Sack him Now

@851 said:
@Russell said:
@Tiger In The Gong said:
**<big>Try, try again: Why Jason Taylor satisfies Einstein’s definition of insanity</big>**

**By Dean Lawrence, 10 Jul 2015**

You can’t help but think that Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor is likely not well versed with the work of Albert Einstein.

Perhaps someone from the Tigers should pull Taylor aside and recite to him the genius’ famous quote on insanity.

“Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
From the outside looking in, Taylor looks like an infant child flapping his arms wildly up the deep end of the pool. He’s barely staying afloat.

Taylor’s dealings with the media are evident of this. He frequently fronts the press with a similar demeanour; he goes straight into defensive mode when posed legitimate questions about his team’s performance, and seems to have a greater misplaced optimism than even Bill Shorten.

JT, fronting the media after yet another Tigers defeat (this time to a lowly Parramatta side) came out with perhaps the quote of the year, infuriating Tigers fans in the process. “You guys (the media) and everybody out there is focused on the competition table and the scoreboard at the end of the game.”

Instead of concentrating on what you would think would be the two primary measurements for success for a sporting team, Taylor says his team focuses on “performances”. Call me crazy, but in the world of competitive sport, there comes a time when a direct correlation between the ladder, the scoreboard and the performance of a team becomes clear!

Sitting in stone, motherless last, with a record of 5 and 11, probably provides a decent reflection of the state of the “performances” that Taylor alludes to.

Taylor’s entire demeanor when speaking to the media lacks confidence. On Monday night, after his side copped a 12-4 smashing in the penalty count, fans were understandably angry. When watching the post-match conference, fans were looking for Taylor to show something that hasn’t been cited since Tim Sheens occupied the head coach role. Passion.

While every fan appreciates that coaches need to toe the line in post-match conferences given the fines imposed by the NRL for hitting out, there’s a vast difference between stating the facts (which is all Taylor did) and showing even an ounce of displeasure at being wronged.

Fans wanted the anger of Geoff Toovey, the stone face of Wayne Bennett, the borderline-serial-killer mentality of Des Hasler. Something. Instead, what they got was yet another mediocre on camera display from Taylor, where he again gave fans no reason to like, let alone trust him.

You can’t help but think that if this is the way he goes about the business of dealing with the media; does he carry the same manner in his dealings with the players?

The attitude that Taylor seems to instil in the club was evident in a recent interview with veteran prop Keith Galloway, where Galloway was asked if a change in attitude was needed following a last up drubbing at the hands of the Panthers. Galloway answered the question with a shrug of the shoulders and defended their approach with a feeble “we’re trying hard” and “the effort is there”.

Which brings me back to my original point. Taylor seems to abide by the “if at first you don’t succeed, try and try again” philosophy, rather than the (arguably more productive) school of thought from Einstein.

In a game where change is the only constant; where rules change daily depending on interpretation (don’t get me started!), where offensive plays and defensive lines need to continually adapt, surely, at three quarters through the season, Taylor must admit his current method isn’t working.

With the exception of games where Robbie Farah has been missing, Taylor has stuck with a bench made up entirely of forwards.

The only time he has used a player you could consider a utility on the bench is when Mania Cherrington has been used as a second hooker when Dene Halatau starts the game at 9.

Josh Drinkwater showed on Monday night that he is a capable half, who may well provide the stability that the Tigers attack has lacked all year. Mitch Moses, while showing signs of brilliance, has been underwhelming in his first full season in first grade.

Given the pack that the Tigers possess in terms of size, stamina, and coverage for other positions, it makes sense to trial something different. Why not start Drinkwater at 6 to go about gaining a better control over the game, with Moses coming on in 14 at the back-end of the first half when opposition forwards are getting tired?

Taylor is capable of thinking outside the box. He showed this in the loss to the Panthers when he chose to play Kyle Lovett at centre instead of employing the obvious choice of playing the experienced Chris Lawrence in the centres.

Most would have preferred that Taylor had chosen a different time to showcase his ability for creative thinking!

What this passage of play also highlighted more than anything, however, was that Taylor seems completely resistant to change. Despite the fact that Lovett made Panthers centre Dean Whare look like Usain Bolt during a period that netted Penrith four unanswered tries, Taylor stuck to his guns, much to the ire of the Tigers faithful.

While everyone is well aware of the endless drama over at Concord – from boardroom clashes, empty coffers and an uncanny ability in recent times to throw the coach under the bus – you can’t help but think that in a game where a modern coach must adapt or die, it is hard to see a future as head coach for someone like Jason Taylor.

While Taylor has reiterated on many occasions that he has the support of the board and the players, the Tigers fan-base seem to have run out of patience. Most fans can’t help but look forward to Mad Monday in the hope that Taylor unleashes an open right hand on the face of Farah, a la the end of his tenure with the Rabbitohs.

Who knows, maybe this might knock some sense into the captain at the same time!

Whoever Dean Lawrence is I don't think he knows what he is talking about.

He certainly doesn't understand the position that the WT are in and in turn the position that puts JT in.

Let's not put truth in the way of a good story eh! Dean ( whoever you are?????)

That is the truth, Taylor won't drop under performing players, he has scant regard to our lofty table position, and he is deadset doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a better result.
This is also clearly not working, he hasn't had the nuts to say his new defensive structure is not working, why not play to some of our very few strengths.
This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

Most of the story is spot on and fits perfectly wiith what has been happening ,
Other outsiders , some commentators etc, Are starting to utter mild critism as well, odds are by the end of the year it will be just as loud as WTs supporters.
I know we all have differing ways to form opinions, but I still can't see any back up for the stuff JTs supporters believe he is doing. And I wish I could agree with them, but I am getting to the stage where I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth.
It's interesting to see an opinion from someone that is a step back from the club. And he will no doubt cop a hiding , simply because he has a differing opinion, from some
 
@hobbo2803 said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@Tigermama said:
Those legal drugs only numb the pain Hobbo. To kill the pain, us WT supporters need the good stuff…Which are illegal I'm afraid :mrgreen:

It's been 24 years , but I'll get back on the pot when I've retired and the arthritis sets in :mrgreen:

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Does it work, I mean on the arthritis

So I've been told :mrgreen:

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Interesting :astonished:
 
@851 said:
This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

There has to be an agenda if anyone is supporting JT at this point. Its that simple. I have no idea what the agenda is but it has nothing to do with the Tigers being successful and winning games.
 
@magpiecol said:
@Tiger In The Gong said:
@foreveratiger said:
This comment by Jason Taylor the other night has desperation written all over it , he's quote
“You guys (the media) and everybody out there is focused on the competition table and the scoreboard at the end of the game.”

That has got to be the most disrespectful comment to our Season ticket Holders and Member's .
I wasn't aware that we were playing to make up the numbers in the 16 team competition.
Brilliant JT

It really is an unacceptable comment. There is just no defending it.

Why don't you complete the rest of his statement?

Does not go with your bias?

Are you serious ?

Lets see if we get this right. JT states that winning doesn't matter yet again. Previously it was we just have to get the defence right and then we will be a winning club. How can you take this guy seriously ?

The funny thing is you stating anyone else has any bias. Anyone supporting JT is the one with the bias or the agenda that has nothing to do with this club winning games.
 
Guys, winning isn't everything when it comes to a competition that's entirely about winning more games of the sport than the other team. It's about trying to figure out how to win games later.

The problem, aside from the fact that he is taking the piss and just talking crap, is that he's coaching the team against their natural talents (second phase, quick ruck speed, trick shots) so I can't see how his "planning" is going to do anything but blunt the ability of these guys.

Also, what does all his habit forming future planning accomplish if Tedesco or Brooks go down in round 1 next year with an ACL?

There is only the now in sport.
 
@stevetiger said:
@851 said:
This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

There has to be an agenda if anyone is supporting JT at this point. Its that simple. I have no idea what the agenda is but it has nothing to do with the Tigers being successful and winning games.

Been at the same place for few weeks now. I made the mistake of thinking they were just stupid people who couldnt see what was happening. Not anymore.
 
There is an article in the tele today and yes it is Rothfield saying that Stone and Taylor must be worried about their jobs for next year after how poor their teams are going.
Stone was sacked this afternoon, and Rothfield also has a dig at the club and its future with the on field and off field plus the Balmain financial side of things could jeopardise their long term future.
You can hate on Rothfield but he is only saying what most pundits are thinking.
 
couldnt agree more - why on earth would they sign up a coach with no results to show … the sooner taylor is gone, the better for the club .. myself and friends wont go to any more games while taylor is in charge ... some whispers about talks with Toovey ... he is more than welcome to take over ... this is embarrassing not only for the fans but for the players... Wests have great players and should not be wooden spooners .. how long do we have to put up with taylors comment after a game saying "that was one game i thought we would win"? ... Manly, Knights have done it mid stream, whats stopping Wests .. when Taylor is being interviewed, he cant even look the interviewer in the eyes, he knows he will be asked why Wests are not winning .. pathetic ...
 
JT has no moves for the players, no structure, no idea to coach .. against the raiders, wests were leading 22-6 at half time with the raiders closing in .. after half time, with robbie off injured, this genius of a coach sat out 4 of our best players?? 30 seconds raiders scored .. and again, then the genius thought oops, best put brookes, wood and co back on the paddock .. too late .. no need to say who won or who lost .. who in their right minds wouldnt keep the pressure on? .. JT, thats who .. thats only one example .. there are many on here who have mentioned more .. for the sake of not losing money on gate takings, memberships, club takings and more important, sponsors .. what company in their right mind would part with big $$ after the debacle of this year, and the scary option of 2 more years ..and the top class players who will go to other clubs .. so all the writers here who say put up with it, dont sack him, what about all the money wests will lose … do the math .. its idiotic to "put up" with JT for the sake of just putting up with losing game after game ... quit while ahead, it will only get worse while JT is involved in the club ..
 
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
couldnt agree more - why on earth would they sign up a coach with no results to show … the sooner taylor is gone, the better for the club .. myself and friends wont go to any more games while taylor is in charge ... some whispers about talks with Toovey ... he is more than welcome to take over ... this is embarrassing not only for the fans but for the players... Wests have great players and should not be wooden spooners .. how long do we have to put up with taylors comment after a game saying "that was one game i thought we would win"? ... Manly, Knights have done it mid stream, whats stopping Wests .. when Taylor is being interviewed, he cant even look the interviewer in the eyes, he knows he will be asked why Wests are not winning .. pathetic ...

Mate,we have no money to sack him,plus he has board approval..hopefully in time we are going to get better…it all takes time to sort out the mess and start a fresh....
 
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
JT has no moves for the players, no structure, no idea to coach .. against the raiders, wests were leading 22-6 at half time with the raiders closing in .. after half time, with robbie off injured, this genius of a coach sat out 4 of our best players?? 30 seconds raiders scored .. and again, then the genius thought oops, best put brookes, wood and co back on the paddock .. too late .. no need to say who won or who lost .. who in their right minds wouldnt keep the pressure on? .. JT, thats who .. thats only one example .. there are many on here who have mentioned more .. for the sake of not losing money on gate takings, memberships, club takings and more important, sponsors .. what company in their right mind would part with big $$ after the debacle of this year, and the scary option of 2 more years ..and the top class players who will go to other clubs .. so all the writers here who say put up with it, dont sack him, what about all the money wests will lose … do the math .. its idiotic to "put up" with JT for the sake of just putting up with losing game after game ... quit while ahead, it will only get worse while JT is involved in the club ..

You're not a logical thinker are you? Where will the money to pay him out come from?
 
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
couldnt agree more - why on earth would they sign up a coach with no results to show … the sooner taylor is gone, the better for the club .. myself and friends wont go to any more games while taylor is in charge ... some whispers about talks with Toovey ... he is more than welcome to take over ... this is embarrassing not only for the fans but for the players... Wests have great players and should not be wooden spooners .. how long do we have to put up with taylors comment after a game saying "that was one game i thought we would win"? ... Manly, Knights have done it mid stream, whats stopping Wests .. when Taylor is being interviewed, he cant even look the interviewer in the eyes, he knows he will be asked why Wests are not winning .. pathetic ...

Wests have great players? Woods, Taupau, Farah and Tedesco are all slightly above average - from there down there's a lot of inexperience and a lot of guys who have seen better days.
 
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
couldnt agree more - why on earth would they sign up a coach with no results to show … the sooner taylor is gone, the better for the club .. myself and friends wont go to any more games while taylor is in charge ... some whispers about talks with Toovey ... he is more than welcome to take over ... this is embarrassing not only for the fans but for the players... Wests have great players and should not be wooden spooners .. how long do we have to put up with taylors comment after a game saying "that was one game i thought we would win"? ... Manly, Knights have done it mid stream, whats stopping Wests .. when Taylor is being interviewed, he cant even look the interviewer in the eyes, he knows he will be asked why Wests are not winning .. pathetic ...

We are WestsTigers… Not Wests. :unamused:
 
A thought occurred today, ( yes) don't be so surprised.
Like a lot of others, I have had the problem of wanting to see JT replaced, or given a minder( Coaching director, or whatever you want to call it )
But the only problem was that I have to agree that we couldn't afford to pay him out.
But it would be interesting to know just how high it would be.

Remembering that Taylor had no other offers to become a Head Coach, and no foreseeable prospects in the near future,(any prospects at all would be rapidly dwindling anyway) together with the fact that there was more contenders for the job here. He was not in a position to be asking for enormous money.
With our record, it's possible that we have payed him well and truly more than he should have been paid, and if that's true ,then our board are worse than many think they are.
If however the board didn't pay him more than he was worth, then a payout may not be as expensive as we first thought. I'm not 100% sure but I think that a coach's money will not affect the Cap.
The board may say now that they are all happy families at the moment, but if we keep going the way we are and if the Board get the feeling that players aren't keen to come here. That may change quickly
They may come to the conclusion that it may be worth getting out sooner , rather than later in case more damage is done, and we start losing players that we want to keep .
 
He hasn't the talent or experience in the squad to challenge this year. Wayne Bennet would have us running bottom 4\. There is no point paying for another coach unless he can recruit and Bellamy, Bennet, Hasler are not coming.
 
@TYGA said:
He hasn't the talent or experience in the squad to challenge this year. Wayne Bennet would have us running bottom 4\. There is no point paying for another coach unless he can recruit and Bellamy, Bennet, Hasler are not coming.

At the end of the 2014 Season, everyone was saying Brisbane wont make the 8 in 2015?!

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@GNR4LIFE said:
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
JT has no moves for the players, no structure, no idea to coach .. against the raiders, wests were leading 22-6 at half time with the raiders closing in .. after half time, with robbie off injured, this genius of a coach sat out 4 of our best players?? 30 seconds raiders scored .. and again, then the genius thought oops, best put brookes, wood and co back on the paddock .. too late .. no need to say who won or who lost .. who in their right minds wouldnt keep the pressure on? .. JT, thats who .. thats only one example .. there are many on here who have mentioned more .. for the sake of not losing money on gate takings, memberships, club takings and more important, sponsors .. what company in their right mind would part with big $$ after the debacle of this year, and the scary option of 2 more years ..and the top class players who will go to other clubs .. so all the writers here who say put up with it, dont sack him, what about all the money wests will lose … do the math .. its idiotic to "put up" with JT for the sake of just putting up with losing game after game ... quit while ahead, it will only get worse while JT is involved in the club ..

You're not a logical thinker are you? Where will the money to pay him out come from?

It helps your arguments when you get the score line right

It was 22-12 at HT

We can't afford to sack Taylor and no coach could do any better with our playing personnel
 
We will go through about six coaches in the next three years if you sack them on where we sit on the table. Our roster is young, inexperienced, lacks depth and is way short on quality. Without the means to rectify the problem due to cap restraints we are in for some very hard years. I am not Taylors greatest fan but I was angry at the way Potter was treated and I do not want to see the same treatment dished out to Taylor and lets face it Taylor has been around the NRL scene for a million years and their is a good chance he knows a lot more about the game than we do
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@westernsuburbsmagy said:
JT has no moves for the players, no structure, no idea to coach .. against the raiders, wests were leading 22-6 at half time with the raiders closing in .. after half time, with robbie off injured, this genius of a coach sat out 4 of our best players?? 30 seconds raiders scored .. and again, then the genius thought oops, best put brookes, wood and co back on the paddock .. too late .. no need to say who won or who lost .. who in their right minds wouldnt keep the pressure on? .. JT, thats who .. thats only one example .. there are many on here who have mentioned more .. for the sake of not losing money on gate takings, memberships, club takings and more important, sponsors .. what company in their right mind would part with big $$ after the debacle of this year, and the scary option of 2 more years ..and the top class players who will go to other clubs .. so all the writers here who say put up with it, dont sack him, what about all the money wests will lose … do the math .. its idiotic to "put up" with JT for the sake of just putting up with losing game after game ... quit while ahead, it will only get worse while JT is involved in the club ..

You're not a logical thinker are you? Where will the money to pay him out come from?

He probably has a money tree growing in his backyard.
 
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