Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

Ah ,has anyone noticed in the Justin Pascoe tweet that he refers to Stefano’s position as slot 30 . ie. 28 and 29 have been allocated . Is it a Freudian slip or something else ?

That isn't what Pascoe actually says, re-read the tweet. Poster asks Pascoe specifically about Stefano and leaving the 30th position open. Pascoe replies that 30th spot won't rush the decision, also, re Stefano, joining 2021.

He never actually says Stefano is #30 and he never says 28 or 29 are locked.

>MadMudgeeTiger
@MadMudgeeTiger
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12h
@NBWT__
Any news on the Stephano situation.? Surely we leave the 30th full time position open in the hope of him being released before June 30... Failing that, see what other market moves eventuate around that time.? Any comments re: this @JustinPascoeWT
.?
Justin Pascoe
@JustinPascoeWT
Replying to
@MadMudgeeTiger
and
@NBWT__
We will review spot 30 , we don’t need to rush into that decision yet - re stefano he will join the club for the 2021 season

 

[jirskyr]

So, use the common sense test mate.
You seem to defend them at every. single. point…which is fine. You are a fan, but so am I.

The "common sense test" is what nuffies at the pub use on Saturday afternoons to keep their conversation going.

You have an opinion, fine, state it as an opinion - "what I would have done is XXX".

Instead "absolute incompetency" and "we could have SIMPLY held Matterson until Stefano was eligible".

Tigers released Matto on 30/Oct/19. We weren't officially allowed to talk to Stefano until 01/Nov/19. Now maybe we could have held Matto in anticipation of going for Stefano, then releasing Matto as a deal. Or maybe Stefano tells us to get stuffed and we have Matto still hanging around like a bad smell. Or maybe Matto is pure poison and they wanted the dude gone. Or maybe they just didn't want to have Matto being paid out doing nothing, or worse, bringing the team down.

Or just maybe, we didn't have the funds or inclination to go for Stefano UNTIL Matto was released.

We just don't know what really happened. You don't know, I don't know. So don't assume that you do know what was the best action to take.

Because you misunderstand, I'm not defending the club, nor attacking the club - I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement, so I reserve judgement. You don't seem to understand the difference between actually defending the club, based on what you know as fact, versus not attacking the club because you don't have enough facts.

You are deadset becoming the new stryker.

 

[twentyforty]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

I agree, but there’s obviously something we’re overlooking?
Why did Matterson need to go before November 1st and Stef come at a later date? Seems easy to meet on the bridge and walk steadily to the center at midnight right?

 

[happy_tiger]

Ah ,has anyone noticed in the Justin Pascoe tweet that he refers to Stefano’s position as slot 30 . ie. 28 and 29 have been allocated . Is it a Freudian slip or something else ?

That isn't what Pascoe actually says, re-read the tweet. Poster asks Pascoe specifically about Stefano and leaving the 30th position open. Pascoe replies that 30th spot won't rush the decision, also, re Stefano, joining 2021.

He never actually says Stefano is #30 and he never says 28 or 29 are locked.

>MadMudgeeTiger
@MadMudgeeTiger
·
12h
@NBWT__
Any news on the Stephano situation.? Surely we leave the 30th full time position open in the hope of him being released before June 30... Failing that, see what other market moves eventuate around that time.? Any comments re: this @JustinPascoeWT
.?
Justin Pascoe
@JustinPascoeWT
Replying to
@MadMudgeeTiger
and
@NBWT__
We will review spot 30 , we don’t need to rush into that decision yet - re stefano he will join the club for the 2021 season

We won't rush into because no one worth jack squat is showing any interest

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

Yep.

Absolute incompetency.

I have seen posters here say "we had to keep negotiatons with Stefano secret"....

But, no...we could have simply held Matterson until Stefano was elegible to be spoken with and then said "here you go, the NSW 18th man you wanted...but you pay his salary to date AND we get the kid".

Parra see Matterson as the guy who puts them up to GF level...they courted him for months. Deal would have been easy and quick.

Only us...honestly, only us cave in so meekly.

Storm and even the terrible Titans refusing to cave. Eeels have got their 7 for years AND nsw squad member from us in return for absolutely nothing.

Oh please ..... give me a break.
Posts like this from so called fans with lots of speculative criticism and little knowledge as to how to rebuild a club and playing roster from ground up.

 

[Make Tigers GA]

A salary cap year commenced on 1 November. Releasing Matto before 1 November means none of his salary counts to the 2020 salary cap. His 2020 contract - on reports - was 400-450k. Reports indicate Parra matched that - which means that this eats into their 2020 salary cap. All the rest is imponderable speculation and uncertainty of “what ifs”. Eg - what if we didn’t release Matto until Feb 2020, And Parra then offered SU more Money and he stayed with them. What if SU rejected Parra and and we released Matto on 1 Feb 2020, then, Parra would be paying 1/3rd less for Matto this year and we get no value for the salary we paid Matto to that date and no certainty they would release SU in any event. I’m not supporting the decision but pointing out that the decision made was one within the range of reasonable decisions available to the Club and I don’t fault them for doing so

 

[diedpretty]

I think its getting to the stage where one has to decide whether to post anything on this forum anymore. There are a few self righteous self opinionated people on here who bag anything , everything and anyone that puts forward something they don't agree with. If you don't like someones opinion just say you disagree with it instead of belittling people as though they are idiots and behaving as though you are the anointed ones.

 

[tony soprano]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

Are you worry worts going to rehash this every couple of weeks for the next 12 months. ?

No worry on my part - just an observation of maybe we stuffed up and should have held matterson until the Uto... deal was done and then leveraged mattersons release to get a release for Uto. Not sure why you think that is being a worry wort.

The club decided that not contributing to matterson salary for 2020 Was more important, it’s annoying this keeps being brought up.

 

[tony soprano]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

Yep.

Absolute incompetency.

I have seen posters here say "we had to keep negotiatons with Stefano secret"....

But, no...we could have simply held Matterson until Stefano was elegible to be spoken with and then said "here you go, the NSW 18th man you wanted...but you pay his salary to date AND we get the kid".

Parra see Matterson as the guy who puts them up to GF level...they courted him for months. Deal would have been easy and quick.

Only us...honestly, only us cave in so meekly.

Storm and even the terrible Titans refusing to cave. Eeels have got their 7 for years AND nsw squad member from us in return for absolutely nothing.

The club decided they didn’t want to start paying matterson salary for 2020 and turfed a player who didn’t want to be there.

Do you understand that are just happy to sook continually

 

[tony soprano]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.


You could go back and look at Doueihi’s rise to the top grade and label him an accidental Bunnies player in any position. He may become a test player by accident as well?

I'm not sure where your going with this? I was simply stating that I don't think Doueihi is being pushed out because he isn't good enough? Geo said it's strange that Wayne is giving his position away but I'm not sure that is his position because he was only put there again because someone else on the team couldnt
do the job.

Wayne is giving his position away to appease the new sook on the block (Latrell).
If we are any chance of securing a player like JAC then we need to hold funds in reserve, not blow it on a Jack Of All Trades.
Corey is more in the Tedesco mould than Doueihi so let’s show some patience and ready ourselves for the JAC showdown - guns are 10 paces.
Also, quality players will be released by clubs to be cap compliant and will be forced to pay freight.
In the meantime lock in BJ, he adds to passion and mongrel we need, I see him as John Hopoate#2. (They were exciting times, until the finger was unleashed)

Also us signing doueihi will just assist with Souths signing addo car too.

So let’s not sign anyone because it might help another club sign a player that we may want but that player may need want us,is it a given that Addo-Carr wants to come back

That’s right unless it’s market value which doueihi is not.

 

[ElleryHanley]

So, use the common sense test mate.
You seem to defend them at every. single. point…which is fine. You are a fan, but so am I.

The "common sense test" is what nuffies at the pub use on Saturday afternoons to keep their conversation going.

You have an opinion, fine, state it as an opinion - "what I would have done is XXX".

Instead "absolute incompetency" and "we could have SIMPLY held Matterson until Stefano was eligible".

Tigers released Matto on 30/Oct/19. We weren't officially allowed to talk to Stefano until 01/Nov/19. Now maybe we could have held Matto in anticipation of going for Stefano, then releasing Matto as a deal. Or maybe Stefano tells us to get stuffed and we have Matto still hanging around like a bad smell. Or maybe Matto is pure poison and they wanted the dude gone. Or maybe they just didn't want to have Matto being paid out doing nothing, or worse, bringing the team down.

Or just maybe, we didn't have the funds or inclination to go for Stefano UNTIL Matto was released.

We just don't know what really happened. You don't know, I don't know. So don't assume that you do know what was the best action to take.

Because you misunderstand, I'm not defending the club, nor attacking the club - I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement, so I reserve judgement. You don't seem to understand the difference between actually defending the club, based on what you know as fact, versus not attacking the club because you don't have enough facts.

You are deadset becoming the new stryker.

No idea who 'stryker' is....

Simple facts are we caved in to two players....Parra got a potential 5-8 year half back and a potential Origin player. Facts.

We got no one. Facts.

Matterson was an ace up our sleeve......yet we dealt it before the transfer period even heated up.

None of the issues you mention could not have been handled. Matterson would have sooked....so what. Let him sit there and sook until we had a deal in place. Hung around like a bad smell? So what. Off season, tons of time to wait and make a deal. If we kept him a month longer we could have dealt him for Stefano....or part of a JAC deal....an Origin level player on 450 would not have been hard to move.

Let's agree to disagree...

 

[ElleryHanley]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

Yep.

Absolute incompetency.

I have seen posters here say "we had to keep negotiatons with Stefano secret"....

But, no...we could have simply held Matterson until Stefano was elegible to be spoken with and then said "here you go, the NSW 18th man you wanted...but you pay his salary to date AND we get the kid".

Parra see Matterson as the guy who puts them up to GF level...they courted him for months. Deal would have been easy and quick.

Only us...honestly, only us cave in so meekly.

Storm and even the terrible Titans refusing to cave. Eeels have got their 7 for years AND nsw squad member from us in return for absolutely nothing.

The club decided they didn’t want to start paying matterson salary for 2020 and turfed a player who didn’t want to be there.

Do you understand that are just happy to sook continually

You do realise we could have moved Matterson at any point AND made sure Parramatta paid that back salary ? A whole month's pay...that would not have broken a deal for an Origin 18th man.

Continual? Praised the coach. Praised the kids coming through. Praised the pack.

 

[jirskyr]

I think its getting to the stage where one has to decide whether to post anything on this forum anymore. There are a few self righteous self opinionated people on here who bag anything , everything and anyone that puts forward something they don't agree with. If you don't like someones opinion just say you disagree with it instead of belittling people as though they are idiots and behaving as though you are the anointed ones.

That's how forums work mate.

A few people bag the club, a few people bag the people who bag the club. A few people bag those people.

Most people don't react strongly unless the posts are themselves strong. So strong "opinions" bring strong responses, I think.

And this is not to pick on you, but I want you to understand what I am seeing when you posted today.

>@diedpretty We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn’t we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

(1) Your opinion is we made a mess of handling Matterson. OK. Based on what? Based on (2) an assumption we must have already being talking to Stefano.

But we all know officially we couldn't have spoken to Stefano before 1st Nov, and given that he reportedly signed at the end of November, there's no facts to indicate that we spoke to him before we released Matto.

Then (3) "Why didn't we just seal the deal with Stefano and hold Matterson?" Very many potential reasons and nobody can say, truly, that Tigers could simply have held Matterson for another month on suspicion of signing Stefano, as leverage. We have no idea what was going on between the club and Matto at the time; we don't even have any indicator that Tigers would have known that Eels were coming to the Matto party.

Then (4) "we would have had the kid for this year". No, you don't know that. That's a guess on your part, you have no idea what would have really happened if we held Matto as a bargaining chip for any further discussions with other clubs about other players. Eels may have still held Stefano regardless, for exactly the same reasons they are holding him now, and maybe Matterson goes somewhere else.

So I see too much commentary with guesswork or hindsight and I feel that opens you for warranted criticism. Your argument is pretty speculative and wobbly, no offense to you personally.

THEN your next post is
>@diedpretty just an observation of maybe we stuffed up

Your first post is "we really made a mess". Second post "maybe we stuffed up". Probably second post is less inflammatory to other folks, but then you are softening your stance at the same time.

Again this is not a criticism of you personally, that's just how it can read to other folks, and there's nothing to this forum beyond than how things read.

Also, frankly, I think a lot of people are tired of rehashing old discussions like what we should have done with Matto. There's been a thousand posts on it already, it's well and truly over, might argue it's pointless to keep revisiting it.

 

[tony soprano]

Easy to hate parra
But we messed by letting Matterson and Moses go without any sort of compensation
Lucky we were able to land LL
I really hope stefano joins us but in 2021

We really made a mess of the Matterson saga. We must have been in talks with Utoikamanu while the matterson mess was happening. Why didn't we just seal the deal and tell the slime we would release matterson when they release Stefano. We may have had to pay matterson 1 month of his contract but would have had the young kid for this year.

Yep.

Absolute incompetency.

I have seen posters here say "we had to keep negotiatons with Stefano secret"....

But, no...we could have simply held Matterson until Stefano was elegible to be spoken with and then said "here you go, the NSW 18th man you wanted...but you pay his salary to date AND we get the kid".

Parra see Matterson as the guy who puts them up to GF level...they courted him for months. Deal would have been easy and quick.

Only us...honestly, only us cave in so meekly.

Storm and even the terrible Titans refusing to cave. Eeels have got their 7 for years AND nsw squad member from us in return for absolutely nothing.

The club decided they didn’t want to start paying matterson salary for 2020 and turfed a player who didn’t want to be there.

Do you understand that are just happy to sook continually


You do realise we could have moved Matterson at any point AND made sure Parramatta paid that back salary ? A whole month's pay...that would not have broken a deal for an Origin 18th man.

Continual? Praised the coach. Praised the kids coming through. Praised the pack.

Well we can’t all be screwed negotiators like you.

Me, I’d rather not spent a cent on a person like that out of my own money and can respect and understand that decision.

And most importantly MOVE ON

 

[Newtown]

Guys, I think that Doueihi may always have been going to Easts.

There was a poster either here or LU, I cant remember note that they had bumped into Doueihi at Fox Entertainment Quarter a week or so ago. What would Doueihi have been doing at EQ? Roosters head office is at EQ.

He might have been ten pin bowling out there. Friend of a friend's neighbours dog told me that he likes bowling.

No surprise. Happens so very often to Wests Tigers

 

[Geo]

Wait a second..we should have kept a bloke who obviously tanked..Slimey.....as well as a bloke who had tanking potential...good solid base to build right there..

 

[jirskyr]

None of the issues you mention could not have been handled. Matterson would have sooked…so what. Let him sit there and sook until we had a deal in place. Hung around like a bad smell? So what. Off season, tons of time to wait and make a deal. If we kept him a month longer we could have dealt him for Stefano…or part of a JAC deal…an Origin level player on 450 would not have been hard to move.

Revisit these comments in light of what just happened with Latrell and Roosters.

I think you underestimate how important team harmony and culture is, especially to a redeveloping club like Tigers, and how even mildly negative impacts can unravel a team.

Mitch Pearce pretended to root a dog once and the entire season for Easts was ruined. From a distance, Pearce was just being a fool and it was not related to any other player at a personal or public level, yet the team was absolutely and entirely derailed.

So Roosters could have held Latrell indefinitely whilst trying to use him as a bargaining chip. Roosters did not get a single thing in transfer for Latrell - he was not used as leverage in any deal favouring Roosters. Even to the ultimate point where Roosters both paid out his old manager AND released him with 2 months pay under his belt to their arch-nemesis. Roosters basically burned a tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands whilst Latrell went fishing in Taree.

And lo, 2 weeks later, their ready-made Latrell replacement does his ACL. Arguably, in hindsight, Roosters really could/should have held Latrell until a deal came up that was specifically in their favour. I mean, they are the Roosters, by many accounts they can do what they please.

Tigers avoided all that nonsense, all the media circus, by releasing Matto before the pre-season. And that's without even giving a moment's thought to the potential bargaining position wrt Stefano, about which we can only speculate.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Wait a second..we should have kept a bloke who obviously tanked..Slimey.....as well as a bloke who had tanking potential...good solid base to build right there..

Not 'kept'......'used'.

Ie sent to reserve grade until a deal suited us. Moses spends a month in reserves, so what.::

Kept a trade chip. Like the Storm are doing....

I do not see how this stuff is so hard to comprehend.

Anyway....lets move on.

 

[Newtown]

Douehi appears to have slipped by. Has BJ Leiluia been signed by Wests Tigers or is he another of the very long list that has slipped from Wests Tigers grasps?

 

[Geo]

Wait a second..we should have kept a bloke who obviously tanked..Slimey.....as well as a bloke who had tanking potential...good solid base to build right there..


Not 'kept'......'used'.

Ie sent to reserve grade until a deal suited us. Moses spends a month in reserves, so what.::

Kept a trade chip. Like the Storm are doin....

I do not see how this stuff is so hard to comprehend.

Anyway....lets move on.

Your presuming the other Club or whatever remain keen..they could also move on...