LIVE GAME Round 17 versus Knights

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Every loss we have had for the last two months have been really hard to take anything away from. I mean that from the perspective that we have not had a 100% team for a very long time and to build on what we have would mean taking players away from their natural positions overall. Today is probably the hardest loss in that regard.

I thought position-for-position we were overall the better team. Where players are out of position I do not feel we have anyone doing a bad job, but we just don't have people doing the jobs as good as what our first choices can. That leads us down a path where we probably are looking at a back of house problem as well as a depth problem. For me that means bringing it back to basics is probably our key and leaving as little as possible up to instinct to dictate.

In the conditions I thought what kept us in that game was ADs kicking more than anything. We look like a much more clinical team with him steering the ship. However it appears we do that at the cost of Luai who really struggles with less opportunities under higher pressure. It is also worth noting that some edge players struggle with AD at the helm, and others thrive with Luai. I truly believe this is more of a "salt and pepper" dynamic.

For our forwards that was probably our pack's best overall game in a long time. The absolute slog of minutes they are playing obviously limits impact to a certain point, but I don't see our issue being our forwards but merely how they are played and the minutes they are taking on. We also had considerable carries out of our own 20 from our backs today as well.

Bigger picture though, I see that being the end of the season for us. We have 10 rounds left, and if we go for a 50% strike rate (lets round down not to get our hopes up, plus our bye), that leaves with 4 wins for 8-points. That should end us up on 28-points. Depending on which way the ladder goes that sees us either scraping in, or just missing out. For us to get over the line with no doubt we need to pull out a win against Panthers, Warriors, Roosters or Bulldogs. At this end of the season I see that as a big ask.

Linking that back into my earlier point about the back of house issues that may be at play, I genuinely hope the right players are given the right experience between now and then. I have stated it previously that our post-Luai era is looking troubling with our second and third choices still seemingly lacking in first grade grit and resilience. There probably needs to be a decision made about what direction we go in - if we want to just try and scrap in this year or develop the right people between now and next year.

Just for fairness not to end this on all doom-and-gloom, I need to acknowledge some of the shockers today. Ponga's infringement on Makasini's break, and Turuva getting hit high were pretty big calls that didn't go our way. But I can't overlook our stats at the time that just speak to all the systemic issues I spoke about previously that say we should have had that game done and dusted before that call means anything.
 
Once again our lack of finesse in the attacking area failed us,apart from that the effort was decent.Our hard working forwards deserve a huge wrap despite our best 2 being beat in the last try (May and Seyfarth).
Exactly it. The effort was excellent and has been all year. I haven’t been able to say that about a tigers team for over a decade. The fact is, our red zone attack is the worst in the competition. It’s a been a problem for us all year. We have dominated so many first halves this year only to not be able to convert territory and possession into a suitable number of points. And then we lose at the back end. For the second week in a row we had to use an interchange player for an outside back injury which doesn’t help.
 
That’s fair but we bashed them in the forwards. We created the poor play from the Knights. Our attack was poor. That’s the game. Api had his worst game of game of the year. May played too long as did Bunty. It’s an injury issue for us which is my point it’s not a lack of effort. We need to pay attention to how good Sam Fainu and KPP are we will struggle to beat anyone without these players.
I agree it’s not lack of effort. It is lack of talent in the depth players who just cannot bang with NRL players.
That said, we had our first choice spine today and they came up with very little in a game where the opposition failed to complete 13 sets, handing us great field position all day long.
That was a bad loss.
 
I agree it’s not lack of effort. It is lack of talent in the depth players who just cannot bang with NRL players.
That said, we had our first choice spine today and they came up with very little in a game where the opposition failed to complete 13 sets, handing us great field position all day long.
That was a bad loss.
With a few key additions Twal, KPP, Sam Fainu, Averillo and a couple more with luck the team will resemble a proper first grade squad next year. We are better when at full strength which is a positive. Thegg th have to sort out the roster we suffer every year after mid season.
 
I agree. Im certain he doesn't see the problem. It could possibly be fixed of our pack was at full strength and we played Latu lock and actually used him as a first receiver. But with an understrength pack we cant put him in the middle.
Mentioned the other day,
I’d play Luai at lock - or at hooker when needed.
I think he can defend well enough.

What have we got to lose?
 
With a few key additions Twal, KPP, Sam Fainu, Averillo and a couple more with luck the team will resemble a proper first grade squad next year. We are better when at full strength which is a positive. Thegg th have to sort out the roster we suffer every year after mid season.
Apparently thats what Shuster, Tupou and Dunster are all about
 
Mentioned the other day,
I’d play Luai at lock - or at hooker when needed.
I think he can defend well enough.

What have we got to lose?
Latu has been totally wasted in the way he has been played all season. he does'nt know if he is Arthur or Martha. He has absolutely no confidence when he goes on. Not prepared to make a run as if he fears being replaced if not carrying out coach's instructions. He needs to be given free rein to play eyes up football. we all know he is talented but being stifled by Benji's total wasted tactics. I know he has had injuries in the past.
 
Now thats an interesting take on that game if ever ive heard one lol. Ridiculous statement.

They gave us so much opportunity it is simply embarrassing what we did with that possession. We are the only team who loses to Newcastle today.
Did you ever consider that maybe we rattled them? Why does everyone simply assume that because a team in the top four gets beaten by a team out of the eight, the simple reason is that they must have been off their game. The whole team. They win how many games straight, then mysteriously drop their bundle against a weaker side. Every time WT win, the commentators can't wait to tell us how poorly the opposition played.
Newcastle had ample opportunities to win that game comfortably in the second half. They couldn't do it. Maybe the pressure put them off?
Ask Penrith why they lost yesterday. Maybe the Cowboys were simply better.
 
Did you ever consider that maybe we rattled them? Why does everyone simply assume that because a team in the top four gets beaten by a team out of the eight, the simple reason is that they must have been off their game. The whole team. They win how many games straight, then mysteriously drop their bundle against a weaker side. Every time WT win, the commentators can't wait to tell us how poorly the opposition played.
Newcastle had ample opportunities to win that game comfortably in the second half. They couldn't do it. Maybe the pressure put them off?
Ask Penrith why they lost yesterday. Maybe the Cowboys were simply better.

Amen.
Bludger of a game, either side could’ve won. We’re definitely a confidence team. Disappointed to lose this week and last, but we’re still in the fight, despite all the injuries. Hopefully Twal & Samuela back next week.

Onwards & Upwards
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Had a beer with a mate to watch the game today and we thought there wasn't much chance of a win.

Half time we looked at each other and said hope we don't lose this in the last 5 minutes like the old days, sickening isn't it.

Why do we keep trying Geyer he's not a good luck charm and not big enough in tandem with Seyfarth, Api ordinary.

All the Sukkar knockers need to have a closer look getting better every week as is Bunty.
 
Centres are still or weakest link. Turuva is wasted there , he needs to be at 2 and Skelton at 5. Choose centres after that, and I can see the same drums are beating for Makasini as they were for Tommy Talau years ago.
I assume next year that Averillo and May will be first choice centres but as for now weve got Herbert, Makasini and maybe Fainu, and that’s about it.

Which is another reason why Tupou is supposedly being courted.
 
That game was a punish to watch.

In my opinion this was the most disappointing loss for the year. We had everything to play for, Newcastle were crap, yet our spine produced their worst performance of the year (maybe AD gets a pass mark). To think we still could have won it if not for the performance of Geyer and Makasini, though I don't blame them, that's on Benji. Gutted
 
bloody benji wants to play the long game he says

Which means just build pressure down their end

The problem is we can’t score down there bc we don’t run shape bc we don’t practice it bc we practice “the long game” which is just building pressure

Like what is the point of you can’t run a simple shape play?

We had all the ball today down their end

Slippery grass

Not once did they try and cut back in the inside with a steaming back rower

It was just forward forward forward then sideways with like terrible terrible passes that looked under sixes

Our attack is Diabolical in the opposition 20

API looks up like what is the play

Then he dished it and adam can’t pass or setup a block play - not once has he done it

He is better off just running but then that means bula never gets good shape ball at the back of ADs side

So that leave Jarome side and he crabs or does some lateral pass with no shape

Honestly the only time ad and Jarome look good all year running shape is when Jarome takes the 7 and as sweeps around the back


They’re absolutely useless otherwise
 
I agree. Im certain he doesn't see the problem. It could possibly be fixed of our pack was at full strength and we played Latu lock and actually used him as a first receiver. But with an understrength pack we cant put him in the middle.

Better still, he plays Latu at half and the player better suited to the lock role or centre in either of those positions whilst we are short there. Maybe we can get by with the current positioning when we have Samuela and Twal back on deck, though regardless, I would rather have a proper halfback, even Madden.
 
Most depressing performance I can remember in a very long time. There to be won, knights were awful and yet again our big players didnt step up. One I think we will really regret when we miss the 8 by one or two wins
oh I think we'd actually regret the mid-year run of 52-10, 44-16, 46-18, 16-22 and 68-0.

Your thinking is all backwards. Despite the terrible game today it was there to be won, and if you give us the final 10 minutes again we could definitely have won.

The first thing to get right is to be in every game, every week, down to the end. That's how you play consistent finals footy. As soon as you start having blowouts, history shows you don't win comps.
 

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