Rothfield’s weekly dribble

[tigertuff]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

Defence is one thing. How do you explain the pedestrian looking attack that we play with each week. My under 10s footy side used to pass the ball out the back line like they do. They cant even draw and pass (Talau). That stuff should be second nature to these guys. We badly need a footy coach not a motivator.

We have a footy coach ......we need a coachable roster that understand the basics of the game,you know,tackle,support,linespeed and hold the ball.....

So these guys are first grade players and they dont know the basics. That will do me. How did they get there then. All our players offer something to this team in my view but the coach needs to find that balance across the team and coach them to their strengths. He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.
I think we all agree as supporters we can cop a loss as long as they guys are having a crack. We are not getting better as a team and most individuals are not also. That comes back to the coach.

 

[Kelce68]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

One player did miss many tackles but this appalling defence has been there all year. This is Maguire's third year and surely has had sufficient tenure to imprint his defensive structure on the team. Enough with the excuses, it's time for him to go.

Surely? No. He certainly hasn't.

This club was always a 5/6 year proposition from the moment he took over, despite what we want it to be.

3 years to clear the cap.
3 years to repair the culture and reputation.

This is the only way forward to break to cycle of cyclical mediocrity.

He's perpetuating the mediocrity. It is a poor reflection on the club he still is in place.

Can you explain to me how Michael Maguire perpetuates mediocrity?

Specifically.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

One player did miss many tackles but this appalling defence has been there all year. This is Maguire's third year and surely has had sufficient tenure to imprint his defensive structure on the team. Enough with the excuses, it's time for him to go.

Surely? No. He certainly hasn't.

This club was always a 5/6 year proposition from the moment he took over, despite what we want it to be.

3 years to clear the cap.
3 years to repair the culture and reputation.

This is the only way forward to break to cycle of cyclical mediocrity.

He's perpetuating the mediocrity. It is a poor reflection on the club he still is in place.

So three years of this is not enough for you? You want to inflict a further three year on us?

 

[TrueTiger]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

Defence is one thing. How do you explain the pedestrian looking attack that we play with each week. My under 10s footy side used to pass the ball out the back line like they do. They cant even draw and pass (Talau). That stuff should be second nature to these guys. We badly need a footy coach not a motivator.

We have a footy coach ......we need a coachable roster that understand the basics of the game,you know,tackle,support,linespeed and hold the ball.....

So these guys are first grade players and they dont know the basics. That will do me. How did they get there then. All our players offer something to this team in my view but the coach needs to find that balance across the team and coach them to their strengths. He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.
I think we all agree as supporters we can cop a loss as long as they guys are having a crack. We are not getting better as a team and most individuals are not also. That comes back to the coach.

So for example Noffa has been in the fg side for years and still cant get his defense right...he has had many coaches....that will do me....

 

[tigertuff]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

Defence is one thing. How do you explain the pedestrian looking attack that we play with each week. My under 10s footy side used to pass the ball out the back line like they do. They cant even draw and pass (Talau). That stuff should be second nature to these guys. We badly need a footy coach not a motivator.

We have a footy coach ......we need a coachable roster that understand the basics of the game,you know,tackle,support,linespeed and hold the ball.....

So these guys are first grade players and they dont know the basics. That will do me. How did they get there then. All our players offer something to this team in my view but the coach needs to find that balance across the team and coach them to their strengths. He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.
I think we all agree as supporters we can cop a loss as long as they guys are having a crack. We are not getting better as a team and most individuals are not also. That comes back to the coach.

So for example Noffa has been in the fg side for years and still cant get his defense right...he has had many coaches....that will do me....

So how long do we give Madge remembering he has been here nearly 3 years and did he re sign Nofa or someone else.

 

[hobbo1]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

Defence is one thing. How do you explain the pedestrian looking attack that we play with each week. My under 10s footy side used to pass the ball out the back line like they do. They cant even draw and pass (Talau). That stuff should be second nature to these guys. We badly need a footy coach not a motivator.

We have a footy coach ......we need a coachable roster that understand the basics of the game,you know,tackle,support,linespeed and hold the ball.....

So these guys are first grade players and they dont know the basics. That will do me. How did they get there then. All our players offer something to this team in my view but the coach needs to find that balance across the team and coach them to their strengths. He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.
I think we all agree as supporters we can cop a loss as long as they guys are having a crack. We are not getting better as a team and most individuals are not also. That comes back to the coach.

So for example Noffa has been in the fg side for years and still cant get his defense right...he has had many coaches....that will do me....

So how long do we give Madge remembering he has been here nearly 3 years and did he re sign Nofa or someone else.

Inspector gadget re-signed nofoalooza

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

Defence is one thing. How do you explain the pedestrian looking attack that we play with each week. My under 10s footy side used to pass the ball out the back line like they do. They cant even draw and pass (Talau). That stuff should be second nature to these guys. We badly need a footy coach not a motivator.

We have a footy coach ......we need a coachable roster that understand the basics of the game,you know,tackle,support,linespeed and hold the ball.....

So these guys are first grade players and they dont know the basics. That will do me. How did they get there then. All our players offer something to this team in my view but the coach needs to find that balance across the team and coach them to their strengths. He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.
I think we all agree as supporters we can cop a loss as long as they guys are having a crack. We are not getting better as a team and most individuals are not also. That comes back to the coach.

So for example Noffa has been in the fg side for years and still cant get his defense right...he has had many coaches....that will do me....

So how long do we give Madge remembering he has been here nearly 3 years and did he re sign Nofa or someone else.

Inspector gadget re-signed nofoalooza

Young David was all Go Go Gadget

 

[twentyforty]

Don't know why anyone puts any stock into what that old alcoholic says about anything.

You see him on NRL360 and he has to wear a sports jacket over his shirt because he is sweating so profusely from the grog, and he shakes like a dog passing razor blades.

That's what passes for sports journalism these days.

Alkaline Trio reference?

Don't listen to them. What was the reference?

https://youtu.be/QUV-WqhuihM

High on ph.

 

[jirskyr]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

you are always pro the club the club can do no wrong
we made an offer at the death to Dale finucane, woolford is just giving his opinion he is allowed to state what has happened to him
you do not know it is not true

I didn't say I was pro and I didn't say they can do no wrong. It's like you don't actually read or listen to what I say. I said you don't know that the things you are claiming are true. By all means, go ahead and criticise Tigers on the things that are factual, provable, known, confirmed - lack of wins, lack of high-level recruits, lack of consistency.

But don't support those arguments with rumours, it's ridiculous. You use newspaper shock-journalism as support for arguments. You use/quote Buzz Rothfield. It's a joke.

Yes Woolford can state his opinion, but I don't have to disprove his opinion. I am not giving Simon Woolford's opinion any weight. It's one dude. For sure, go find 100 people on twitter who share Simon Woolford's informed opinion, then you have something.

So you're saying that the only information we should use to judge the club is that coming from the club itself?

That isn't what I am saying. There is information about Tigers that can be corroborated by external parties, e.g. a player making a public statement, the NRL itself etc.

Also you can judge publicly available information as much as you please - actual playing roster, on-field performances, membership experience, game-day experience.

 

[twentyforty]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

you are always pro the club the club can do no wrong
we made an offer at the death to Dale finucane, woolford is just giving his opinion he is allowed to state what has happened to him
you do not know it is not true

I didn't say I was pro and I didn't say they can do no wrong. It's like you don't actually read or listen to what I say. I said you don't know that the things you are claiming are true. By all means, go ahead and criticise Tigers on the things that are factual, provable, known, confirmed - lack of wins, lack of high-level recruits, lack of consistency.

But don't support those arguments with rumours, it's ridiculous. You use newspaper shock-journalism as support for arguments. You use/quote Buzz Rothfield. It's a joke.

Yes Woolford can state his opinion, but I don't have to disprove his opinion. I am not giving Simon Woolford's opinion any weight. It's one dude. For sure, go find 100 people on twitter who share Simon Woolford's informed opinion, then you have something.

So you're saying that the only information we should use to judge the club is that coming from the club itself?

Yes, that way is stress free. To question the club about their failures is akin to blasphemy, it’s disloyal. Ramp up your medication and become more agreeable Avo.

 

[jirskyr]

the only thing that is in the club's control is the way they sell the club. the hesitancy with the TPJ and Finucane deals highlights that we're divided in who we're going after in the market. I'm sure if we didn't hesitate on TPJ he probably would've played for us last night, and we wouldn't have gone after Finucane as a result. there is no need to deviate from the plan just because Rothfield has hit the turps and rambled in his weekly column.

it's simple. if we're after a player we need to back ourselves to the hilt. get Lee out of the media or at the very least stop him from commenting on recruitment matters. if we're sticking with Madge, put the message out and target the players that will play for him. continue to poach elite talent stuck in other systems and develop them here. it's the only way up. who cares about established players, if they don't want to come to us then build it without them.

everything that is going on in the media is noise. Chammas, Rothfield and Crawley are gronks who write to drive up website traffic. we string a few performances together and finish the year strong then the heat dies down.

I don't get it - you finish up by saying everything in the media is "noise", but you open by quoting that same media as fact. What hesitancy about the TPJ and Finucane deals? What division on who we are going after? That's all pure speculation.

 

[jirskyr]

The real question is are we in a long term rebuild as we should be or are we trying to sign our way out of trouble.

I judge by actions and not words but to date we were actively seeking Pangai Jr, Latrell, JAC, Finucane amongst other rumours. We have signed no one.

There are mixed messages from a long term rebuild and a short term fix. This tells me we lack competency in management. Buzz is a flog looking to damage the club and get his mate a job. I suspect what Paul Kent has said is more on the money we can’t get deals done.

Negotiations are hard it’s what I do for a living in a different field. Hard heads with connections across the game make things happen. I suspect we are out of our depth in the area of negotiating with player managers, other clubs and selling the club to the right players.

Targeting players and missing does brand damage we need to stay out of it until we can field a decent team of our own and then sell the club. I don’t prescribe to the dogs method either paying overs won’t help us long term.

Set the strategy and stick to it.

I don't get that - stay out of the market for good players until we field a decent team of our own? What if you need to sign a player or two to achieve that decency?

Tigers have money to spend, it makes sense we are in many of the potential talks for good players on the market. All the lower-ranked sides are in that same market, to get those good players who want more money or opportunity. It's the player managers that spread the rumours and drop the club names into every deal.

I also don't understand why you think there are mixed messages? Why can't a team be looking at both a long-term rebuild and a short-term fix at the same time? You sign a mix of players. I think it's pretty obvious that Tigers are in the market for an established forward and back, and I'm going to guess it's to compliment the young roster we've already built. That makes sense to me? Why can't you sign a TPJ and Stefano/Blore/Seyfarth?

And with a guy like Tamou, that impacts both long- and short-term. Short-term because we needed an experienced prop, long-term because he brings a wealth of experience and (hopefully) leadership.

 

[jirskyr]

He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.

You mean except the part where Madge already started Stefano in Rd 6-7, 2 months before Origin?

 

[GarryOwen]

Not going to link it, but FS now has a Hooper article up that goes against pretty much all of the Buzz nonsense. These clowns are brazenly playing both sides and people still lap it up.

 

[Devon Head]

Seems Hoops' almost daily Tigers bashing is in swing again this afternoon. Another trash piece further designed to tarnish the clubs name.

 

[Devon Head]

Not going to link it, but FS now has a Hooper article up goes against pretty much all of the Buzz nonsense. These clowns are brazenly playing both sides and people still lap it up.

Beat me to it. So much dribble isn't it.

 

[WT2K]

Not going to link it, but FS now has a Hooper article up that goes against pretty much all of the Buzz nonsense. These clowns are brazenly playing both sides and people still lap it up.

FS getting a % of peptides next contract?

 

[tigertuff]

He is just throwing anyone in there in the hope they will look good. I will put money on it Big Steph would not have started last week if he wasnt picked in the origin camp. He did it because Freddy can see something in him and gives him belief. Thats what most of our guys need.

You mean except the part where Madge already started Stefano in Rd 6-7, 2 months before Origin?

So from round 8 till last week he wasnt good enough but after origin camp he is. I reckon he is making it up as he goes with no clear direction.

 

[tig_prmz]

We have had nothing but bad news for a long time.

Funnily enough, it seems that a news story that kicks a man while he's down seem to rate higher. They will keep coming at us until we get a win (metaphorically). If they don't find something to come at us with, they will make it up.

Their job is to sell forgetting any type of ethics or reality. They know we won't have a go at them so they will keep kicking.

 

[851]

Rothfields a miserable corpse

Most of that article is true, just because you don't agree with it or like it doesn't make it a load of crap