Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

[Tigersmurf]

And to think that if we did not merge then neither side would have any club to whinge about….

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Galahs if WT trained at Leichhardt you'd have a point with the opening of your above post but they don't - they train at Concord Oval. I personally don't care where they train so long as the facilities are the best we can obtain. Of course playing 6 at CO and 4 at LO would be unfair. So would playing 6 at LO and only 4 at CO.

Anyway I'm not going to get bogged down in all this again because it gets repetitive. The OP was about a rally which contained some reasonable points. I think you should stick to those points without getting sidetracked by the whole Balmain vs Wests business. It does your cause no favours. The issue as I see is it is an internal Wests matter and that's where the "blame" and attention should properly rest.

training at concord isnt the best they could obtain,

UWS macarthur offered the facilities at the uni and the wests tigers board turned it down

What makes you say UWS Macarthur is better than Concord? Let's remember they basically have free reign at Concord and the club also has room for its backroom people there.

I'll ask the following OM:

- Does UWS Macarthur have the equivalent or better equipment than Concord (i.e hyperbaric & altitude chambers)?
- Is the UWS Macarthur set up especially for Rugby League like Concord?
- Will training at UWS Macarthur negate, or rather create, logistical challenges for Wests Tigers staff to monitor different groups of players?
- Will there be fiscal impact for training at UWS Macarthur?

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

 

[Vicious]

I cannot believe the ingnorance of some people?
I live in the inner west real close to Concord, bur common sense tells me that the Macarthur Region is a massive junior nursery which for the good of the West Tigers we should be trying to ensure the VERY BEST junior talent from this area ends up wearing a Wests Tigers jersey.
I fail to see how the kids of this region will be convinced that the Wests Tigers are their local team if all they get is 4 home game s per season??? More needs to be done to ensure these kids feel a strong connection with and want to end up wearing a Wests Tigers jersey.

 

[Original_Magpie]

Galahs if WT trained at Leichhardt you'd have a point with the opening of your above post but they don't - they train at Concord Oval. I personally don't care where they train so long as the facilities are the best we can obtain. Of course playing 6 at CO and 4 at LO would be unfair. So would playing 6 at LO and only 4 at CO.

Anyway I'm not going to get bogged down in all this again because it gets repetitive. The OP was about a rally which contained some reasonable points. I think you should stick to those points without getting sidetracked by the whole Balmain vs Wests business. It does your cause no favours. The issue as I see is it is an internal Wests matter and that's where the "blame" and attention should properly rest.

training at concord isnt the best they could obtain,

UWS macarthur offered the facilities at the uni and the wests tigers board turned it down

What makes you say UWS Macarthur is better than Concord? Let's remember they basically have free reign at Concord and the club also has room for its backroom people there.

I'll ask the following OM:

- Does UWS Macarthur have the equivalent or better equipment than Concord (i.e hyperbaric & altitude chambers)?
- Is the UWS Macarthur set up especially for Rugby League like Concord?
- Will training at UWS Macarthur negate, or rather create, logistical challenges for Wests Tigers staff to monitor different groups of players?
- Will there be fiscal impact for training at UWS Macarthur?

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

UWS Macarthur has fields in place already which can be used for training

UWS Macarthur has a multi million dollar medical facility which was recently opened

if some juniors could benefit from gaining a uni degree

also training at UWS Macarthur would help Wests Tiger connect with the local community because lets face it not much is done by WT to engage the local community

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I cannot believe the ingnorance of some people?
I live in the inner west real close to Concord, bur common sense tells me that the Macarthur Region is a massive junior nursery which for the good of the West Tigers we should be trying to ensure the VERY BEST junior talent from this area ends up wearing a Wests Tigers jersey.
I fail to see how the kids of this region will be convinced that the Wests Tigers are their local team if all they get is 4 home game s per season??? More needs to be done to ensure these kids feel a strong connection with and want to end up wearing a Wests Tigers jersey.

Vicious, what you are eluding to would've worked 15 years ago, but the fact is money talks and tribalism is dead.

The kids of Macarthur region wont give a rats arse about the Wests Tigers if the North Queensland Cowboys come knocking with a nice check!

I'm sure the WT's will be working closely with their people within the area…

 

[innsaneink]

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

Why?

 

[Bazzinator]

they wont be moving from concord anytime soon. they recently put a lot of money into upgrading the gym area, installing a recovery centre as well as having the proximity of the office staff recently refurbished to help with the link between the footy staff and front of staff. as a famous coach used to say something along the line of footy starts with the front of office and by having them closely together working with one another will always help

 

[Guest]

Galahs you know as well as anyone else that we play games at the SFS/SCG because we get guaranteed income regardless of the weather and the simple reality is that the Nine Network prefer to televise games from large grounds as it looks better for the game barring a few games a season where the traditional grounds get talked about with a wistful nostalgic tone.

Bringing up Penrith and parra are terrible examples. They lose money hand over fist from their football operations and are supported solely on the gambling problems of their clubs patrons. This is not a sustainable future or a good business model. We want strong NRL clubs who make the majority of their income from sponsorship, merchandise and membership. We also want these clubs to turn a profit long term. A goal the WT achieved in 2011 from what I have been informed where we turned a profit excluding Leagues Club grants for the firts time in our history.

The cry of victimisation and pettiness in regard to the positioning of the logo is childish and simply untrue.

I agree that there should have been a team in the State Cup bearing the WT name. As it turns out that couldn't happen because of the opposition from the Western Suburbs factions on the board and the delays propegated by these people saw the deadline for license application lapse before anything could be ratified.

On the subject of the Hall of Fame dinner it was a Balmain Tigers event which WT tacked onto. If I remember correctly discussion on this forum at the time pointed to the Western Suburbs club being invited to take part but declining the invitation.

Again best of luck with the rally but lets at least keep this factual and not emotive. You know the facts in these areas Galahs and have chosen to gloss over some while overstating the effect of others from my perspective.

Well said Smeg, although it seems some on here still fail to comprehend the logic of what you are saying. Emotion can be a powerful tool in the right circumstances, but in this instance - this so called "rally", it will prove to be nothing but an exercise in futility.

 

[wtfl1981]

Emotion is what brought souths back from the dead. It works for everyone at the right time and place. If people feel passionate about fixing up the mess of rugby league in the campbelltown area then that can only be a good thing long term. Perhaps the NRL IC could be the independent umpire once established rather then the current conflicting parties/interests. Galahs has outlined some valid points.
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[Yossarian]

I'll ask the following OM:

- Does UWS Macarthur have the equivalent or better equipment than Concord (i.e hyperbaric & altitude chambers)?
- Is the UWS Macarthur set up especially for Rugby League like Concord?
- Will training at UWS Macarthur negate, or rather create, logistical challenges for Wests Tigers staff to monitor different groups of players?
- Will there be fiscal impact for training at UWS Macarthur?

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

UWS Macarthur has fields in place already which can be used for training

UWS Macarthur has a multi million dollar medical facility which was recently opened

if some juniors could benefit from gaining a uni degree

also training at UWS Macarthur would help Wests Tiger connect with the local community because lets face it not much is done by WT to engage the local community

Were WT offered exclusive access to the UWS facilities, particularly the medical ones? As has been noted above, Concord is purpose built for us. I find it hard to believe UWS could match what Concord offers in terms of what an NRL team needs.

The uni part isn't a factor - the WT are NRL leaders in offering their players a path to academic studies. We don't need to train there for that to happen.

The community connection thing is not a valid reason for moving your training base. Having some open training sessions at Campbo on an ad hoc basis is not a bad idea and there are other ways to interact. At the end of the day the suitability of the facilities for the team's needs must be the main consideration.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

Why?

Why not? If abandonment of Wests heartlands are an issue, why wouldn't moving Wests players away from Concord also be considered abandoning a heartland, I mean after all Wests respresented the area until the eighties… I mean the area where Western Suburbs actually originated never rates a mention... I find it ironic that Wests Ashfield is looking after Campbelltown while Wests Campbelltown looks after WT and Concord.

 

[innsaneink]

It may have once been an issue…..87...we got over it....Its Balmain JRL territory now...nothing more.
The old district really is irrelevant,,,,unless you wanna watch em train or buy a WT shirt, thats about all it'd cater to

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It may have once been an issue…..87...we got over it....Its Balmain JRL territory now...nothing more.
The old district really is irrelevant,,,,unless you wanna watch em train or buy a WT shirt, thats about all it'd cater to

That may well be the case, but when is it going to get to the point where both sides accept that it's Wests Tigers now, and will be going forward, at the top flight. Will we have to wait 20 years until the wounds have healed before the JV becomes essentially irrelevant and everyone accepts that it is WT and always will be? Everyone has to make concessions to ensure the cause of Balmain and Wests merging is a complete success, I guess that is what my point is.

I'm not being a smartarse here Ink, I just cannot fathom how equity and recognition is being touted as the cornerstone of an argument when some of the demands are exactly the opposite and contrary the the basis of the argument itself.

 

[galahs]

Wests Tigers are not the be all and end all of Rugby League mate.

I am talking about what is best for the area… and moving everything to Concord, to the inner city is definately not best for the Rugby League future of the Liverppol, Macarthur and Southern Highlands districts.

No one yet, has put forward why taking away opportunities for Rugby League kids in these areas is good for the game of Rugby League.

 

[happy_tiger]

Let's not forget that Concord is bloody close to the epicentre of Western Suburbs' traditional territory as well, and that should also be catered for and respected.

Why?

Why not? If abandonment of Wests heartlands are an issue, why wouldn't moving Wests players away from Concord also be considered abandoning a heartland, I mean after all Wests respresented the area until the eighties… I mean the area where Western Suburbs actually originated never rates a mention... I find it ironic that Wests Ashfield is looking after Campbelltown while Wests Campbelltown looks after WT and Concord.

Really well said CB

A lot of people forget the true history of the Magpies not just the last 25 years

 

[Guest]

Wests Tigers are not the be all and end all of Rugby League mate.

I am talking about what is best for the area… and moving everything to Concord, to the inner city is definately not best for the Rugby League future of the Liverppol, Macarthur and Southern Highlands districts.

No one yet, has put forward why taking away opportunities for Rugby League kids in these areas is good for the game of Rugby League.

In your opinion galahs. If you get 20000 people at your rally then good luck to you, you might be able to make some sort of difference, however small that may be. I think you will be lucky to get 200 there though, and all that will show is that the Magpies were justified in their decision in the first place.

 

[Chris]

Galahs, who organised this rally? Do you hold or have you held any position with WSRLFC and do you hold or had you held any position that is connected with WSRLFC?

 

[Yossarian]

It may have once been an issue…..87...we got over it....Its Balmain JRL territory now...nothing more.
The old district really is irrelevant,,,,unless you wanna watch em train or buy a WT shirt, thats about all it'd cater to

That may well be the case, but when is it going to get to the point where both sides accept that it's Wests Tigers now, and will be going forward, at the top flight. Will we have to wait 20 years until the wounds have healed before the JV becomes essentially irrelevant and everyone accepts that it is WT and always will be? Everyone has to make concessions to ensure the cause of Balmain and Wests merging is a complete success, I guess that is what my point is.

I'm not being a smartarse here Ink, I just cannot fathom how equity and recognition is being touted as the cornerstone of an argument when some of the demands are exactly the opposite and contrary the the basis of the argument itself.

Yes. Well said CB.

 

[Blackandwhite]

Wests Tigers are not the be all and end all of Rugby League mate.

I am talking about what is best for the area… and moving everything to Concord, to the inner city is definately not best for the Rugby League future of the Liverppol, Macarthur and Southern Highlands districts.

No one yet, has put forward why taking away opportunities for Rugby League kids in these areas is good for the game of Rugby League.

The facts prove that the Campbelltown/Group 6 juniors face a very difficult task to make NRL at Wests Tigers.
Lawrence is the only junior from the Campbelltown area in the last 5 years who could be considered a regular first grader.

The other joint venture club St. George Illawarra pride themselves on bringing their Illawarra Juniors through to NRL. Cooper, Creagh, Green, Hornby, Hunt, Morris, Young.
They want to be part of the Illawarra..in the off season they train at Wollongong university.

The facts are Wests Tigers don't embrace the Macarthur area and go out of their way to avoid Campbelltown. They could be training anywhere in Campbelltown today just to show they are part of the Macarthur area instead they are today training at Parramatta !

 

[Chris]

**The facts are Wests Tigers don't embrace the Macarthur area and go out of their way to avoid Campbelltown.** They could be training anywhere in Campbelltown today just to show they are part of the Macarthur area instead they are today training at Parramatta !

What are these facts that you claim?