@galahs said:
Come now… you know what I mean surely? Under 14s don't dream of ONE DAY playing Bundy Cup.
19-24 year olds who want to play NRL will play wherever they need to.
19-24 year olds who don't want to play NRL will play park football
Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11
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Come now… you know what I mean surely? Under 14s don't dream of ONE DAY playing Bundy Cup.
19-24 year olds who want to play NRL will play wherever they need to.
19-24 year olds who don't want to play NRL will play park football
No, what I'm saying is that if Wests Tigers finance both Wests and Balmain Juniors, they should have the right to structure their junior programs from Matts all the way up to NRL. If they want one NYC and NSW Cup team called the Wests Tigers, if it means that the junior leagues at Wests and Balmain will be provided with better tools to work with than what they currently have, why would you be opposed to that?
Ill be honest, I have no concern at all that there is no rep team for adults. If they are not on the path to NRL, Im happy for them to play A Grade.
I'm all for improving junior league in the macarthur. Im all for the west tigers supporting this as they should.
But the press release put out today was not about that, it spewed anti merger anger.
I have no idea if the macarthur junior comp is run poorly, if it is WT should assist in fixing.
If the junior rep teams are not supported, this needs to be rectified.
Most of these demands are not in relation to these matters
I'm all for improving junior league in the macarthur. Im all for the west tigers supporting this as they should.
But the press release put out today was not about that, it spewed anti merger anger.
I have no idea if the macarthur junior comp is run poorly, if it is WT should assist in fixing.
If the junior rep teams are not supported, this needs to be rectified.
Most of these demands are not in relation to these matters
Goose, I agree with your sentiments 100%! If this rally was entirely to fix the junior leagues in the Macarthur area as well as the Balmain area I'd be supporting them to the hilt. You're right, if kids don't make the jump from SG Ball to NYC, they'll just go off play seniors for whoever is willing to pay them the most. I don't see the problem in supporting the Wests Tigers financing Wests and Balmain Juniors, having seperate SG Ball and Matts then combining NYC and NSW Cup. If Balmain and Wests are forced to fend for themselves in any senior comp they enter, then so be it. I'd rather they die in a lower tiered comp so Wests Tigers can concentrate on boosting our wealthy nursery and keeping that alive to feed the NRL side for years to come.
I fail to see anything wrong with that.
I fail to see anything wrong with that.
They do structure the Matts and Ball. They basically run them how they want them.
I can see how the idea of having a single NSW Cup side that trains alongside the Wests Tigers would help the Wests Tigers. (Though Canberra, St George Illawarra, Eels, Panthers, Roosters, Souths all seem to think its fine to send players back to feeder clubs.)
The real issue is why are all these opportunities based at Concord.
What do we get out in Sydney's West?
Where are our local opportunities?
We used to have them and they are being taken away. Should we be happy about that?
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Why is the proposal of the Magpies being the sole NSW Cup feeder, and Balmain becoming a Bundy Cup side rejected without debate?
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The 2nd issue is why is everyone so gun ho about killing off two foundation clubs?
Geez, I'm glad the Magpie faithful are fighting for their club.
I'm disappointed Balmain arn't as vocal.
These two clubs are treasures to the game of Rugby League.
People swore that they were Magpies Forever, Balmain till I die… are they just meant to forget about those feelings?
Now we have people saying those same quotes about the Wests Tigers. Are the same people critisising the Magpie and Balmain fans going to have any fight in them if Wests Tigers ever faces the chopping block?
I wonder.
I can see how the idea of having a single NSW Cup side that trains alongside the Wests Tigers would help the Wests Tigers. (Though Canberra, St George Illawarra, Eels, Panthers, Roosters, Souths all seem to think its fine to send players back to feeder clubs.)
The real issue is why are all these opportunities based at Concord.
What do we get out in Sydney's West?
Where are our local opportunities?
We used to have them and they are being taken away. Should we be happy about that?
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Why is the proposal of the Magpies being the sole NSW Cup feeder, and Balmain becoming a Bundy Cup side rejected without debate?
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The 2nd issue is why is everyone so gun ho about killing off two foundation clubs?
Geez, I'm glad the Magpie faithful are fighting for their club.
I'm disappointed Balmain arn't as vocal.
These two clubs are treasures to the game of Rugby League.
People swore that they were Magpies Forever, Balmain till I die… are they just meant to forget about those feelings?
Now we have people saying those same quotes about the Wests Tigers. Are the same people critisising the Magpie and Balmain fans going to have any fight in them if Wests Tigers ever faces the chopping block?
I wonder.
@Goose said:
Would you really support it?
Would you physically join the Rally?
I often hear talk but I rarely see action.
Mate the Magpies are 100% behind the Joint Venture. We want it to work. How many times do I have to say that.
We just need to get a fair go from it.
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We don't believe that killing off the Magpies is in the best interest of Rugby League in our local area and the proposition suggested by Wests Tigers or Wests Ashfield hasn't convinced us otherwise.
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Why should we support all opportunities being relocated to Concord? Why?
@galahs said:
Have you asked the Wests Tigers those questions before? I'm sure there's a logical answer. I'm sure there's a logical explanation why the Wests Group allowed the Wests Tigers to set up a base at Concord.
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@galahs said:
Ask Wests Ashfield who agreed to the proposal.
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@galahs said:
The traditional brands dont bring in the dollars like the Wests Tigers brand does. If they brought in the same revenue from their football operations as the Wests Tigers do, we wouldnt be having this debate and rally, they'd still be in the NRL.
So is having a Wests Tigers team in the NSW Cup going to bring in big dollars is it?
You've all said it. No one cares about it, not many watch it.
I argue a Magpie NSW Cup side can potentially bring in more sponsorship than a Wests Tigers NSW Cup team if it is marketed right.
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Wests Ashfield are just following what the Wests Tigers have asked for. Concord was the right venue at the right time for the NRL side. We all agreed on that. It isn't the right venue to secure the local Macarthur region. Wests Tigers need a full time presence in the Macarthur. Moving their U20's out their full time would be a great start.
You've all said it. No one cares about it, not many watch it.
I argue a Magpie NSW Cup side can potentially bring in more sponsorship than a Wests Tigers NSW Cup team if it is marketed right.
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Wests Ashfield are just following what the Wests Tigers have asked for. Concord was the right venue at the right time for the NRL side. We all agreed on that. It isn't the right venue to secure the local Macarthur region. Wests Tigers need a full time presence in the Macarthur. Moving their U20's out their full time would be a great start.
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Yeah good luck with that Galahs. April Fools day looks like it's arriving a couple of months early this year. If you honestly think the entities that you want to reach out to will listen, or rather "give in" to your demands then you're kidding yourself. You'll do more damage than good the way this is all panning out. I don't expect you will realise this until after the protest when the damage has been done.
Alf_Duguid
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Wt's have paid lip service for far too long to the Macarthur region. In hindsight, the merger should have been based out of Campbelltown from the start with Balmain as the feeder team. Having the team based at concord is a cop out. The MacArthur region is ripe for the picking and has easts and coffs harbor united salivating
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Fraze23
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How is moving the 20s to Campbeltown beneficial? Just take them away from the first grade coach, mentoring players and the facilities at concord. Here's a scenario for you, Moltzen goes down injured at training. Sheens - Someone go grab Tedesco he'll be fullback this week. Ah no can do coach he's in Campbeltown…. That's a brilliant idea.
Your rally is petty and childish. Go back to fixing the junior league in the area. Everyone else accepted the merger a long time ago, why can't you? I'm all for fixing problems with junior league but the attempted destruction of the Wests Tigers for a handful of magpies supporters who can't read the writing that has been on the wall for 20 years is just not on in my books.
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Your rally is petty and childish. Go back to fixing the junior league in the area. Everyone else accepted the merger a long time ago, why can't you? I'm all for fixing problems with junior league but the attempted destruction of the Wests Tigers for a handful of magpies supporters who can't read the writing that has been on the wall for 20 years is just not on in my books.
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@Alf Duguid said:
What a ridiculous statement. I think certain people need to look up the definitions of the words "fair" and "equitable" before sprouting them as buzzwords.
Next thing there'll be a protest to call us WestsMacArthurMagpies!
Seriously if you just called the team the Tigers you wouldn't lose more than a handfull of supporters.
If we reverted back to Balmain Tigers would only lose a trickle more.
Be happy with the Magpie on the jersey guys (there is no Balmain on there) and concentrate on the issues with the juniors.
Seriously if you just called the team the Tigers you wouldn't lose more than a handfull of supporters.
If we reverted back to Balmain Tigers would only lose a trickle more.
Be happy with the Magpie on the jersey guys (there is no Balmain on there) and concentrate on the issues with the juniors.
@galahs said:
They'd go to those places but not Concord? Do they explode if they have to travel too far from their homes? Sorry but none of this makes any sense. Moving the state cup team's base from Concord to Campbelltown does nothing to stop players who can't find a place in the WT system from pursuing other options.
But you've heavily suggested the lack of a senior "rep" side (the purpose of our state cup team is to strengthen our NRL team not take the place of a rep team but that's an aside) is somehow detrimental to our junior devlopment. Personally I think that's not true.
Alf_Duguid
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Care to elaborate on why my statement is so ridiculous? Its hardly a provactive statement
I don't mind you disagreeing with my thoughts, we live in a democracy after all, but try playing the ball and not the man
Gary_Bakerloo
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@cktiger said:
About as silly as Alf's comments. Trickle = half membership base.
13 years ago Balmain faced the reality they would not be able to compete in a national competition standing alone, now you argue otherwise? Many on here complain about old Wests fans complaining about the fairness of the JV (sometimes warranted), but many old Balmain fans on here have delusions of grandeur.
We are stuck with each other in a symbiont relationship that is successful. Thoughts of standing alone for either Wests or Balmain is pure fantasy.