Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

[tiger4ever]

Wests Tigers are not the be all and end all of Rugby League mate.

I am talking about what is best for the area… and moving everything to Concord, to the inner city is definately not best for the Rugby League future of the Liverppol, Macarthur and Southern Highlands districts.

No one yet, has put forward why taking away opportunities for Rugby League kids in these areas is good for the game of Rugby League.

Here we go again same old same old.

Galahs Wests Tigers are the be all and end all of rugby league for me and i would say 99.9% on here would agree.That is both of our clubs been 1 of the best teams in the hardest comp in the world coming from where both our clubs were is a great effort.

You should jump on board because you come across like the magpies is all that matters to you.

Theres pathways for players that are standouts they get noticed by our club or others you cant get them all….no club does.Your rants are getting very tired.

We get 4 games at leichhardt 4 at c-town we would all love more but its a business and its there to make money and taking games to sfs for money is something most clubs will follow eventually....like it or not...Im not all for Wests Tigers.....love the history of my old club but they are history.

 

[Sabre]

If after 12 seasons of being the Wests Tigers you still can't embrace the merger then there really is no hope for you.
Too many supporters see the Tigers as being 50% of their old team, rather than 100% their team.

 

[Chris]

If after 12 seasons of being the Wests Tigers you still can't embrace the merger then there really is no hope for you.
Too many supporters see the Tigers as being 50% of their old team, rather than 100% their team.

Best post I have read on here in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time!

 

[innsaneink]

Wests Tigers are not the be all and end all of Rugby League mate.

I am talking about what is best for the area… and moving everything to Concord, to the inner city is definately not best for the Rugby League future of the Liverppol, Macarthur and Southern Highlands districts.

No one yet, has put forward why taking away opportunities for Rugby League kids in these areas is good for the game of Rugby League.

The facts prove that the Campbelltown/Group 6 juniors face a very difficult task to make NRL at Wests Tigers.
Lawrence is the only junior from the Campbelltown area in the last 5 years who could be considered a regular first grader.

The other joint venture club St. George Illawarra pride themselves on bringing their Illawarra Juniors through to NRL. Cooper, Creagh, Green, Hornby, Hunt, Morris, Young.
They want to be part of the Illawarra..in the off season they train at Wollongong university.

The facts are Wests Tigers don't embrace the Macarthur area and go out of their way to avoid Campbelltown. They could be training anywhere in Campbelltown today just to show they are part of the Macarthur area instead they are today training at Parramatta !

I saw this question posed elsewhere, it is a very good question.
In these past 5 years since lawrence debuted, which Wests juniors have we missed out on that have gone on to bigger and better things?
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That may well be the case, but when is it going to get to the point where both sides accept that it's Wests Tigers now, and will be going forward, at the top flight. Will we have to wait 20 years until the wounds have healed before the JV becomes essentially irrelevant and everyone accepts that it is WT and always will be? Everyone has to make concessions to ensure the cause of Balmain and Wests merging is a complete success, I guess that is what my point is.

I'm not being a smartarse here Ink, I just cannot fathom how equity and recognition is being touted as the cornerstone of an argument when some of the demands are exactly the opposite and contrary the the basis of the argument itself.

Yeah I agree….just wondering what you thought the Concord area might cater to certain people nowadays.

 

[Original_Magpie]

**I saw this question posed elsewhere, it is a very good question.
In these past 5 years since lawrence debuted, which Wests juniors have we missed out on that have gone on to bigger and better things?**

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Tim Lafai, Beau Scott, Jack Stockwell, Trent Hodkinson, Ben Roberts, Jacob Loko, Jarryd Hayne, Israel Folau, Ryan Hoffman

just a few players off the top of my head

 

[Vicious]

Technically speaking, Jarryd Hayne, Israel Folau, Krisnan Inu and Trent Hodkinson are 4 that come to mind.
All poached by Parramatta at a very young age, but if the Wests Tigers are doing their bit to ensure the very best juniors from the Macarthur region end up in a Wests Tigers jersey, they should be helping out financially to make sure the most talented young players don`t jump ship.

 

[Yossarian]

We keep seeing this list but apart from Hoffman (and maybe Ben Roberts) did any of the people listed (who have played NRL) actually play in the Wests competition beyond the age of 15?

Israel Folau was what 13 when he left the area? As far as I am aware his family moving to Queensland had absolutely zero to do with the Magpies or Wests Tigers.

 

[Blackandwhite]

We keep seeing this list but apart from Hoffman (and maybe Ben Roberts) did any of the people listed (who have played NRL) actually play in the Wests competition beyond the age of 15?

Israel Folau was what 13 when he left the area? As far as I am aware his family moving to Queensland had absolutely zero to do with the Magpies or Wests Tigers.

No they actually had the foresight to see their was no pathway and the Wests Tigers were not going to look after them and moved on.

Many a time I watched a young Jarryd Hayne carving it up for East Campbelltown Eagles mainly because he was playing against my son. Geez who would have thought he would turn out to be such a good player ?

 

[system]

Technically speaking, Jarryd Hayne, Israel Folau, Krisnan Inu and Trent Hodkinson are 4 that come to mind.
All poached by Parramatta at a very young age, but if the Wests Tigers are doing their bit to ensure the very best juniors from the Macarthur region end up in a Wests Tigers jersey, they should be helping out financially to make sure the most talented young players don`t jump ship.

Early admins dropped the ball in a big way both WT & WSDJRLFC.

You don't hear of it these days as much though through the scholarship programs run by WT at St Gregs, Holy Cross and Keebra. WT identify talent young and bring them in district to progress them (or to Keebra), young Matt Groat is a great example of this.

The work of Warren McDonald and Sheens in this area has been second to none in recent times.

I think WT are trying to forge that path between the tribalism of the past and the business that is the present and future. No pun intended but that was always going to ruffle some feathers.

I have confidence that moving forward WT are headed in the right direction but policy can always do with tweaking

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

That may well be the case, but when is it going to get to the point where both sides accept that it's Wests Tigers now, and will be going forward, at the top flight. Will we have to wait 20 years until the wounds have healed before the JV becomes essentially irrelevant and everyone accepts that it is WT and always will be? Everyone has to make concessions to ensure the cause of Balmain and Wests merging is a complete success, I guess that is what my point is.

I'm not being a smartarse here Ink, I just cannot fathom how equity and recognition is being touted as the cornerstone of an argument when some of the demands are exactly the opposite and contrary the the basis of the argument itself.

Yeah I agree….just wondering what you thought the Concord area might cater to certain people nowadays.

Why not allow the locals to wander on down and watch everybody train? After all… we don't play any games in the area that was Wests' old stomping ground. Concord allows us to still have a presence there somewhat. The point I was trying to illustrate is that the issue with certain Wests' fans is that Macarthur is being neglected. If parochialism is a big deal to these people, why alienate the original base of Western Suburbs? I know many have moved on, but what about those who still want to hang on? Are they any different to those who want Wests to retain their identity against the wave of supporters who want Wests Tigers to be the priority from here on in?

I know you're not one of these people Ink, but I am sick of some claiming there is no equity and too much injustice, but would happily prefer players train at Macarthur instead of Concord (robbing the Magpies traditional heartland of whatever last grip they had on Rugby League in the immediate area,) or would rather CSS get more than the fair share of NRL home games (at either the expense of LO or financial expense of playing at at the SFS.)

It's also funny to listen to the comparisons between us and St. Merge. St. George took on Illawarra for the explicit purpose of utilising their rich and expansive juniors base. If they couldn't draw on the likes of Gasnier, Barrett, Cooper et al over the last ten years they'd be nowhere near the powerhouse they've been. They'd be exactly like their poor cousins in Cronulla, buying anyone that looks remotely promising.

 

[Yossarian]

We keep seeing this list but apart from Hoffman (and maybe Ben Roberts) did any of the people listed (who have played NRL) actually play in the Wests competition beyond the age of 15?

Israel Folau was what 13 when he left the area? As far as I am aware his family moving to Queensland had absolutely zero to do with the Magpies or Wests Tigers.

No they actually had the foresight to see their was no pathway and the Wests Tigers were not going to look after them and moved on.

Many a time I watched a young Jarryd Hayne carving it up for East Campbelltown Eagles mainly because he was playing against my son. Geez who would have thought he would turn out to be such a good player ?

How old was Hayne when he moved from East Campbelltown Eagles to Cabramatta?

 

[Vicious]

I`m pretty sure he got paid to play for Harold Matthews for Parramatta, the Wests Magpies don`t have the funds to pay players at that age.

 

[innsaneink]

**I saw this question posed elsewhere, it is a very good question.
In these past 5 years since lawrence debuted, which Wests juniors have we missed out on that have gone on to bigger and better things?**

.

Tim Lafai, Beau Scott, Jack Stockwell, Trent Hodkinson, Ben Roberts, Jacob Loko, Jarryd Hayne, Israel Folau, Ryan Hoffman

just a few players off the top of my head

Wow - just wow :unamused:

 

[Chris]

It's a well known fact that Cabramatta Junior Rugby League Club sponsor other junior leagues clubs outside their area. They use the money generated from their rich leagues club and part of the sponsorship deal to these other junior leagues club is that if Cabramatta identify talented kids in that age group the club must hand the kids over to play for Cabramatta. If the parents dont want to send them there, they are persuaded by receiving gifts for themselves and their children from Cabramatta. I dont know about these days, but back as early as 5 years ago Cabramatta dominated every age group in the Parramatta Junior Leagues comp. That's how Jarrod Hayne was taken from us.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's a well known fact that Cabramatta Junior Rugby League Club sponsor other junior leagues clubs outside their area. They use the money generated from their rich leagues club and part of the sponsorship deal to these other junior leagues club is that if Cabramatta identify talented kids in that age group the club must hand the kids over to play for Cabramatta. If the parents dont want to send them there, they are persuaded by receiving gifts for themselves and their children from Cabramatta. I dont know about these days, but back as early as 5 years ago Cabramatta dominated every age group in the Parramatta Junior Leagues comp. That's how Jarrod Hayne was taken from us.

No one ever complains about Liam Fulton though? Greystanes bred, and went on to play for Wests?

 

[innsaneink]

That may well be the case, but when is it going to get to the point where both sides accept that it's Wests Tigers now, and will be going forward, at the top flight. Will we have to wait 20 years until the wounds have healed before the JV becomes essentially irrelevant and everyone accepts that it is WT and always will be? Everyone has to make concessions to ensure the cause of Balmain and Wests merging is a complete success, I guess that is what my point is.
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I'm not being a smartarse here Ink, I just cannot fathom how equity and recognition is being touted as the cornerstone of an argument when some of the demands are exactly the opposite and contrary the the basis of the argument itself.

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Yeah I agree….just wondering what you thought the Concord area might cater to certain people nowadays.

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Why not allow the locals to wander on down and watch everybody train?

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They do.
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After all… we don't play any games in the area that was Wests' old stomping ground. Concord allows us to still have a presence there somewhat. The point I was trying to illustrate is that the issue with certain Wests' fans is that Macarthur is being neglected. If parochialism is a big deal to these people, why alienate the original base of Western Suburbs?
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Because they dont care what happened to me an many other old magpie fans, we just had to cop it that they moved miles and miles out to buggery, we accepted it and got on with it. Many seem to only think their opinuion counts, that because Macarthur is large they deserve more...theres so much I dont like about ppl hanging onto the old clubs, from both sides, but I can also appreciate their passion and try to understnd when it leads them to be biased and unfair as I personally see it sometimes.
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I know many have moved on, but what about those who still want to hang on? Are they any different to those who want Wests to retain their identity against the wave of supporters who want Wests Tigers to be the priority from here on in?
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I know you're not one of these people Ink, but I am sick of some claiming there is no equity and too much injustice, but would happily prefer players train at Macarthur instead of Concord (robbing the Magpies traditional heartland of whatever last grip they had on Rugby League in the immediate area,) or would rather CSS get more than the fair share of NRL home games (at either the expense of LO or financial expense of playing at at the SFS.)
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It's also funny to listen to the comparisons between us and St. Merge. St. George took on Illawarra for the explicit purpose of utilising their rich and expansive juniors base. If they couldn't draw on the likes of Gasnier, Barrett, Cooper et al over the last ten years they'd be nowhere near the powerhouse they've been. They'd be exactly like their poor cousins in Cronulla, buying anyone that looks remotely promising.
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I grew up in the area...they were the local team, wore their old jerseys at school. In Asfield there was Western suburbs glass company, Western Suburbs Hospital, Wests Bowlo, Western Suburbs plumbing.....the games international now, its not suburban...Im so over all this crap.
Its an international game now

 

[innsaneink]

It's a well known fact that Cabramatta Junior Rugby League Club sponsor other junior leagues clubs outside their area. They use the money generated from their rich leagues club and part of the sponsorship deal to these other junior leagues club is that if Cabramatta identify talented kids in that age group the club must hand the kids over to play for Cabramatta. If the parents dont want to send them there, they are persuaded by receiving gifts for themselves and their children from Cabramatta. I dont know about these days, but back as early as 5 years ago Cabramatta dominated every age group in the Parramatta Junior Leagues comp. That's how Jarrod Hayne was taken from us.

Mate they all aspire to play for cabra…..its almost as though if you can get a run there youre halfway there....60-0 wins are always better than 78-0 floggings

 

[Chris]

It's a well known fact that Cabramatta Junior Rugby League Club sponsor other junior leagues clubs outside their area. They use the money generated from their rich leagues club and part of the sponsorship deal to these other junior leagues club is that if Cabramatta identify talented kids in that age group the club must hand the kids over to play for Cabramatta. If the parents dont want to send them there, they are persuaded by receiving gifts for themselves and their children from Cabramatta. I dont know about these days, but back as early as 5 years ago Cabramatta dominated every age group in the Parramatta Junior Leagues comp. That's how Jarrod Hayne was taken from us.

Mate they all aspire to play for cabra…..its almost as though if you can get a run there youre halfway there....60-0 wins are always better than 78-0 floggings

Of course they all aspire to play there. The average players dont get a look in because they've already got most of the players they want.
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It's a well known fact that Cabramatta Junior Rugby League Club sponsor other junior leagues clubs outside their area. They use the money generated from their rich leagues club and part of the sponsorship deal to these other junior leagues club is that if Cabramatta identify talented kids in that age group the club must hand the kids over to play for Cabramatta. If the parents dont want to send them there, they are persuaded by receiving gifts for themselves and their children from Cabramatta. I dont know about these days, but back as early as 5 years ago Cabramatta dominated every age group in the Parramatta Junior Leagues comp. That's how Jarrod Hayne was taken from us.

No one ever complains about Liam Fulton though? Greystanes bred, and went on to play for Wests?

As far as I know Parra didnt want Liam so he went looking elsewhere.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I grew up in the area…they were the local team, wore their old jerseys at school. In Asfield there was Western suburbs glass company, Western Suburbs Hospital, Wests Bowlo, Western Suburbs plumbing.....the games international now, its not suburban...Im so over all this crap.
Its an international game now

That's the entirety of my point Ink, isn't Rugby League past this? The real performers from the juniors will get their chance to play for the Tigers. Realistically 75% of the BRET team probably won't play FG either. There's always players who will fall through the gaps thanks to short-sightedness, behaviour and politics. It happens in every club.

There is plausible challenges to most questions posed:

- We are hearing that WT and Wests Campbelltown isn't looking after the Macarthur: I ask what is being done to secure Wests true heartland of Ashfield and Lidcombe? True Magpies die-hards would care;
- Juniors are being lost at the drop of a hat to rival clubs: Who do we have in our juniors ranks to replace anyone at the top tier? Wests juniors have no route to the top flight because our NRL side is forcing fringe FG players into State Cup. BRET is playing ball with WT to ensure our best 17 reserves play each week to supplement the WT. Magpies want to do it alone, that's hardly co-operative;
- In all fairness and equity, WT are expected to abandon games at LO or SFS and forego income to facilitate further "exposure" in the Macarthur via the means of additional home games. This is not equitable and totally inverse to your argument;
- All promising talents in any field are expected to put in the hard yards before they earn well: I have already stated I earnt about $8,400 in my first year as an apprentice, without promise of a salary I am on now. I did it purely because if I worked hard enough I would be worth it. If I could live off $155 per week and pay transport to ANYWHERE in Sydney a kid who has to travel from Campbelltown to Concord can…

 

[Original_Magpie]

I grew up in the area…they were the local team, wore their old jerseys at school. In Asfield there was Western suburbs glass company, Western Suburbs Hospital, Wests Bowlo, Western Suburbs plumbing.....the games international now, its not suburban...Im so over all this crap.
Its an international game now

That's the entirety of my point Ink, isn't Rugby League past this? The real performers from the juniors will get their chance to play for the Tigers. Realistically 75% of the BRET team probably won't play FG either. There's always players who will fall through the gaps thanks to short-sightedness, behaviour and politics. It happens in every club.

There is plausible challenges to most questions posed:

- We are hearing that WT and Wests Campbelltown isn't looking after the Macarthur: I ask what is being done to secure Wests true heartland of Ashfield and Lidcombe? True Magpies die-hards would care;
- Juniors are being lost at the drop of a hat to rival clubs: Who do we have in our juniors ranks to replace anyone at the top tier? Wests juniors have no route to the top flight because our NRL side is forcing fringe FG players into State Cup. BRET is playing ball with WT to ensure our best 17 reserves play each week to supplement the WT. Magpies want to do it alone, that's hardly co-operative;
- In all fairness and equity, WT are expected to abandon games at LO or SFS and forego income to facilitate further "exposure" in the Macarthur via the means of additional home games. This is not equitable and totally inverse to your argument;
- All promising talents in any field are expected to put in the hard yards before they earn well: I have already stated I earnt about $8,400 in my first year as an apprentice, without promise of a salary I am on now. I did it purely because if I worked hard enough I would be worth it. If I could live off $155 per week and pay transport to ANYWHERE in Sydney a kid who has to travel from Campbelltown to Concord can…

games at SFS are just like games at LO they are easy to get to for balmain fans as where it takes people from Macarthur at least an hour to go a "home" game. is it any wonder people from macarthur are starting to abandon WT due to the lack of respect they get off the club