Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[supercoach]

Their is a lot more to this than just salary cap,but by moving Farah on they will achieve some salary cap relief.

I think it is pretty obvious their is and has been a rift between the coach and Farah, so one has to go. You can not have you captain and your no9 at loggerheads with the coach. Now in the past when a similar situation has happened the club has stuck firm with Farah and moved on the coach and that has not achieved a thing so now they have gone the other way.

Of course the club is taking a massive risk of getting the playing group,the punters,the sponsors,player managers,you name it all offside, but when your coming last and have been under achieving for a long time I guess the risks are worth it

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Isnt this the same Laurie Daley who kept on picking Ennis because he said Robbie wasnt tough enough for Origin????

I thought that was Stuart?

Daley was a selector at the time IIRC.

 

[NT_Tiger]

….....It is embarrassing for the club to compromise the selection process by suggesting to a player you will play reserve grade if you chose to stay at a club. Now you make think this is reasonable but I am sure the average supporter would come to the conclusion this is not fair play especially when you are dealing with a player of Farah's profile. Resorting to this tactic is the last bastion of the scoundrel which is consistent with Taylor's history.

From my point of view this whole thing about Farah being told he might find himself in reggies is a non issue. If it is embarrassing to anyone it would be so to Farah. If I were him, I wouldn't have admitted that publicly because it draws attention to the elephant in the room. He has not been performing at the expected level.
Does anyone know the context of what was said? Did Taylor say; If you stay next year you will be stuck in reggies, or did he say; If you stay and your performance does not improve, you will find yourself in reggies (IE Taylor wanting to save Farah embarrassment)(Maybe Taylor has been reading this forum re rewarding non performance!), or did he say; My plan is to give Cherrington more game time and if you stay you will find yourself playing in reggies? It's my bet that what was said more closely resembled one of the second or third options and was unlikely to be the first.
Maybe the average supporter thinks that because of Farah's profile he should not be subject to performance scrutiny.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Their is a lot more to this than just salary cap,but by moving Farah on they will achieve some salary cap relief.

I think it is pretty obvious their is and has been a rift between the coach and Farah, so one has to go. You can not have you captain and your no9 at loggerheads with the coach. Now in the past when a similar situation has happened the club has stuck firm with Farah and moved on the coach and that has not achieved a thing so now they have gone the other way.

Of course the club is taking a massive risk of getting the playing group,the punters,the sponsors,player managers,you name it all offside, but when your coming last and have been under achieving for a long time I guess the risks are worth it

I agree with most of what you say but are you sure that this will get the playing group offside? Kent reported that Farah was offside with at least some of the playing group.

 

[Pokies]

Other NRL clubs know once again they have the Wests Tigers over a barrel.
Even if they had the space to pick up 400-500k why would they? WTs have no bargaining power at all, they have made it clear that they don't want Farah for the next year and will be moving on without him. We have no options.

Expect Ayoub to walk into concord within in the next few weeks and say club x,y,z (who will be a genuine premiership contender of farahs choice) from the NRL is interested but they will only pick up 100k of his contract. WTs will have no option than to accept such a terrible deal and carry the remaining 800k or whatever it his on their books for the next 2 years while another club gets the benefit of an origin class player at a cut price rate.

Now if for some reason the club denies Farah that move then how badly is that going to explode in our faces? Our head coach has already come and shown our hand to the media by saying he won't be a part of our plans next year. What type of affect will it have on next years playing squad with Farah hanging around and not playing. The media will be ramming it down our throats after every loss. We have backed ourselves into a corner with no way out. Unless Taylor and the board come out and do a backflip of Olympic diving quality and accept him as part of the roster, though I'm sure the relationship with Farah and JT/WTs management is well past repairable after this.

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[foreveratiger]

Other NRL clubs know once again they have the Wests Tigers over a barrel.
Even if they had the space to pick up 400-500k why would they? WTs have no bargaining power at all, they have made it clear that they don't want Farah for the next year and will be moving on without him. We have no options.

Expect Ayoub to walk into concord within in the next few weeks and say club x,y,z (who will be a genuine premiership contender of farahs choice) from the NRL is interested but they will only pick up 100k of his contract. WTs will have no option than to accept such a terrible deal and carry the remaining 800k or whatever it his on their books for the next 2 years while another club gets the benefit of an origin class player at a cut price rate.

Now if for some reason the club denies Farah that move then how badly is that going to explode in our faces? Our head coach has already come and shown our hand to the media by saying he won't be a part of our plans next year. What type of affect will it have on next years playing squad with Farah hanging around and not playing. The media will be ramming it down our throats after every loss. We have backed ourselves into a corner with no way out. Unless Taylor and the board come out and do a backflip of Olympic diving quality and accept him as part of the roster, though I'm sure the relationship with Farah and JT/WTs management is well past repairable after this.

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Exactly .
The Club has given themselves no option but to except whatever offer comes there way , cause there main goal seems to get Farah out of the Club at all cost….by there Ultimatiums .

Whoever may come along and say will take him for X amount of dollars whatever that might be ? Like you said Pokies the Club will look like tools and the media will pump them for keeping Farah at the Wests Tigers but not playing him.
It took them all year to work out that Farah isn't valued in our side and the timing of it all is apalling.

There is no way if your a player from any other Club you would come to the Wests Tigers , what is it appealing about it ?

# That the NRL is loaning one side of the Joint Venture?
# The Club is in turmoil ?
# Not honouring players Contracts and pushing them away ( Galloway, Farah , Lawrence )
# A Clueless Coach who doesn't demand respect from his players
# A team that is nothing but POTENTIAL with halves still learning the ropes of the NRL
# Salary Cap issues that seem years away from fixing .
# No money to buy Marquee players.

It's a no brainer really if your a player from another Club , the only thing that would be appealing in coming to the Wests Tigers is players from other Clubs who would like a chance in 1st Grade but are struggling with there Clubs to get a crack in 1st Grade , then yes to get a chance in 1st Grade and expose yourself in the NRL.

 

[innsaneink]

As if the fact we are unappealing to prospective recruits is a new phenomenon… It's been this way for a long time but carry on with the dramatics

 

[NT_Tiger]

Any way you look at it, Farah will be paid the agreed amount on his contract.
There is no barrel. The club does not have to accept any offer from another club. If they do accept a ridiculously low bid, it demonstrates just how badly they want him to go. That in itself is not a good look for Farah.
The scenario of Farah staying holds risks for both parties. He has stated that he wants to stay but would now be under no illusion that it would be on his own terms.
I would be pretty surprised to see him in reggies if his performance for the team is of a regular high standard. But it will be under coaches instructions, he won't be running the show and he will probably be sharing the role with Cherrington.
If he does get dropped to reggies, everyone will know why, and that could prove embarrassing and potentially damaging to his playing future.

 

[foreveratiger]

Daley has been picking reserve graders for years :smiley:

If Taylor has the kahunas to drop him, the ego of R Farah wouldn't survive a week before he walked out on his contract.

Now, whether Taylor has enough friends on his team to actually make that decision, only time will tell.

Reserve Graders for years :laughing:, fancy coming from you :wink: :laughing:

 

[Tigerdave]

Any way you look at it, Farah will be paid the agreed amount on his contract.
There is no barrel. The club does not have to accept any offer from another club. If they do accept a ridiculously low bid, it demonstrates just how badly they want him to go. That in itself is not a good look for Farah.
The scenario of Farah staying holds risks for both parties. He has stated that he wants to stay but would now be under no illusion that it would be on his own terms.
**I would be pretty surprised to see him in reggies if his performance for the team is of a regular high standard. But it will be under coaches instructions, he won't be running the show and he will probably be sharing the role with Cherrington.**
If he does get dropped to reggies, everyone will know why, and that could prove embarrassing and potentially damaging to his playing future.

you would imagine that would be the case, if he stays and that's probably looking likely since other clubs don't appear to be clamoring at the gates to sign him, I can't see him playing in the lower grades if his form is there for 1st grade.

 

[NT_Tiger]

….........It took them all year to work out that Farah isn't valued in our side and the timing of it all is apalling.

How do you know this? It has been reported that there is a rift between Farah and at least some of the playing group. It may well be that for most of the season Taylor was prepared to continue try to work with Farah and some recent catalyst forced him to review that. How do you know that the disaffected players didn't approach Taylor and ask him to deal with it?
The timing does appear odd, but who is to say that it wasn't Farah's own actions that recently forced the clubs hand? I don't know, but I'm not going to make grand assumptions about it.
It appears to me that many people are selectively focussing on little bits of information, that suit their already held point of view, in order to demonise Taylor. This, instead of looking at the whole of what has been reported to gain a holistic view of the situation.
Does anybody really believe that the decision to offer Farah the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere was made lightly?

 

[foreveratiger]

….........It took them all year to work out that Farah isn't valued in our side and the timing of it all is apalling.

How do you know this? It has been reported that there is a rift between Farah and at least some of the playing group. It may well be that for most of the season Taylor was prepared to continue try to work with Farah and some recent catalyst forced him to review that. How do you know that the disaffected players didn't approach Taylor and ask him to deal with it?
The timing does appear odd, but who is to say that it wasn't Farah's own actions that recently forced the clubs hand? I don't know, but I'm not going to make grand assumptions about it.
It appears to me that many people are selectively focussing on little bits of information, that suit their already held point of view, in order to demonise Taylor. This, instead of looking at the whole of what has been reported to gain a holistic view of the situation.
Does anybody really believe that the decision to offer Farah the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere was made lightly?

You want to write me a book while your at it. Says more about Taylor's Coaching with the timing of it all.

 

[phil1986]

….........It took them all year to work out that Farah isn't valued in our side and the timing of it all is apalling.

How do you know this? It has been reported that there is a rift between Farah and at least some of the playing group. It may well be that for most of the season Taylor was prepared to continue try to work with Farah and some recent catalyst forced him to review that. How do you know that the disaffected players didn't approach Taylor and ask him to deal with it?
The timing does appear odd, but who is to say that it wasn't Farah's own actions that recently forced the clubs hand? I don't know, but I'm not going to make grand assumptions about it.
It appears to me that many people are selectively focussing on little bits of information, that suit their already held point of view, in order to demonise Taylor. This, instead of looking at the whole of what has been reported to gain a holistic view of the situation.
Does anybody really believe that the decision to offer Farah the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere was made lightly?

I have heard some strong information, from a very close source, However I won't give away the exact specifics, as it narrows it down too fine.

However what I can tell you:
-Farah has blaintly disregarding the coaches instructions in certain games.
-instructions were sent out in a game, and he relayed to the trainer '[This word has been automatically removed] off im not doing that'.
- he was then asked to leave the field by the coach, which he declined.
- one of those games was the penrith game, where Lovett got slaughtered in the centres. And was related to the defensive structure of the team. The coach did attempt to fix the problem, however the captain didn't comply.

I never once heard JT bring this up publicly, he has kept everything behind closed doors.

But as you can see if you have watched Paul Kent or even Fatty last night. They have heard Similiar things.

It's not all about money, it's about the team, and if you have a player, who won't listen to you, and is undermining you, what would you do?

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[Tim Sheens]

….....It is embarrassing for the club to compromise the selection process by suggesting to a player you will play reserve grade if you chose to stay at a club. Now you make think this is reasonable but I am sure the average supporter would come to the conclusion this is not fair play especially when you are dealing with a player of Farah's profile. Resorting to this tactic is the last bastion of the scoundrel which is consistent with Taylor's history.

From my point of view this whole thing about Farah being told he might find himself in reggies is a non issue. If it is embarrassing to anyone it would be so to Farah. If I were him, I wouldn't have admitted that publicly because it draws attention to the elephant in the room. He has not been performing at the expected level.
Does anyone know the context of what was said? Did Taylor say; If you stay next year you will be stuck in reggies, or did he say; If you stay and your performance does not improve, you will find yourself in reggies (IE Taylor wanting to save Farah embarrassment)(Maybe Taylor has been reading this forum re rewarding non performance!), or did he say; My plan is to give Cherrington more game time and if you stay you will find yourself playing in reggies? It's my bet that what was said more closely resembled one of the second or third options and was unlikely to be the first.
Maybe the average supporter thinks that because of Farah's profile he should not be subject to performance scrutiny.

Pretty well my take and probably very close to the truth, with the club/Taylor taking it on the chin so as not to be looked upon as attacking Farah.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Thanks 'phil1986'.
I've been in a similar situation at work. That completely destroys team function. If true, WT actions are completely justified and there will be no sympathy from me. Anyone else who has been in the shoes will identify with that.

 

[Newtown]

A Conductor cannot conduct his orchestra if the orchestra's Lead Musician is always out of tune.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

I don't think this fiasco is of Taylor's making(directly that is) and also its got very little to do with salary cap,the timing with 1 game to go and the confirmation that the Board not only doesn't want him at the club but also they don't want him in the 1st grade squad obviously means there has been a major drama.
Rumours he had approached Souths directly(not thru Ayoub) to replace Luke are probaly close to the mark otherwise its a action of something similar for the Board to cut all ties,its not something they would do lightly.
I also think Ayoub is in damage control and i don't believe his version of events.
More twists & turns to come i guess,what a mess.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/robbie-farahs-manager-sam-ayoub-had-discussed-his-tigers-departure-with-the-club-for-past-three-weeks/story-e6frf3wu-1227500168643

 

[TrueTiger]

It is obvious that within this thread that there is plenty of speculation,innuendos and some facts….
There is support for Robbie,the new Board and Taylor....and there is non support for Robbie,the new board and Taylor....people are giving two sides to this story and being a forum each is entitled to their opinion,wether in favour or against..

However,from what I have seen within this thread,is more times than not,there is the arguement that the relationship between Robbie and Taylor is very much so strained..

phil1986 has quoted some points that he has heard that have strained the said relationship...
I mentioned something earlier that was said to me.....

Stepping back and taking my WTs members glasses off...I can see a common denominator within this thread....
Having suffered through the Sheens and Potter debacles of recent years and still remaining a passionate supporter of this club,even with salary cap and financial strains,I have constantly supported the players,coaches and Administrators...
As this is a very touchy subject at the moment I still feel the need to say,that in my honest opinion and as much as I have supported and admired Robbie in his early years with us,he appears to be the centre of nearly every drama associated with us recently....

Clearly my observations are that,Robbie is a highly paid player and captain of this team,his role is to lead the team on and off the field ...he answers to the coach and takes directions from him,the coach has been employed by the club for that role and he is the boss....

I have had the utmost respect for all our players while they are employed by our club.....
I have had the utmost respect for all the coaches we have had while the are employed by our club...

If each person does their job within their specified role,then the team and club should move forward in a positive direction.......

We are clearly going backwards,it is obvious that people are not doing their specific role to the fullest ......If Taylor cannot get this team to a reasonable position by mid next season,say at about 10/11th and playing a much more professional game,then he must be re- evaluated and possibly shown the door....

I don't know what Robbie is going to do,but he has been involved apparently with more than the captains job,getting involved with recruiting etc...when we clearly have an operations of football manager..
Now I don't know if some have had their noses put out of joint by Robbie and this is the result of the hard decisions now taking place or it is salary related as the main point....

I have said earlier,that I will wait and see what eventuates,who is being truthful and who is not..the Truth will eventually come out......

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Thanks 'phil1986'.
I've been in a similar situation at work. That completely destroys team function. If true, WT actions are completely justified and there will be no sympathy from me. Anyone else who has been in the shoes will identify with that.

We have a team captain who is experienced, intelligent and the current Blues Hooker, We have a coach with a questionable coaching record (I'm being very kind) and equally questionable off-field record of behaviour (again I'm being very kind). Join the dots and see the issue. Taylor's only answer is to move him on rather than the club holding Taylor accountable for his coaching.

 

[westTAHger]

What's stopping him, digging in his heels, and say I'm not going anywhere.
I won't play and you still have to pay me.

Like others I would like to see this resolved in the best possible way, with both parties satisfied with the outcome.