Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[stevetiger]

There hasn't been 3 coaches in the last 4 yrs, is that what you're saying GCT?

You are spinning this. Its a non-issue and you are trying to make it into an issue.

How is it a non issue….
How many of the other clubs have had the same?

I'll explain why it is a non-issue. Coaches get sacked all the time. We had a long time with Sheens as head coach and that was possibly too long. Then we had Potter for 2 years and his contract wasn't renewed. Now we have had JT for a year out of his 3 year contract.

Sheens was the only one sacked and he was there for a long time.

So the premise that we have a revolving door of coaches is firstly incorrect.

Then the conclusion of the premise is also incorrect. The conclusion is that we won't be able to get a decent coach. I think that Sheens was top notch. There aren't many coaches with better records. We then had Potter who came from the ESL and was highly credentialled. We now have Taylor and that was a choice out of a couple of options.

It seems to me that coaches that are outside of a NRL job are lining up to coach us.

If the best option is to sack JT we should do it. We will get another coach. If we are being honest JT has been hopeless. It would be hard to get someone worse. I'm not stating sack him because I'm optimistic that he has learned from his mistakes and hopefully we will improve a lot but no one should be concerned about sacking JT if it is the right thing to do.

 

[supercoach]

Rotating Jake Granville and Rory Kosjacyn seemed to work for the Cowboys this year. Wonder if similar results could be achieved by doing likewise with Farah and Ballin.

No comparison, Granville is young and quick as a flash,Kosjacyn is also not slow and both are playing behind a forward pack that is making forward progress. Fa ah and Balin are both excellent no9s,but as a combo no way,the game has changed you need speed and a dominant forward pack…without that your history

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm not spinning anything. if Taylor gets sacked like so many want, that will be 4 coaches in 5 yrs, that's a fact. Doesn't matter how many coaches we had before that. Maybe the people that disagree are spinning it. What other reason would people have to deny facts?

 

[ghost]

Fact….only Sheens was sacked.

 

[batboy]

There hasn't been 3 coaches in the last 4 yrs, is that what you're saying GCT?

You are spinning this. Its a non-issue and you are trying to make it into an issue.

How is it a non issue….
How many of the other clubs have had the same?

I'll explain why it is a non-issue. Coaches get sacked all the time. We had a long time with Sheens as head coach and that was possibly too long. Then we had Potter for 2 years and his contract wasn't renewed. Now we have had JT for a year out of his 3 year contract.

Sheens was the only one sacked and he was there for a long time.

So the premise that we have a revolving door of coaches is firstly incorrect.

Then the conclusion of the premise is also incorrect. The conclusion is that we won't be able to get a decent coach. I think that Sheens was top notch. There aren't many coaches with better records. We then had Potter who came from the ESL and was highly credentialled. We now have Taylor and that was a choice out of a couple of options.

It seems to me that coaches that are outside of a NRL job are lining up to coach us.

If the best option is to sack JT we should do it. We will get another coach. If we are being honest JT has been hopeless. It would be hard to get someone worse. I'm not stating sack him because I'm optimistic that he has learned from his mistakes and hopefully we will improve a lot but no one should be concerned about sacking JT if it is the right thing to do.

3 Coaches in 4 Years IS a revolving door of coaches….
Justify it to yourself however you like!!

3 in 4 is exactly that.

 

[Shaneandmaddy]

About all the coaching changes.

Australia has had 6 changes of Prime Minister since 2007.

If it's good for the PM of Australia to change hands so often, it shouldn't worry any potential future coaches of the Wests Tigers if offered the coaching position

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Yes, I'm glad you mention this because the news.com.au article on the previous page states this -

"Tigers coach Jason Taylor recently said he and Farah had worked through the majority of their issues. While that might be Taylor’s take on their relationship, it is hard to see how Farah could possibly view that as the case **given the disrespect the club has shown him in recent months**."

No doubt Pascoe has considered moving Taylor sideways into a lesser position, sort of like Farah giving up the captaincy, so a new coach can be appointed.

A news ltd journo's opinion is now fact?
Someone asked in a thread why do these journos write do much crap? Here is your answer.

No that only happens if he was being critical of Farah Or his manager,
there'd be a few here who would nominate him for a Walkley Award for doing that :roll
Hypocrisy is alive and well

Please point out where I have quoted the opinion of any journo and passed it off as fact.

I didn't say you did. I was referring to "a news limited journo's opinion is now fact

I only pointed out that to a lot here, all journalists are crap. But if they write an article condemning Farah in any way , All of a sudden they are excellent members of the press

 

[gallagher]

Hey GCT,apparently JT has said he and Farah have worked through most of their issues…
As far as I'm concerned Taylor is the coach..Farah is the player and I don't care how long he has been here...coach is the boss,irrespective of your opinion of him which we are all familiar with...if Robbie can't be told he is playing reserve grade if his form justifies it,then that's what has to happen...I couldn't careless what a club legend he has been..he has been paid big money for to long..."familiarity breeds contempt"..not a bad old saying...

Ha, JT says a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are correct. Perhaps what he actually said was lost in the translation. In any event, our new CEO is so taken with JT's off the cuff and scripted interviews that he has slapped a media ban on him. Imagine an NRL coach not having permission to speak to the media! Now that is just downright embarrassing and must be hard for the ego to take.

Thats according to a journo isn't it? Unless i missed something official.

 

[Russell]

Fact….only Sheens was sacked.

I think you'll find he said -

**"if Taylor gets sacked like so many want, that will be 4 coaches in 5 yrs,"**

He didn't say 4 sacked coaches from my reading.

 

[tigerap]

Hey GCT,apparently JT has said he and Farah have worked through most of their issues…
As far as I'm concerned Taylor is the coach..Farah is the player and I don't care how long he has been here...coach is the boss,irrespective of your opinion of him which we are all familiar with...if Robbie can't be told he is playing reserve grade if his form justifies it,then that's what has to happen...I couldn't careless what a club legend he has been..he has been paid big money for to long..."familiarity breeds contempt"..not a bad old saying...

Ha, JT says a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are correct. Perhaps what he actually said was lost in the translation. In any event, our new CEO is so taken with JT's off the cuff and scripted interviews that he has slapped a media ban on him. Imagine an NRL coach not having permission to speak to the media! Now that is just downright embarrassing and must be hard for the ego to take.

Thats according to a journo isn't it? Unless i missed something official.

Keeping away from the media is a good thing ATM…they are on a feeding frenzy with the WT

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Fact….only Sheens was sacked.

And that changes the amount of coaches in that short period how?

 

[Pokies]

There hasn't been 3 coaches in the last 4 yrs, is that what you're saying GCT?

You are spinning this. Its a non-issue and you are trying to make it into an issue.

How is it a non issue….
How many of the other clubs have had the same?

I found that an interesting question so went and had a look at all the clubs coaches since the beginning of 2012, and found the following clubs had a minimum of 3:

Wests Tigers - Sheens, Potter + Taylor
Parramatta - Stephen Kearney, Brad Arthur + Ricky Stuart
NZ Warriors - Brian McClennan, Tony Iro, Matthew Elliott + Andrew McFadden
Newcastle - Wayne Bennett, Rick Stone + Danny Buderas
Cronulla - Shane Flanagan, Peter Sharp + Jamie Shepherd
Canberra - David Furner, Andrew Dunemann + Ricky Stuart

Surprisingly 6 out of 16 seems pretty high though if you take out the coaches that just took over in a caretakers role during the season you are left with only us, Parra + NZ.

 

[TrueTiger]

Fact….only Sheens was sacked.

And that changes the amount of coaches in that short period how?

GNR….I agree with what you are saying and I can see what it will eventuate to....instability within the club once again...and everyone said we NEED STABILITY from Admin through to playing group...it seems to me as we search for stability and harmony,we dig a deeper hole of dispair....communication and hard decisions must be made otherwise we will continue to have a club full of opinionated people not getting on with the job they were employed to do...surely for adults put in charge of a big business,they can at least act like they are competent people and get the right job done....as always my good friend GNR,we will have people who want everything done and us winning the premiership yesterday....it won't happen within this environment at the WTs until hard decisions and actions have taken place..

 

[hammertime]

Let me say had Pascoe been in charge, a negotiated settlement would have resulted in a win win for both parties. Farah would no doubt have been treated with the utmost respect having regard to his service to the club and his standing as the NSW SOO hooker and club captain.

Firstly, you can't say that. Who knows how Pascoe would have handled it? It seems as though Chris Lawrence has negotiated a rejig of his contract. Why couldn't Robbie do the same?

Being threatened with NSW Cup, the part time training squad, being left out of leadership meetings and the signing of Ballin would no doubt be viewed by Farah as disloyalty and a lack of respect. In addition, being told this very late in the season, in the latter stages of his career while under contract for 2 more years including a significant back loading could no doubt be viewed by many as a lack of respect. Especially so since the player is one of the best ever at WTs.

Where is this part time training squad and left out of leadership meetings coming from? Haven't seen anything suggesting that. Do you have a source?

Also, he wasn't told late in the season. Ayoub was made well aware early on.

The contract structure has nothing to do with it. He could have just QUIETLY stayed put - would have been the end of it. They only opened up the opportunity for him to look around. Thats it. Every senior player effecting the cap was offered EXACTLY the same. But Ayoub and Farah decided to create a circus about it.

You really think that a club signing a 2nd hooker and a NSW cup suggestion is a lack of respect? Firstly, let me emphasize that BOTH of these happened after Robbie/Ayoub started disrespecting the club by leaking to the media. However, that aside, I see both those actions as a coach trying to get us off the spoon by creating a competitive environment.

The fact that people see it as disrespect is the problem with this club. No one in the playing group should be not accountable for poor attitude, poor form or in robbies case, both.

 

[ghost]

We all want stablity.

No one wants to keep turning over coaches.

Do those who want JT to stay honetly think he did a good job this year.

I saw us play a lot less footy and IMO go backwards as a team.

This showed on the ladder with our equal last too.

 

[ghost]

Fact….only Sheens was sacked.

I think you'll find he said -

**"if Taylor gets sacked like so many want, that will be 4 coaches in 5 yrs,"**

He didn't say 4 sacked coaches from my reading.

True,i was referring more to the inference that we are punting coached left right and centre which is not exactly true.

 

[The_Tooth]

Rotating Jake Granville and Rory Kosjacyn seemed to work for the Cowboys this year. Wonder if similar results could be achieved by doing likewise with Farah and Ballin.

No comparison, Granville is young and quick as a flash,Kosjacyn is also not slow and both are playing behind a forward pack that is making forward progress. Fa ah and Balin are both excellent no9s,but as a combo no way,the game has changed you need speed and a dominant forward pack…without that your history

I agree, I can't see and reasoning to play both Farah and Ballin in the same team, unless they put Ballin at lock. I can't see him handling that position better than some of the other players in line for #13 and if that happens, imo, it will stink of Taylor trying to justify his signing.

I do believe Cherrington should be on the bench every game to rotate with either Farah or Ballin.
I've always loved the 2 hooker rotation. I think that would be better for his development than playing NSW Cup all year.

 

[magpiecol]

I said I was not coming back to this thread until it reached 500 pages. However, check out today's Telegraph.

Now move on to something else please.

 

[Geo]

I said I was not coming back to this thread until it reached 500 pages. However, check out today's Telegraph.

Now move on to something else please.

Is there somthing of interest in it Col…or the usual rubbish it contains....

 

[TrueTiger]

I said I was not coming back to this thread until it reached 500 pages. However, check out today's Telegraph.

Now move on to something else please.

Is there somthing of interest in it Col…or the usual rubbish it contains....

GEO I think Col might be referring to the Dragons making a late bid for Jack Bird,so I assume Robbie won't be going there…