Sheens replacing Madge

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

I still find it amazing that people think a CEO of a footbal club has no responsibly to the results.

 

[GCfan]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

I'm referring to his attacking strategy essentially being 5 hit ups then a bomb. There is no real shape in attack. We look disorganised, slow and constipated.

My main concern with Madge is the deterioration we've seen in defence since he arrived. This is particularly concerning as he's a defensive minded coach.

In defence:

2019 20ppg
2020 25ppg
2021 29ppg (after 15 rounds)

My question is why has there been no improvement in any facet of our game? We're getting worse.

As for Cleary, he was here for 1 full season, finished 9th, had a significantly poorer roster.

Maybe the reason for the declining defence is we’ve changed a lot of our better defenders across those periods.
We’ve got rid of ET and Eiso as an example and both worked hard in defence. I still can’t understand how our defence goes from quick line speed to passive from week to week and whilst I don’t think Madge is one of the better coaches out there, I can’t imagine him giving that instruction

 

[tony soprano]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

I still find it amazing that people think a CEO of a footbal club has no responsibly to the results.

Pascoe appointed sheens as an insurance policy against his lack of footy nous.

 

[mike]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

 

[cochise]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

 

[mike]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

 

[cochise]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

 

[earl]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

I'm amazed that anyone believes that Pascoe somehow runs the footy side of things.

 

[jirskyr]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

I still find it amazing that people think a CEO of a footbal club has no responsibly to the results.

Pascoe appointed sheens as an insurance policy against his lack of footy nous.

Which CEOs have been sacked because of failure to make finals? I won't pretend I am familiar with every CEO of the last 40 years but most of them, if sacked, is because of some financial incompetence, not lack of finals football?

E.g. Joe Kelly was CEO of Manly 2015 and 2016, they didn't make the finals. They made the finals 10 years consecutive before he got there, including 4 GFs and 2 premierships. He left in 2017 for - Roosters.

 

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

 

[hobbo1]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

 

[GCfan]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

 

[BAGNF05]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

It’s clear they know about two things. Ebbs and Flows.

 

[TigerWest]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

Send them a email and give them your advice, I am sure they will welcome it?

 

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

 

[mike]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

 

[TigerWest]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

Pascoe would have sign off, before it went to the board I would think?
But he would take advice from his experts. You don't pay them huge salaries for them to sit back and let Pascoe do all the work?

 

[BAGNF05]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

And he announces signings and beats his chest about them before they come here and play ‘Wests Tigers ball’

 

[tony soprano]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

 

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

Pascoe would have sign off, before it went to the board I would think?
But he would take advice from his experts. You don't pay them huge salaries for them to sit back and let Pascoe do all the work?

Didn't he appiont his experts?