Farah and his management to find a suitable club.
Yes the Wests Tigers can knock back a deal they think is unacceptable but that doesn't solve the problem that they would continue to have with a 900k player on their books that the coach/management/players/toilet cleaner of Wests Tigers or whoever doesn't want.

 

[bobo125]

So the 'suggestion' that the playing group would stage a protest in support of Farah was not genuine, because there's no way they would say anything publicly. Yet that was used as a justification for the argument that Taylor has lost the respect of the playing group.
You ask if I'm happy to be on the verge of the Wooden spoon for the next few years. A more pertinent question is, is the playing group? If they are so concerned by this unfolding situation, I would think they will be shouting their concerns from the highest rooftop, or at the very least discussing them with the CEO.

ok i completely understand now that you really have no understanding of how professional sporting environments work.
its ok mate. youre not alone. keep hoping this mess will sort itself out and everything is fine and dandy amongst your young roster.
its all good. your team under this coaches guidance will continue to be a major success in the NRL competition.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I acknowledge and agree with that 'pokies'. I should have been more clear in my initial sentence. It is my assumption that WT will have to account for most of the contract cost unless Superleague jumps in.

 

[cunno]

I thought of a idea from left field, sack Taylor and make Farah coach. Than you will solve all the problems of mutinies against the coach!!!!!

The tactic was used by the company I worked for, if they ever had a problem a union delegate they would promote him or her to management.Worked a treat

Captain coach maybe.

 

[fibrodreaming]

So the 'suggestion' that the playing group would stage a protest in support of Farah was not genuine, because there's no way they would say anything publicly. Yet that was used as a justification for the argument that Taylor has lost the respect of the playing group.
You ask if I'm happy to be on the verge of the Wooden spoon for the next few years. A more pertinent question is, is the playing group? If they are so concerned by this unfolding situation, I would think they will be shouting their concerns from the highest rooftop, or at the very least discussing them with the CEO.

ok i completely understand now that you really have no understanding of how professional sporting environments work.
its ok mate. youre not alone. keep hoping this mess will sort itself out and everything is fine and dandy amongst your young roster.
its all good. your team under this coaches guidance will continue to be a major success in the NRL competition.

So you are saying that we should keep Robbie and sack the coach. Which is what we did last year (kept Robbie and sacked Potter). And, before that, we kept Robbie and Benji, and sacked Sheens. That all worked well didn't it.

 

[NT_Tiger]

….........ok i completely understand now that you really have no understanding of how professional sporting environments work.
its ok mate. youre not alone. keep hoping this mess will sort itself out and everything is fine and dandy amongst your young roster.
its all good. your team under this coaches guidance will continue to be a major success in the NRL competition.

Nice sidestep.
At no point did I say everything was 'fine and dandy" amongst the roster. I merely questioned your assertion that there were big problems between the coach and players. I actually said, that I'd like to see a player protest if the coach is really the problem as you have claimed. But of course that was an ignorant thing to say because I don't have your level of understanding of professional sporting environments.
I suppose I'll just have to accept your superior knowledge and understanding of this situation at face value and stop questioning the situation. Thank you for your valuable insights. Looks like we're about to see a mass exodus of the playing roster, or maybe a backflip and they'll sack Taylor instead. That would be cheaper. I wonder why management didn't think of that?

 

[bobo125]

….........ok i completely understand now that you really have no understanding of how professional sporting environments work.
its ok mate. youre not alone. keep hoping this mess will sort itself out and everything is fine and dandy amongst your young roster.
its all good. your team under this coaches guidance will continue to be a major success in the NRL competition.

Nice sidestep.
At no point did I say everything was 'fine and dandy" amongst the roster. I merely questioned your assertion that there were big problems between the coach and players. I actually said, that I'd like to see a player protest if the coach is really the problem as you have claimed. But of course that was an ignorant thing to say because I don't have your level of understanding of professional sporting environments.
I suppose I'll just have to accept your superior knowledge and understanding of this situation at face value and stop questioning the situation. Thank you for your valuable insights. Looks like we're about to see a mass exodus of the playing roster, or maybe a backflip and they'll sack Taylor instead. That would be cheaper. I wonder why management didn't think of that?

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

 

[NT_Tiger]

No worries bobo. Hi ho silver!

 

[Pokies]

I acknowledge and agree with that 'pokies'. I should have been more clear in my initial sentence. It is my assumption that WT will have to account for most of the contract cost unless Superleague jumps in.

Thanks for clarifying NT Tiger.

Super league is definitely looking likely to be the best outcome from the Clubs standpoint re. cap relief.
Though I presume Farah feels differently especially with Daley's comments yesterday regarding origin (wont be considered if playing in England).

 

[NT_Tiger]

I acknowledge and agree with that 'pokies'. I should have been more clear in my initial sentence. It is my assumption that WT will have to account for most of the contract cost unless Superleague jumps in.

Thanks for clarifying NT Tiger.

Super league is definitely looking likely to be the best outcome from the Clubs standpoint re. cap relief.
Though I presume Farah feels differently especially with Daley's comments yesterday regarding origin (wont be considered if playing in England).

If Farah's manager is worth his pay he'll be doing overtime behind the scenes on this sorting out likely scenarios. A lot of water will flow under the bridge before origin and Daley may not be thinking the same come selection time next year. It will be a tough decision for Farah and I wish him the best outcome.