Salary Cap Issues

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Just on the salary cap being a mess. Has anyone given any thought to the NRL appointed board uncovering some off the book payments Meyer had negotiated?

If so they might then be obliged to process those payments through the official salary cap, could something like this be the cause of the cap being exceeded?

Fits in with Go saying they are uncovering new concerns all the time and would explain the hush hush exit of Meyer.

Just a thought.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just on the salary cap being a mess. Has anyone given any thought to the NRL appointed board uncovering some off the book payments Meyer had negotiated?

If so they might then be obliged to process those payments through the official salary cap, could something like this be the cause of the cap being exceeded?

Fits in with Go saying they are uncovering new concerns all the time and would explain the hush hush exit of Meyer.

Just a thought.

Could have some merit TITG

Well its either one of two things

We either have cap issues because of back loaded deals or

NRL players aren't interested in coming to the WT's

I certainly hope its issue 1

Issue two would be very hard to fix

 

[supercoach]

My question is how long can you backload a contract, I mean can you backload them well after their contract obligations have expired. What I am trying to get at, could a player be contracted for four years but be paid over ten. If so we could theoretically have a few of yesterdays heroes still chewing up cap space.

Just trying to get my head around how our cap could be in such a mess with a roster half full of plodders even allowing for contracts like Blair and Lawrence

 

[hammertime]

My question is how long can you backload a contract, I mean can you backload them well after their contract obligations have expired. What I am trying to get at, could a player be contracted for four years but be paid over ten. If so we could theoretically have a few of yesterdays heroes still chewing up cap space.

Just trying to get my head around how our cap could be in such a mess with a roster half full of plodders even allowing for contracts like Blair and Lawrence

That's true Supercoach. You can only do it for the years contracted.

I really think Lawrence, Farah & Woods are heavily backloaded next year, plus the Tigers are trying to also smooth out the contracts for all players which would impact 2017 by moving payments into this year and next. Brooks, Siro, Moses, Teddy etc.

 

[westTAHger]

We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Concord.
Everything cost's money, and apparently wests-tigers don't have a lot.

Whether is BS spin or not. Have no idea who is being truthful or not.

This is what wests-tigers allege at the moment.
We do not have access to their accounting to prove, they have money to spend.

Don't know what or who to believe, so will do neither.

Once again I am very :angry: to see wests-tigers, not in finals contention. **AGAIN** :blush: :unamused:

 

[Newtown]

Just on the salary cap being a mess. Has anyone given any thought to the NRL appointed board uncovering some off the book payments Meyer had negotiated?

If so they might then be obliged to process those payments through the official salary cap, could something like this be the cause of the cap being exceeded?

Fits in with Go saying they are uncovering new concerns all the time and would explain the hush hush exit of Meyer.

Just a thought.

It was very, very strange with Meyer, not so long ago, proclaiming that Wests Tigers would be a top chance of winning the premiership by 2017 or similar and now, with Meyer having suddenly exited from the club, Go states that it will take at least three years to clear the current Salary Cap mess. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out where our future three year dilemma is derived from. Sometimes I think that the NRL placed Go with Wests Tigers in the position of something akin to a company liquidator.

 

[supercoach]

I have thought about the relocation theory and I have given the bankruptcy theory some thought but at this stage I think Go is probably telling it as it is. Like everyone else it is very hard to understand how we ever got our self into this hole especially when you look at our roster, but than again you look at the people calling the shots in the past and everything becomes feasible.

The challenge now is, how and what big contracts do we offload because this club will not last three years without bolstering its roster with some real experienced quality players. I mean if we loose Farah only to pick up a run of the mill player and still having a chunk of his contract eating up cap space,. its a futile exercise, but if we gained a couple of better than average players who played positions where we are poor than I say it is a no brainer

 

[Furious1]

Anyone know if Fults is taking up any of this years cap? Considering contracts are guaranteed, unless he was off contract at the end of last season you would think he would still count to this years cap?

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[foreveratiger]

Just on the salary cap being a mess. Has anyone given any thought to the NRL appointed board uncovering some off the book payments Meyer had negotiated?

If so they might then be obliged to process those payments through the official salary cap, could something like this be the cause of the cap being exceeded?

Fits in with Go saying they are uncovering new concerns all the time and would explain the hush hush exit of Meyer.

Just a thought.

It was very, very strange with Meyer, not so long ago, proclaiming that Wests Tigers would be a top chance of winning the premiership by 2017 or similar and now, with Meyer having suddenly exited from the club, Go states that it will take at least three years to clear the current Salary Cap mess. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out where our future three year dilemma is derived from. Sometimes I think that the NRL placed Go with Wests Tigers in the position of something akin to a company liquidator.

And at the time I believed his dribble, thinking this guy speaks well of the plans in place.
Little did we know just how truly in a mess was our Club and still is.
We all knew the Fafita, Heighno, Gibbs circumstances that occurred and thought we were moving on from those financial troubles having to release them to ease our Salary Cap issues but they were just the start of things to come.

Many of you will be shattered if we relocated and understandably so but if it means becoming a stronger Club financially, featuring in the semis every year and being able to afford quality players? Then I'm all for it.
I will go anywhere to watch them play when being entertained.

I believe there is way to many teams in Sydney and not easy to get good Corporate dollar when our Club is in a mess.
You have a beautiful stadium in Gosford up the freeway that could be worth considering? All the locals there always show up for games. Just the way where going it seems more likely that we could possibly not have a Club in the future if we don't become financially viable.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Just on the salary cap being a mess. Has anyone given any thought to the NRL appointed board uncovering some off the book payments Meyer had negotiated?

If so they might then be obliged to process those payments through the official salary cap, could something like this be the cause of the cap being exceeded?

Fits in with Go saying they are uncovering new concerns all the time and would explain the hush hush exit of Meyer.

Just a thought.

It was very, very strange with Meyer, not so long ago, proclaiming that Wests Tigers would be a top chance of winning the premiership by 2017 or similar and now, with Meyer having suddenly exited from the club, Go states that it will take at least three years to clear the current Salary Cap mess. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out where our future three year dilemma is derived from. Sometimes I think that the NRL placed Go with Wests Tigers in the position of something akin to a company liquidator.

I have the same fears about Go.

My main concern with this issue though is that it would essentially mean that any NRL controlled club is playing under a different set of rules to the others.

I would prefer to be one of the successfully clubs who bend the rules here and there and hold on to their good players and recruit aggressively where needed.

This NRL appointed board is just another limitation placed on this club.

 

[mctiger]

Anyone know if Fults is taking up any of this years cap? Considering contracts are guaranteed, unless he was off contract at the end of last season you would think he would still count to this years cap?

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I don't know that we ended up receiving the relief but this article indicated we were seeking it. Personally I would think it a reasonable request. Alex McKinnon's contract extension was exempt after Newcastle resigned him after his injury (which was a classy gesture).

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-tigers-seek-salary-cap-relief-to-cover-loss-of-liam-fulton-20140624-zskfp.html

http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2014/04/30/knights_re_sign_alex_mckinnon.html

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[krayola]

If there's one thing I can't imagine it's Brooks getting complacent or lazy. That guy definitely wants to succeed.

Not saying your wrong by any stretch… Seems like a good kid

However how do you know this??

However I saw Adam Reynolds out there warming up 20 minutes prior to every other player in the pre game working on all different sorts of kicks. Stories of him at Southss staying back 2 hours after training perfecting everything.

The real best are workaholics and perfectionists. The question I have is is the culture there at our club to make a young player a real hard worker?? Is the money too big at this point to make them earn every cent and drive themselves?

I think they are valid questions. I have no mail on Brooks either way but he looks like a deer in the head lights every time the media ask him something.

Well your last comment makes it sound like Brooks should be staying behind after training in the sheds looking in a mirror doing mock interviews. :smiley:

Yeah, he's not media savvy and I think that means he's really just thinking about footy and not the limelight at all.

I get your point. How do any of us know he's not going to succeed? I can only go on what I've seen and I see a kid that doesn't take a step back when players attempt to physically intimidate him, who doesn't shirk responsibility and who shows great instincts for the game.

He really suffers from not having an experienced player next to him and that's a worry imp. He'll never have a class player to shoulder some of the load. Last year it was Anasta, who was three years past it and Austin, who was finding himself. Now and in the future it's Moses.

I think both will be much better players with another offseason under them. The biggest question atm is whether the club will survive the next few years for us to see the best of these guys.

 

[Masterton]

He really suffers from not having an experienced player next to him and that's a worry imp. He'll never have a class player to shoulder some of the load. Last year it was Anasta, who was three years past it and Austin, who was finding himself. Now and in the future it's Moses.

I'm no fan of Anasta, but the Brooks/Anasta combo won 8 from 14\. Probably did help to relieve some pressure.

 

[krayola]

So you think we'd be better off with Anasta here this season, our forward pack from last year or the coach? Because I'm not sure Anasta made as much difference to our win column as you're implying.

 

[Masterton]

Yeah, it's impossible to apply any cause and effect when there are so many factors in play. But my guess is; Brooks felt more comfortable knowing there was a senior player there to save him. Time to stand on his own two feet now.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Yeah, it's impossible to apply any cause and effect when there are so many factors in play. But my guess is; Brooks felt more comfortable knowing there was a senior player there to save him. Time to stand on his own two feet now.

8 from 14 was no accident as the much maligned Anasta directed the side around, despite Brooks handling the majority of ball. if he can't stand on his own yet, time to step back a little, utilising more of his running game and letting Moses take control.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Praise from Sterling for Moses and Brooks and their defence on Friday night. Also the other three ex halves all said the same thing that the team is still searching for a structure. But Johns did comment supporters should not be disillusioned because in his view there is a v/good team emerging.

Moses and Sironen on Friday night basically held down the right hand defence. Nofoaluma needs sprint work to increase his speed and a lot of sessions with the tackling bag. Naiqama also.

 

[boonboon]

Friday night really showed just how good Sironen is because all of a sudden our right side looked solid and it was all down to him hitting well, hitting hard and being in position and he was 2 weeks back from injury on his non-favoured side

 

[stevetiger]

Friday night really showed just how good Sironen is because all of a sudden our right side looked solid and it was all down to him hitting well, hitting hard and being in position and he was 2 weeks back from injury on his non-favoured side

I really don't get how he cops it so much on here. We look better we he is out there and even better when he is involved. Maybe we should play him at lock to get him more involved.

 

[ricksen]

Praise from Sterling for Moses and Brooks and their defence on Friday night. Also the other three ex halves all said the same thing that the team is still searching for a structure. But Johns did comment supporters should not be disillusioned because in his view there is a v/good team emerging.

I thought Fittler's comment was pretty apt - 'if you don't get the senior/experienced guys right, it won't matter how good the kids are'. Was stressing that we need to get some experienced players in, and the right ones, otherwise all the building from within will go to waste.