Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[momo_amp_medo]

I swear reporters read this forum and then purposely create these article to watch us squirm

Well it may very well to be right .... but thinking about it logically .... I think NOT!
Simply because Cap wise, Melbourne are not doing too well and taking on those two on current contract value would be close to impossible on their situation. And
I doubt that Souths could compensate them too much as they would be struggling to come up with figures that The Fox wants .... unless it’s another shonk low contract deal. And then there is the small matter of this seasons Arrow possible switch ..... which would really stuff their Cap management.
So maybe BUT Naaaaaah!

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I swear reporters read this forum and then purposely create these article to watch us squirm

Well it may very well to be right .... but thinking about it logically .... I think NOT!
Simply because Cap wise, Melbourne are not doing too well and taking on those two on current contract value would be close to impossible on their situation. And
I doubt that Souths could compensate them too much as they would be struggling to come up with figures that The Fox wants .... unless it’s another shonk low contract deal. And then there is the small matter of this seasons Arrow possible switch ..... which would really stuff their Cap management.
So maybe BUT Naaaaaah!

And just in closing ..... I can see a very big poker game currently being played out .... and lots of bluffing with empty hands. I think we hold lots of chips so just saying ....!

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I swear reporters read this forum and then purposely create these article to watch us squirm

Well it may very well to be right .... but thinking about it logically .... I think NOT!
Simply because Cap wise, Melbourne are not doing too well and taking on those two on current contract value would be close to impossible on their situation. And
I doubt that Souths could compensate them too much as they would be struggling to come up with figures that The Fox wants .... unless it’s another shonk low contract deal. And then there is the small matter of this seasons Arrow possible switch ..... which would really stuff their Cap management.
So maybe BUT Naaaaaah!

The whole article was just some bloke’s speculative idea of what could happen. Should’ve just been a post on a forum, not a bloody news article, because it’s not news!

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I think we should try hard to get AD & AJ to improve backline. If we have to pay overs so be it. Once we can improve and get into the finals hopefully we can turn perceptions around and not be paying overs and disrespected by both clubs, player managers and players.

I find it incredible we have been pushing the final 8 last few years and coming 9th at seasons end, yet the troika of clubs, managers and players think less of us than Titans and the others regualrly below us.

Do you really think that AJ and Doueihi will really take this squad deep into the finals or even in the finals in general?

With the forward pack we’re going to be trotting out this year, yes.

 

[teddy23]

I for one applaud Pascoe for not wanting to pay the full price for Doueihi and approaching this carefully unlike when in the Ivan era when we threw big money at the first available players such as Packer, Reynolds and Mbye

Being patient and waiting for the right player will only benefit us for the long term and not put us in the same position in a few years

That’s all well and good, but who is that right player teddy? Douehi is an up and coming talent, Meaney also. While we’re waiting around for that right player who may never actually come, other teams continue to build and leave us in their wake.

It’s the NRL, dominos continue to fall each day that passes

Players will want out, clubs will try move on players to clear space it’s how the game is starting to work unfortunately

Jumping at the first available player will only be leading us to be discussing this same topic in a few years time especially when that player is an individual who can’t even crack a start at Souths

 

[avocadoontoast]

Understand where you’re coming from, however do we really wanna continue paying on potential or should we look to buy polished players who have proven they can perform consistently week in week out
Doueihi showed some promise for a few weeks, so now we offer him 500k?
Would prefer to wait for a specialist fullback to become available, we need to be patient in terms of spending this money just like the bulldogs seem to be doing
Also, you’re acting like there’s no downside when there really is it’s not like they’re coming on a 1 year deal, they will wanna come for about 3 years and we’re stuck with them if they don’t perform

We've tried buying polished players but haven't been successful in landing anyone. That comes later. For now we have to do the best we can with what money we have.

The salary cap in 2020 is $9.5m. That means that Doueihi, our starting fullback and future 5/8 when Benji retires, is taking up only 5% of the cap. I think his price tag reflects the fact that he only played 10 or so games last year. If he had played the whole season, his price tag might be significantly higher.

Also, let's remember we have offered Stefano near $300k per season and he's a forward who has NEVER played an NRL game. $500k for a 21 year old spine player is not a lot to spend. We need to stop thinking about value for money all the time and focus purely on quality and talent. It's the only way we are ever going to have on field success.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Most of these rumours are from Zero Tackle , level bloggers / sort of journos , with an axe to grind or agenda . I saw one implying the roosters were after Douehi , only to read further and find out it was an “opinion piece “ . It’s garbage masquerading as journalism .
None of those types have the connections or relationships to do the real work . Which leaves us with click bait rubbish to sift through .

 

[Tim Sheens]

Understand where you’re coming from, however do we really wanna continue paying on potential or should we look to buy polished players who have proven they can perform consistently week in week out
Doueihi showed some promise for a few weeks, so now we offer him 500k?
Would prefer to wait for a specialist fullback to become available, we need to be patient in terms of spending this money just like the bulldogs seem to be doing
Also, you’re acting like there’s no downside when there really is it’s not like they’re coming on a 1 year deal, they will wanna come for about 3 years and we’re stuck with them if they don’t perform



We've tried buying polished players but haven't been successful in landing anyone. That comes later. For now we have to do the best we can with what money we have.

The salary cap in 2020 is $9.5m. That means that Doueihi, our starting fullback and future 5/8 when Benji retires, is taking up only 5% of the cap. I think his price tag reflects the fact that he only played 10 or so games last year. If he had played the whole season, his price tag might be significantly higher.

Also, let's remember we have offered Stefano near $300k per season and he's a forward who has NEVER played an NRL game. $500k for a 21 year old spine player is not a lot to spend. We need to stop thinking about value for money all the time and focus purely on quality and talent. It's the only way we are ever going to have on field success.

Can see both sides and still uncertain, so squarely on the fence.

Does anybody here know how many Top 30 positions the bunnies have filled?

 

[240z]

I for one applaud Pascoe for not wanting to pay the full price for Doueihi and approaching this carefully unlike when in the Ivan era when we threw big money at the first available players such as Packer, Reynolds and Mbye

Being patient and waiting for the right player will only benefit us for the long term and not put us in the same position in a few years

Respect your opinion but i'm completely on the other end of the spectrum. All three of those players you mentioned are on contracts around 50% higher than what Doueihi is on. Furthermore he's young so there is plenty of upside to him whereas there was only downside on those guys (Mbye excluded as he's young but just overpriced).

Lastly, everyone can see we have trouble attracting players for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam on this forums. The only way that will change is with an improvement in on field performance. Are we are stronger team with AD playing 1? No doubt about it. Souths were far stronger when they gave him the 1 jersey.

So we can either sign a good young player and see how much he can help us this year, or we can play the Mr Thrifty role and hope someone wants to come and play for us during the season or in 21. And BTW the disputed sum is $100k, 1% of the cap.

Understand where you’re coming from, however do we really wanna continue paying on potential or should we look to buy polished players who have proven they can perform consistently week in week out

Doueihi showed some promise for a few weeks, so now we offer him 500k?

Would prefer to wait for a specialist fullback to become available, we need to be patient in terms of spending this money just like the bulldogs seem to be doing

Also, you’re acting like there’s no downside when there really is it’s not like they’re coming on a 1 year deal, they will wanna come for about 3 years and we’re stuck with them if they don’t perform

Mate there are NO polished players who want to play for us.......

Take what we can at a decent price and help to improve them with quality coaching and support

 

[teddy23]

Understand where you’re coming from, however do we really wanna continue paying on potential or should we look to buy polished players who have proven they can perform consistently week in week out
Doueihi showed some promise for a few weeks, so now we offer him 500k?
Would prefer to wait for a specialist fullback to become available, we need to be patient in terms of spending this money just like the bulldogs seem to be doing
Also, you’re acting like there’s no downside when there really is it’s not like they’re coming on a 1 year deal, they will wanna come for about 3 years and we’re stuck with them if they don’t perform



We've tried buying polished players but haven't been successful in landing anyone. That comes later. For now we have to do the best we can with what money we have.

The salary cap in 2020 is $9.5m. That means that Doueihi, our starting fullback and future 5/8 when Benji retires, is taking up only 5% of the cap. I think his price tag reflects the fact that he only played 10 or so games last year. If he had played the whole season, his price tag might be significantly higher.

Also, let's remember we have offered Stefano near $300k per season and he's a forward who has NEVER played an NRL game. $500k for a 21 year old spine player is not a lot to spend. We need to stop thinking about value for money all the time and focus purely on quality and talent. It's the only way we are ever going to have on field success.

So the Knights can have one of the worst seasons in the history of the NRL, but somehow manage to sign Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer

We miss out on signing Latrell and now it means stop going for talented players bc they’ll never consider us, when was the last time we’ve been linked to a player of his calibre? We are so use to being interested in buying players who show potential and get forced out by their current club that we only continue to be dealing with this same predicament of taking years to finally clear the space then repeating the same mistake when we have the money once again

Who says he’s going to be our 6 in 2021? He hasn’t proven he can consistently perform on the NRL stage for a season and we’re already penciling him to be the successor to Benji, when we have the money to go out and buy quality representitive players instead?

Stefano and Doueihi are different situations, Stefano is being signed on less than an NRL average contract and basing off how Parra have reacted to him coming here and how Souths are basically trying to push Doueihi to come here should tell you enough

When you say we should stop worrying about value, I’m sorry but that’s just ridiculous it should be our number 1 priority as I refuse as a fan to be sitting here in a few years with this same problem bc we didn’t want to be patient and pay players who have shown they’re worth the money

 

[JD Tiger]

I think that 400/500 for Douehi is value for money. The figure of Storm paying 350 for JAC is not a yardstick at all. Were paying 900/950 for MBye...

 

[TheDaBoss]

I swear reporters read this forum and then purposely create these article to watch us squirm

Well it may very well to be right .... but thinking about it logically .... I think NOT!
Simply because Cap wise, Melbourne are not doing too well and taking on those two on current contract value would be close to impossible on their situation. And
I doubt that Souths could compensate them too much as they would be struggling to come up with figures that The Fox wants .... unless it’s another shonk low contract deal. And then there is the small matter of this seasons Arrow possible switch ..... which would really stuff their Cap management.
So maybe BUT Naaaaaah!

And just in closing ..... I can see a very big poker game currently being played out .... and lots of bluffing with empty hands. I think we hold lots of chips so just saying ....!

Yea and we r not just putting them all on black as well

 

[avocadoontoast]

So the Knights can have one of the worst seasons in the history of the NRL, but somehow manage to sign Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer

Yep don't have any idea why they managed to land those guys, but we've been unable to.

We miss out on signing Latrell and now it means stop going for talented players bc they’ll never consider us, when was the last time we’ve been linked to a player of his calibre?

when did I say anything about talent? I think AD is highly talented. Perhaps not as established, but definitely talented.

Who says he’s going to be our 6 in 2021? He hasn’t proven he can consistently perform on the NRL stage for a season and we’re already penciling him to be the successor to Benji, when we have the money to go out and buy quality representitive players instead?

He'd be a walk up starter as fullback in our team now, and that's from only playing around 10 games last season. It shows he has talent and with the right coaching and a good forward pack, he could be excellent. His background is as a 6 so it would make sense for him to play there in the future.

Tell me the last time we bought a current representative player? And not the cook islands or samoa.

Stefano and Doueihi are different situations, Stefano is being signed on less than an NRL average contract and basing off how Parra have reacted to him coming here and how Souths are basically trying to push him to come here should tell you enough

You are so badly misinformed there. Souths fans are fuming Doueihi is even considering leaving. They rate him massively.

When you say we should stop worrying about value, I’m sorry but that’s just ridiculous it should be our number 1 priority as I refuse as a fan to be sitting here in a few years with this same problem bc we didn’t want to be patient and pay players who have shown they’re worth the money


Taking the value approach when you have a million dollars in cap space and you're 8 weeks out from round 1 doesn't make any sense, you'll be left sitting in the corner with a stack of cash while all the other clubs do what it takes to strengthen their team. We need to spend the money we have on players that improve our team and not be continuously haunted by the actions of Cleary in the past - he signed older players in their twilight on huge salaries. Doueihi is in a completely different category. He's young with heaps of talent and unlimited upside.

We need to improve our performances on the field NOW. We need to make the finals this year.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Understand where you’re coming from, however do we really wanna continue paying on potential or should we look to buy polished players who have proven they can perform consistently week in week out
Doueihi showed some promise for a few weeks, so now we offer him 500k?
Would prefer to wait for a specialist fullback to become available, we need to be patient in terms of spending this money just like the bulldogs seem to be doing
Also, you’re acting like there’s no downside when there really is it’s not like they’re coming on a 1 year deal, they will wanna come for about 3 years and we’re stuck with them if they don’t perform



We've tried buying polished players but haven't been successful in landing anyone. That comes later. For now we have to do the best we can with what money we have.

The salary cap in 2020 is $9.5m. That means that Doueihi, our starting fullback and future 5/8 when Benji retires, is taking up only 5% of the cap. I think his price tag reflects the fact that he only played 10 or so games last year. If he had played the whole season, his price tag might be significantly higher.

Also, let's remember we have offered Stefano near $300k per season and he's a forward who has NEVER played an NRL game. $500k for a 21 year old spine player is not a lot to spend. We need to stop thinking about value for money all the time and focus purely on quality and talent. It's the only way we are ever going to have on field success.

Can see both sides and still uncertain, so squarely on the fence.

Does anybody here know how many Top 30 positions the bunnies have filled?

Bunnies have 29 spots filled

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I for one applaud Pascoe for not wanting to pay the full price for Doueihi and approaching this carefully unlike when in the Ivan era when we threw big money at the first available players such as Packer, Reynolds and Mbye

Being patient and waiting for the right player will only benefit us for the long term and not put us in the same position in a few years

That’s all well and good, but who is that right player teddy? Douehi is an up and coming talent, Meaney also. While we’re waiting around for that right player who may never actually come, other teams continue to build and leave us in their wake.

It’s the NRL, dominos continue to fall each day that passes

Players will want out, clubs will try move on players to clear space it’s how the game is starting to work unfortunately

Jumping at the first available player will only be leading us to be discussing this same topic in a few years time especially when that player is an individual who can’t even crack a start at Souths

Since Douehi was a Balmain Tiger. You would think it would take a lot of the uncertainty out of the potential purchase. Even ask Seyfarth about him

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Are we using the right bait?

 

[Telltails]

Neither here nor there about Douehi havnt seen him play enough and when I did it was at half. I do know paying overs for up and coming players usually ends up with expectation that they can't live up to. No good for player or club. Glad it's not me having to make these decisions.

 

[Tiger_2795]

Any rumours on a marquee player for the nines?

 

[teddy23]

So the Knights can have one of the worst seasons in the history of the NRL, but somehow manage to sign Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer

Yep don't have any idea why they managed to land those guys, but we've been unable to.

We miss out on signing Latrell and now it means stop going for talented players bc they’ll never consider us, when was the last time we’ve been linked to a player of his calibre?

when did I say anything about talent? I think AD is highly talented. Perhaps not as established, but definitely talented.

Who says he’s going to be our 6 in 2021? He hasn’t proven he can consistently perform on the NRL stage for a season and we’re already penciling him to be the successor to Benji, when we have the money to go out and buy quality representitive players instead?

He'd be a walk up starter as fullback in our team now, and that's from only playing around 10 games last season. It shows he has talent and with the right coaching and a good forward pack, he could be excellent. His background is as a 6 so it would make sense for him to play there in the future.

Tell me the last time we bought a current representative player? And not the cook islands or samoa.

Stefano and Doueihi are different situations, Stefano is being signed on less than an NRL average contract and basing off how Parra have reacted to him coming here and how Souths are basically trying to push him to come here should tell you enough

You are so badly misinformed there. Souths fans are fuming Doueihi is even considering leaving. They rate him massively.

When you say we should stop worrying about value, I’m sorry but that’s just ridiculous it should be our number 1 priority as I refuse as a fan to be sitting here in a few years with this same problem bc we didn’t want to be patient and pay players who have shown they’re worth the money


Taking the value approach when you have a million dollars in cap space and you're 8 weeks out from round 1 doesn't make any sense, you'll be left sitting in the corner with a stack of cash while all the other clubs do what it takes to strengthen their team. We need to spend the money we have on players that improve our team and not be continuously haunted by the actions of Cleary in the past - he signed older players in their twilight on huge salaries. Doueihi is in a completely different category. He's young with heaps of talent and unlimited upside.

We need to improve our performances on the field NOW. We need to make the finals this year.

- The Knights signed those players due to them waiting and being patient while having the cap space when no one else did...... including us

- You said that polished players don’t wanna consider us, you’re basing that off Latrell declining us, when was the last time we’ve gone that hard for a player of his calibre?

- Let’s be honest any fullback would make our squad, no disrespect to Thompson but he shouldn’t be the standard we’re basing off especially with the money that we have available

- That’s what I’m trying to tell you, we haven’t bought one cause we continue trying to buy reject players such as Doueihi and not focus on trying to buy current representative players and be patient for when they become available

- I’m not misinformed as the club is literally shopping him around, regardless to what the fans are saying Souths are trying to find a team to pick him up - if he was that valuable and great wouldn’t they just keep him and play him as a utility off the bench?

- It’s a long term game, this isn’t a 1 year contract otherwise I’d be up for it, if we sign him we’re paying that money for several years and if he doesn’t perform are stuck with him, Doueihi has just come back from an ACL injury too.... can’t see how anyone is against us being patient especially when they’ve seen what this club has endured the last decade

Also:

Mbye was 24
Reynolds was 28
Packer was 28

These were still relatively young players when we signed them

 

[Geo]

So the Knights can have one of the worst seasons in the history of the NRL, but somehow manage to sign Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer

Also somehow finish behind Wests Tigers..go figure..