Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust

@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473399) said:
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@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473389) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473379) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473378) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473377) said:
Jacinta Ardern has announced the yet to be built Australian nuclear propelled submarines are banned from NZ waters.

Jacinta is never shy to jump onto a zero cost opportunity to virtue signal.

If the subs are any good, she wont even know.

I have no doubt she would be happy for NZ firms to subcontract on the build.

I would hope that they are excluded. Why should they profit from it if we will not be able to enter their territorial waters?

Australia should declare that we promise not to use the submarines to enter NZ territorial waters, not even to defend NZ.

It's not even worth responding to IMO, no one is ever going to attack NZ lol.

Interesting thought experiment, nuclear fusion is gaining traction, does NZ's non-nuclear stance apply to fusion technology? It would be foolish to abandon net gain energy generation.

Nuclear fusion is still decades off from commercial reality, if ever. They won’t even have the theoretical 20 Tesla coil (magnet) ready until 2035 at the earliest to see if a sustained reaction is even possible.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473391) said:
The one concern I do have with nuclear propulsion subs (I'm generally pro-nuclear in terms of peaceful application,) is do the RAN have the adequately qualified personnel to man these subs? Will we be sourcing American or British nuclear engineers to assist or possibly serve (not sure how that would work.)

Traditionally, the RAN has recruited submariners from the RN and RCN. I would imagine WA offers a significant upgrade in lifestyle over the RN naval base at Falsane. This may attract many UK families to Australia.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473399) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473390) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473389) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473379) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473378) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473377) said:
Jacinta Ardern has announced the yet to be built Australian nuclear propelled submarines are banned from NZ waters.

Jacinta is never shy to jump onto a zero cost opportunity to virtue signal.

If the subs are any good, she wont even know.

I have no doubt she would be happy for NZ firms to subcontract on the build.

I would hope that they are excluded. Why should they profit from it if we will not be able to enter their territorial waters?

Australia should declare that we promise not to use the submarines to enter NZ territorial waters, not even to defend NZ.

It's not even worth responding to IMO, no one is ever going to attack NZ lol.

In all seriousness, I know where I would be testing the subs stealth capacity.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473381) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473379) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473378) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473377) said:
Jacinta Ardern has announced the yet to be built Australian nuclear propelled submarines are banned from NZ waters.

Jacinta is never shy to jump onto a zero cost opportunity to virtue signal.

If the subs are any good, she wont even know.

I have no doubt she would be happy for NZ firms to subcontract on the build.

Jacinda is a gutless leader who was prepared to throw the 5 eyes intelligence alliance under the bus so as not to upset her friends in China. She is virtue signalling now because she knows that this is going to upset China and she is signalling to her friends in the CCP.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56970640

It's hard to disagree with you. Jacinda does seem disinclined to upset the Chinese. NZ's recent non-commitment to 5 eyes activities is worrying.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473390) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473389) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473379) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473378) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473377) said:
Jacinta Ardern has announced the yet to be built Australian nuclear propelled submarines are banned from NZ waters.

Jacinta is never shy to jump onto a zero cost opportunity to virtue signal.

If the subs are any good, she wont even know.

I have no doubt she would be happy for NZ firms to subcontract on the build.

I would hope that they are excluded. Why should they profit from it if we will not be able to enter their territorial waters?

Australia should declare that we promise not to use the submarines to enter NZ territorial waters, not even to defend NZ.

That would be good.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473405) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473391) said:
The one concern I do have with nuclear propulsion subs (I'm generally pro-nuclear in terms of peaceful application,) is do the RAN have the adequately qualified personnel to man these subs? Will we be sourcing American or British nuclear engineers to assist or possibly serve (not sure how that would work.)

Traditionally, the RAN has recruited submariners from the RN and RCN. I would imagine WA offers a significant upgrade in lifestyle over the RN naval base at Falsane. This may attract many UK families to Australia.

Stirling Is a nice base. Was on it once to welcome my son back from the Middle East. Stood there blubbering as the ship sailed into view with the full ship's company standing to attention on the decks. One of the most moving things I've ever seen.
 
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There are 6 countries who have nuclear submarines and only once has the US shared its nuclear power technology with another country and that was the UK.

I recall the Pig (F-111) made our neighbours nervous with its capabilities. I always loved that aircraft together with the gravel trucks.
 
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473425) said:
There are 6 countries who have nuclear submarines and only once has the US shared its nuclear power technology with another country and that was the UK.

I recall the Pig (F-111) made our neighbours nervous with its capabilities. I always loved that aircraft together with the gravel trucks.

Loved the F-111. Such a cool design, and a good looking aircraft. I built models of the Australian version, now long blown up and lost in mock battles.
 
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473425) said:
There are 6 countries who have nuclear submarines and only once has the US shared its nuclear power technology with another country and that was the UK.

I recall the Pig (F-111) made our neighbours nervous with its capabilities. I always loved that aircraft together with the gravel trucks.

I lived about 20 kms from the Amberley base at Ipswich ...and you could still occasionally hear them late at night doing whatever they were doing at that time .....the noise closer must have been insane
 
@mike said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473428) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473425) said:
There are 6 countries who have nuclear submarines and only once has the US shared its nuclear power technology with another country and that was the UK.

I recall the Pig (F-111) made our neighbours nervous with its capabilities. I always loved that aircraft together with the gravel trucks.

Loved the F-111. Such a cool design, and a good looking aircraft. I built models of the Australian version, now long blown up and lost in mock battles.

You will enjoy this from RAF Fairford Airshow 1993 with Pig from RAAF. The dump fuel and light afterburner is always a favourite. It never fails to inspire me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMIDEv4WRL8
 
@carefactor said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473409) said:
De-lec subs can also be super quiet , but refueling hampers their traveling distance. 👍

Well there you go, I read somewhere they were louder. Thanks for clarifying.
 
@coivtny said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473412) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473381) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473379) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473378) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473377) said:
Jacinta Ardern has announced the yet to be built Australian nuclear propelled submarines are banned from NZ waters.

Jacinta is never shy to jump onto a zero cost opportunity to virtue signal.

If the subs are any good, she wont even know.

I have no doubt she would be happy for NZ firms to subcontract on the build.

Jacinda is a gutless leader who was prepared to throw the 5 eyes intelligence alliance under the bus so as not to upset her friends in China. She is virtue signalling now because she knows that this is going to upset China and she is signalling to her friends in the CCP.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56970640

It's hard to disagree with you. Jacinda does seem disinclined to upset the Chinese. NZ's recent non-commitment to 5 eyes activities is worrying.

She won't be able to whinge they become subject of surveillance then.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473445) said:
@carefactor said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473409) said:
De-lec subs can also be super quiet , but refueling hampers their traveling distance. ?

Well there you go, I read somewhere they were louder. Thanks for clarifying.

Transit speed and time on station would be significant benefits of nuclear powered submarines. Also just possessing at least 8 provides more of a deterrent.
 
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Reuters reporting on Australia's acquisition of new submarines.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-get-us-nuclear-submarine-technology-china-looms-large-2021-09-15/
 
Lost in the submarine announcement is the purchase of Tomahawk cruise missiles for the Hobart Class destroyers and presumably to be fitted to the new SSNs. Also the RAAF is to receive the JASSM-ER (range over 900 km) with suggestions this could mean the purchase of B21 long range strike bomber. There are lots of announcements today.
 
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@happy_tiger said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473429) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Shipbuilding Osborne Naval Shipyard South Aust](/post/1473425) said:
There are 6 countries who have nuclear submarines and only once has the US shared its nuclear power technology with another country and that was the UK.

I recall the Pig (F-111) made our neighbours nervous with its capabilities. I always loved that aircraft together with the gravel trucks.

I lived about 20 kms from the Amberley base at Ipswich ...and you could still occasionally hear them late at night doing whatever they were doing at that time .....the noise closer must have been insane

Probably 50ft off the ground drills.. lol
 
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