Sheens future Safe at Wests Tigers

[Guest]

"We've been experimenting with some new ideas and we'll have a slightly different look to our game," Sheens said.

"If the injury gods and the video referee and the shape of the ball do the right thing, then we'll certainly have the right attitude.

"We'll still be a side that can score points but we had 15 less tries scored against us last year than we've had since I've been there, so I'd like to better that again.

"That will win us those close games this year."

Time for experimenting should be Over I would Hope….Defence in order hmmmmmmm...

It's like the last 4 years are forgotten.......

I'l give Sheens his due...He certainly the master of his own destiny...

Welcome aboard Tim...look forward to the next 3 Years.......Watershed and all.........

Depends on Sheens defintion of experimentation…The team has no dramas playing attacking football, what they have hopefully been working on is improved go forward from the forwards and tightening the defence up a bit more across the park. The Tigers have to be able to grind out games this year if they are going to make the 8.

 

[Geo]

**"If the injury gods and the video referee and the shape of the ball do the right thing, then we'll certainly have the right attitude.**
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Time for experimenting should be Over I would Hope….Defence in order hmmmmmmm...

It's like the last 4 years are forgotten.......

I'l give Sheens his due...He certainly the master of his own destiny...

Welcome aboard Tim...look forward to the next 3 Years.......Watershed and all.........

Depends on Sheens defintion of experimentation…The team has no dramas playing attacking football, what they have hopefully been working on is improved go forward from the forwards and tightening the defence up a bit more across the park. The Tigers have to be able to grind out games this year if they are going to make the 8.

I want to know what the ATTITUDE will be when those things Sheens Hopes go our way Don't…

That has been a problem for a while........

 

[philgood]

Hearing about Sheens getting a contract extension makes me really upset. Offering a coach who taken a team to the finals once in 9 years is UNACCEPTABLE. It WOULD NOT happen at any other club. It just defies belief!

A coach who played John Morris @ halfback for 3 years when it was obvious that things were not working should not get his contract extended.

A coach who breaks up a halves pairing (Marshall/Moltzen) after a 6 game winning streak last year should not get his contract extended.

A coach who uses Benji as ransom should not get his contract extended.

A coach who played the club's best fullback option in Shannon Gallant in reserves for the majority of the year should not get his contract extended.

A coach who has Royce Simmons as his assistant and defensive coach should not get his contract extended. How Royce is still defensive coach is beyond me.

A coach who is addicted to turning everyone into a prop without actually buying a prop should not get his contract extended. When was the last time the tigers bought a prop before Jason Cayless?

So its true that Sheens is the Wests Tigers coach, Wests Tigers CEO, and Wests Tigers board. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!

 

[southerntiger]

Oh with glee I watch.

1\. How can people say that John Morris was played at halfback for three years when at the beginning of last season Marhsall was experimented in this position. Sheens, in my view, accepted he made a mistake re John Morris and trief to find alternative options.

2\. When has Sheens ever mentioned Benji's willingness to stay or leave should he be sacked? It was Benji himself who raised this issue. Surely Farah and Benji's high opinions of Sheens suggest he is doing something right?

3\. Gallant - the same player who was in such demand that he was purchased by the Cowboys to play back up.

4\. I am not a fan of Roycie's but I feel a coach is entitled to have the staffing he wants.

5.Ryan O'Hara (2006 - failed but at the time was Australian rep) , Keith Galloway (2006 - major success). Who would you have bought in 2007, 2008 and 2009 that we were in a position to buy? I realise this is a rational question and you're not too concerned about rationality but please have a try.

Lets have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce back I say. Get rid of Sheens now.

In all seriousness, I think the club should wait until mid-year as well but lets forget the hysterics. Sheens is a good coach and has done a great job in building this club from the doldrums (something people too easily forget). If you had told me in 2003 that by 2010 we would have a premiership and a competitive squad ready for another crack I would have been deliriously happy.

 

[southerntiger]

BTW philgood perhaps you should invest in a high school education. Even the bad ones these days teach basic arithmetic. 9 years :wink:. Were the Lambs days so bad that you have blocked that period out?

 

[philgood]

Oh with glee I watch.

1\. How can people say that John Morris was played at halfback for three years when at the beginning of last season Marhsall was experimented in this position. Sheens, in my view, accepted he made a mistake re John Morris and trief to find alternative options.

2\. When has Sheens ever mentioned Benji's willingness to stay or leave should he be sacked? It was Benji himself who raised this issue. Surely Farah and Benji's high opinions of Sheens suggest he is doing something right?

3\. Gallant - the same player who was in such demand that he was purchased by the Cowboys to play back up.

4\. I am not a fan of Roycie's but I feel a coach is entitled to have the staffing he wants.

5.Ryan O'Hara (2006 - failed but at the time was Australian rep) , Keith Galloway (2006 - major success). Who would you have bought in 2007, 2008 and 2009 that we were in a position to buy? I realise this is a rational question and you're not too concerned about rationality but please have a try.

Lets have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce back I say. Get rid of Sheens now.

In all seriousness, I think the club should wait until mid-year as well but lets forget the hysterics. Sheens is a good coach and has done a great job in building this club from the doldrums (something people too easily forget). If you had told me in 2003 that by 2010 we would have a premiership and a competitive squad ready for another crack I would have been deliriously happy.

Whats wrong Southerntiger, have i hit a nerve with my criticism of your precious 'supercoach' Sheens. I mean how dare i question 'supercoach'..no one else does.

1.The fact remains John Morris was played in the halves…Tim Sheens is the person who picked him in the halves therefore 'supercoach' should be held accountable for Morris' failings over not 1, not 2 .......but wait for it..... 3 YEARS!

2\. Sheens made it public last year that nobody within the club wanted Benji because of his injury record. Sheens the saviour went on to say he was the only one who wanted Benji @ the tigers. Benji was subsequently angry with the club. Why make something like that public??? I mean the club is Tim Sheen's employer (or is it the other way around). If thats not holding the club to ransom and creating divisions i dont know what is.

3\. Yeah Gallant the same player who helped us win 6 on the trot when given a shot.

4\. Well said southerntiger, we'll stick with ol' Roycie and a thing called "i cant teach defense".

5\. I would have bought ***ANY*** 1st grade front rower instead of buying Peter Lewis and playing Danny Galea in the front row

I'd rather not have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce. How about we get someone better. How about we get someone who can get us to the finals mored than once in 8 years. As i said, stick to mediocrity southerntiger. You make a great couple

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Whats wrong Southerntiger, have i hit a nerve with my criticism of your precious 'supercoach' Sheens. I mean how dare i question 'supercoach'..no one else does.

1.The fact remains John Morris was played in the halves…Tim Sheens is the person who picked him in the halves therefore 'supercoach' should be held accountable for Morris' failings over not 1, not 2 .......but wait for it..... 3 YEARS!

2\. Sheens made it public last year that nobody within the club wanted Benji because of his injury record. Sheens the saviour went on to say he was the only one who wanted Benji @ the tigers. Benji was subsequently angry with the club. Why make something like that public??? I mean the club is Tim Sheen's employer (or is it the other way around). If thats not holding the club to ransom and creating divisions i dont know what is.

3\. Yeah Gallant the same player who helped us win 6 on the trot when given a shot.

4\. Well said southerntiger, we'll stick with ol' Roycie and a thing called "i cant teach defense".

5\. I would have bought ***ANY*** 1st grade front rower instead of buying Peter Lewis and playing Danny Galea in the front row

I'd rather not have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce. How about we get someone better. How about we get someone who can get us to the finals mored than once in 8 years. As i said, stick to mediocrity southerntiger. You make a great couple

Can I join in? btw… I don't think you need to get so heated dude...

1\. Inconsistancy in the halves can been just as much to blame as having Morris. I also think Morris gets a pretty hard wrap. Marshall played some absolute stinkers prior to last season and in my opinion more often than not was a major factor in our halves (including morris) under-performing... or not performing as was the case all too often.

2\. Agreed... the comment by Sheens was silly and he probably should have stayed far from it. From what I have been told by people close to the club around that time... the Club was very cautious in resigning Marshall and was more hopeful than confident.

3\. Gallant was NOT the saviour people make him out to be. He's a solid player and I like him... but with the youth we have coming through and the options we have in our backline... who cares. By all accounts he wasn't all that great when we played the Cowboys.

4\. Surely you are not so naive to think Royce is solely reposnsible for the defence training? I thought we defended really well last season.

5\. Sheens played Galea in the front row when we had a mountain of injuries.... seriously.... Galea hits hard enough, tackles well enough and it big enough to fill in at prop anyway. Fact is we brought a very good forward in Galloway, who will potentially be a regular rep player for many years to come and we should be cheering! Do the 15 other sides recruit such players on a regular basis? Forwards often have one big year and then go missing, we aren't the only side to make such errors.

Anyway... chill out man. If midocracy is not expecting to win the comp and have a team full of rep jerseys... then i guess i'm fine with it. Yes our side has under-performed the last 3 years... no doubt! But, we have been crueled with injuries and bad luck, often caused by a lack of depth. This year will be different, we have depth all over the park and I have no doubt it'll be a year to remember!

:sign:

 

[southerntiger]

Oh with glee I watch.

1\. How can people say that John Morris was played at halfback for three years when at the beginning of last season Marhsall was experimented in this position. Sheens, in my view, accepted he made a mistake re John Morris and trief to find alternative options.

2\. When has Sheens ever mentioned Benji's willingness to stay or leave should he be sacked? It was Benji himself who raised this issue. Surely Farah and Benji's high opinions of Sheens suggest he is doing something right?

3\. Gallant - the same player who was in such demand that he was purchased by the Cowboys to play back up.

4\. I am not a fan of Roycie's but I feel a coach is entitled to have the staffing he wants.

5.Ryan O'Hara (2006 - failed but at the time was Australian rep) , Keith Galloway (2006 - major success). Who would you have bought in 2007, 2008 and 2009 that we were in a position to buy? I realise this is a rational question and you're not too concerned about rationality but please have a try.

Lets have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce back I say. Get rid of Sheens now.

In all seriousness, I think the club should wait until mid-year as well but lets forget the hysterics. Sheens is a good coach and has done a great job in building this club from the doldrums (something people too easily forget). If you had told me in 2003 that by 2010 we would have a premiership and a competitive squad ready for another crack I would have been deliriously happy.

Whats wrong Southerntiger, have i hit a nerve with my criticism of your precious 'supercoach' Sheens. I mean how dare i question 'supercoach'..no one else does.

1.The fact remains John Morris was played in the halves…Tim Sheens is the person who picked him in the halves therefore 'supercoach' should be held accountable for Morris' failings over not 1, not 2 .......but wait for it..... 3 YEARS!

2\. Sheens made it public last year that nobody within the club wanted Benji because of his injury record. Sheens the saviour went on to say he was the only one who wanted Benji @ the tigers. Benji was subsequently angry with the club. Why make something like that public??? I mean the club is Tim Sheen's employer (or is it the other way around). If thats not holding the club to ransom and creating divisions i dont know what is.

3\. Yeah Gallant the same player who helped us win 6 on the trot when given a shot.

4\. Well said southerntiger, we'll stick with ol' Roycie and a thing called "i cant teach defense".

5\. I would have bought ***ANY*** 1st grade front rower instead of buying Peter Lewis and playing Danny Galea in the front row

I'd rather not have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce. How about we get someone better. How about we get someone who can get us to the finals mored than once in 8 years. As i said, stick to mediocrity southerntiger. You make a great couple

Phil no nerve here mate. I am happy to replace Sheens with a coach who will do a better job. Unfortunately, no one has yet identified such an available person.

Well we know you can count to 3 unfortunately not past it though. Sheens has been here for 7 seasons not 9 or 8\. This will be his 8th season in charge of the club. In his 3rd season we won a premiership. The reason I like Sheens is exactly because he is not mediocre. Like Chris Anderson, he coaches teams to win premierships and is not satisfied with simply making the finals like a Brian Smith.

You bring up Peter Lewis … geez you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. There is plenty of nuffies out there to support your case Jamal Lolesi, Sam Harris etc. Yet you bring up Lewis. No wonder Sheens is about to get a renewed contract if this is the quality of the people opposing him.

 

[Geo]

Nathan Brown hasn't renewed his contract with Huddersfield yet I don't believe….

southerntiger...We may see the logic in waiting till mid-season but that won't be the case....

It's 2007 All over again....

 

[southerntiger]

Probably not Geo, but an alternative would be to put performance criterias into his contract, failing which the club is entitled to terminate.

Not a big fan of Nathan Brown but he would not be a bad option I guess. I still would take Sheens over him in terms of tactical knowledge and club building. My recollection is that Brown lost quite a few good players in his time at the Dragons.

My preference would be to coax Gould out of retirement. He may be a prat but he is a damn good coach.

 

[system]

Contracts are not worth all that much in the modern era regardless

 

[southerntiger]

Smeg,

The difference is between paying and not paying damages for terminating. Today clubs feel that paying a failing coach out is worth more to them in terms of revenue from all sources than keeping that coach. An appropriate clause would enable us to terminate without paying out in the right circumstances. Not sure how common these are in the NRL but they should be.

 

[Snake]

Bottom line is you have to be succsesful and unfortunatly Coach 0 & 4 hasn't been since 05,as far as I'm concerned the biggest hurdle this team has to overcome is the COACH ! The ridiculous selections of players playing out of postion (experimenting) has been a joke and cost us 2 semi berths and this mindset still appears to be around in 2010 ….to be honest I,m over Sheens and the other 2 amigos.

 

[system]

I would hope there are certain minimum levels written into every coaching contract

 

[Geo]

Smeg,

The difference is between paying and not paying damages for terminating. Today clubs feel that paying a failing coach out is worth more to them in terms of revenue from all sources than keeping that coach. An appropriate clause would enable us to terminate without paying out in the right circumstances. Not sure how common these are in the NRL but they should be.

There lies the barrell…..

Humphreys seems a bit more switched on than old mate Noycie though....

I'm happy for Sheens to stay but this contract needs to be weighted in the Clubs favour....Or find the alternative.......

Definately not Royce....

 

[southerntiger]

Snake,

This is where I disagree with many of the anti-Sheens brigade. Last year was a rebuilding year for the club after Sheens cut some of the deadwood from previous years. We promoted a lot of good junior players and turned them into permanent classy first graders. For mine last year was a successful year for this club. I dont care so much about limping into the finals like Souths did a few years back to then be pathetic the following year. I would rather miss the finals one year but put in strong performances at the back end of the year that show the club is heading in the right direction.

As you dont like player's playing out of position, I guess that means we should sell Moltzen or Marshall. Both their natural positions are five-eighth - cant have both of them playing there so I guess one has to go. The reality clubs often change a players position when he is graded. The same thing happened to Brett Hodgson, who was a junior half back.

 

[bonstonker]

I would hope there are certain minimum levels written into every coaching contract

minimum levels?

to buy out a contract.

 

[system]

Minimum levels the coach has to achieve to warrant a full contract payout.

It is not that uncommon a practicein the NFL

 

[philgood]

Whats wrong Southerntiger, have i hit a nerve with my criticism of your precious 'supercoach' Sheens. I mean how dare i question 'supercoach'..no one else does.

1.The fact remains John Morris was played in the halves…Tim Sheens is the person who picked him in the halves therefore 'supercoach' should be held accountable for Morris' failings over not 1, not 2 .......but wait for it..... 3 YEARS!

2\. Sheens made it public last year that nobody within the club wanted Benji because of his injury record. Sheens the saviour went on to say he was the only one who wanted Benji @ the tigers. Benji was subsequently angry with the club. Why make something like that public??? I mean the club is Tim Sheen's employer (or is it the other way around). If thats not holding the club to ransom and creating divisions i dont know what is.

3\. Yeah Gallant the same player who helped us win 6 on the trot when given a shot.

4\. Well said southerntiger, we'll stick with ol' Roycie and a thing called "i cant teach defense".

5\. I would have bought ***ANY*** 1st grade front rower instead of buying Peter Lewis and playing Danny Galea in the front row

I'd rather not have Lamb, Langmack and Pearce. How about we get someone better. How about we get someone who can get us to the finals mored than once in 8 years. As i said, stick to mediocrity southerntiger. You make a great couple

Can I join in? btw… I don't think you need to get so heated dude...

1\. Inconsistancy in the halves can been just as much to blame as having Morris. I also think Morris gets a pretty hard wrap. Marshall played some absolute stinkers prior to last season and in my opinion more often than not was a major factor in our halves (including morris) under-performing... or not performing as was the case all too often.

2\. Agreed... the comment by Sheens was silly and he probably should have stayed far from it. From what I have been told by people close to the club around that time... the Club was very cautious in resigning Marshall and was more hopeful than confident.

3\. Gallant was NOT the saviour people make him out to be. He's a solid player and I like him... but with the youth we have coming through and the options we have in our backline... who cares. By all accounts he wasn't all that great when we played the Cowboys.

4\. Surely you are not so naive to think Royce is solely reposnsible for the defence training? I thought we defended really well last season.

5\. Sheens played Galea in the front row when we had a mountain of injuries.... seriously.... Galea hits hard enough, tackles well enough and it big enough to fill in at prop anyway. Fact is we brought a very good forward in Galloway, who will potentially be a regular rep player for many years to come and we should be cheering! Do the 15 other sides recruit such players on a regular basis? Forwards often have one big year and then go missing, we aren't the only side to make such errors.

Anyway... chill out man. If midocracy is not expecting to win the comp and have a team full of rep jerseys... then i guess i'm fine with it. Yes our side has under-performed the last 3 years... no doubt! But, we have been crueled with injuries and bad luck, often caused by a lack of depth. This year will be different, we have depth all over the park and I have no doubt it'll be a year to remember!

:sign:

1\. Thats exactly why the club needed a proper halfback. Benji was always going to take time to find his feet after all the injuries he had. A halfback would have taken alot of pressure of Benji, so he didnt feel he would have to make that miracle play every time he touched the ball. Even someone like Soward was super cheap when the Roosters let him go. But no, Sheens stuck with Morris. Unbelievable. (No disrespect to Morris who always put in 100% but he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the halves).

4\. Thats because Sheens took over the defence coaching. I often wonder what it is that Royce actually does?

5\. Galea is nowhere big enough to play front row. He was a centre who (surprise surprise) was converted into a 2nd rower. Lack of depth was due to injuries but also poor recruiting.

You can use the excuse of injuries and bad luck for a year or two, but not 4 consecutive years. Its just not good enough. Im not expecting the side to win the comp every year, but to not have made the top 8 once after winning the comp back in 2005 cannot be overlooked in my view. To say Sheens deserves a contract extension after what he has dished up is ridiculous.

 

[Snake]

We all see things differently .. time will tell but leopards don,t change there spots.As For being Anti -Sheens brigade i believe things run there course and we move on ..4 yrs without a semi berth is not good enough talk of a 3 yr deal ?