Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[twentyforty]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

True. And how long before Melbourne decides they’ll chuck an offer towards Luciano mid contract?

I think a good outcome for WT would be a 50% share of Josh’s first year remuneration, effectively reducing Josh’s take home to less than his current contract, with the subsequent years of his contract unlimited. Therefore at Manly’s discretion they can make up any loss to Josh. If all contracts were written this way, there would be a lot less player movement, and a lot less excitement over the offseason. ?

 

[the_third]

Off topic but doesn’t anyone know when the NRL draw for next year will be released?

Google it - same time every year

 

[BAGNF05]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

True. And how long before Melbourne decides they’ll chuck an offer towards Luciano mid contract?


I think a good outcome for WT would be a 50% share of Josh’s first year remuneration, effectively reducing Josh’s take home to less than his current contract, with the subsequent years of his contract unlimited. Therefore at Manly’s discretion they can make up any loss to Josh. If all contracts were written this way, there would be a lot less player movement, and a lot less excitement over the offseason. ?

I think the salary cap auditor is looking at the rules, always have plenty of faith in him haha it’ll be interesting to see what pans out.

 

[the_third]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

Didn’t he say commercial advantage and didn’t have to be from manly?

 

[cochise]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

True. And how long before Melbourne decides they’ll chuck an offer towards Luciano mid contract?

I think what is more important is pressuring the NRL to put rules in place to stop this sort of behaviour from Managers, players and clubs.

Sounds like Lee is pushing for it too

Yeah he is, I think that is far more important than what happens with JA

 

[cochise]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

 

[BAGNF05]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

I think I have a slightly higher opinion of Aloiai which is no biggie, our offers are incredibly hampered by Clearys genius work

 

[TillLindemann]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

Yes they would be stupid. So perhaps if we dig our heels in for a player swap they'll get cold feet and we'll end up stuck with Aloiai anyway.

 

[cochise]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

I think I have a slightly higher opinion of Aloiai which is no biggie, our offers are incredibly hampered by Clearys genius work

It shouldn't have been as he isn't off contract till after both Packer and Reynolds contracts expire.

 

[cochise]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

Yes they would be stupid. So perhaps if we dig our heels in for a player swap they'll get cold feet and we'll end up stuck with Aloiai anyway.

Good point,I don't want him here after his actions.

 

[BAGNF05]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

I think I have a slightly higher opinion of Aloiai which is no biggie, our offers are incredibly hampered by Clearys genius work

It shouldn't have been as he isn't off contract till after both Packer and Reynolds contracts expire.

Could have upgraded and extended based on his career year

 

[twentyforty]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

True. And how long before Melbourne decides they’ll chuck an offer towards Luciano mid contract?


I think a good outcome for WT would be a 50% share of Josh’s first year remuneration, effectively reducing Josh’s take home to less than his current contract, with the subsequent years of his contract unlimited. Therefore at Manly’s discretion they can make up any loss to Josh. If all contracts were written this way, there would be a lot less player movement, and a lot less excitement over the offseason. ?


I think the salary cap auditor is looking at the rules, always have plenty of faith in him haha it’ll be interesting to see what pans out.

Q. If Josh’s WT contract is $400k. He walks to Manly on a $600k contract. Manly give $300k to Josh and $300k to WT. How much cap is reduced at both clubs?

 

[cochise]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

I think I have a slightly higher opinion of Aloiai which is no biggie, our offers are incredibly hampered by Clearys genius work

It shouldn't have been as he isn't off contract till after both Packer and Reynolds contracts expire.

Could have upgraded and extended based on his career year

He was in discussions about an extension for $450k, the club could have said $460k next year, $550k the year after. Cleary's signings had no impact on his offer. The club obviously valued him at the the $400k-$450k mark if the reports are to believed.

 

[gallagher]

I think if we get nothing from manly then he stays and plays, if form warrants.

 

[BAGNF05]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

While I agree, what I think is more important is a successful season next year and Aloiai playing reserves doesn't add to that.

I’m content to completely disregard 2021 if it means the club will no longer be the dead carcass to the vultures of the NRL. We won’t win while we have the ‘rich three’ anyway.

We are improving the roster, a top 8 spot is not out of the question for next year. I we are in the 8 all year next year then that makes recruitment for 2022 so much easier.

Yes try and get something from Manly, I doubt they will give up anything, but don't damage 2021 to prove a point. Instead get the rules fixed by the NRL, hit the message hard that these rules are hurting the game. Even if you release him speak about your reluctance to do so and how the rules need to be changed .

The important thing about this is not making Aloiai waste in reserve grade, it is ensuring it doesn't happen again, the best way to do that is to get rules in place to prevent it.


I am not in favour of him in reggies, I want us to get a Sironen or a Schuster. But if Manly don’t play ball then our message to the NRL should be look, we have our best prop playing reserve grade because of your rules.

The more I think about it Aloiai has been low-balled too (due to earlier failings in recruiting) he was our best forward last year and is better than he’s getting credit for. A teams best forward is worth at least 500K a year.

Giving up our best forward two years in a row will just fan the perception that we’re a push over.

I agree rule changes are needed but will Politis, Rusty and co?

I think our offer was more than fair, if Manly give up Siro or Schuster then they re plain stupid, they have already over committed to JA.

I think I have a slightly higher opinion of Aloiai which is no biggie, our offers are incredibly hampered by Clearys genius work

It shouldn't have been as he isn't off contract till after both Packer and Reynolds contracts expire.

Could have upgraded and extended based on his career year

He was in discussions about an extension for $450k, the club could have said $460k next year, $550k the year after. Cleary's signings had no impact on his offer. The club obviously valued him at the the $400k-$450k mark if the reports are to believed.

Fair enough. It’s all a bit speculative but how we signed those Nuffies on 600-700+ I’ll never know.

 

[Harvey]

Getting some money ball vibes off our recruitment at the moment

These guys might not work out but they’ve got a point to prove and at their best can be damaging players to play against. Madge and hartigan have once again managed to find some decent signing options when it looked like there wasn’t any

Fingers crossed we do okay next year and can entice some big names to join us

If they don't work out they are failures ...whether you paid 150 k or 750 k for them

Big difference. You can afford to keep the 150k player in the roster as a break glass in case of emergency first grader. When the same output is costing you 750k it has major implications.

We would not be as desperate to offload Reynolds and Packer if they were on less than 200k

 

[jadtiger]

What about getting JA to apologies publicly and to the playing group and play out the season at WT.

Letting down the playing group is a very strong motivating factor.

Nobody would believe a word of what he would say.He couldnt have been more disrespectful to everyone connected to the club.

 

[BAGNF05]

I hope that if we sign Joe O, the club doesn’t go ‘oh that’s a good replacement for Aloiai, he can go to manly now’

Screw that, demand compensation from Manly still. Sironen or they can pay us a couple hundred grand for us. Just because we’ve signed someone in his spot doesn’t mean we should let him go

They won’t have a choice they will want the player starting training shortly and Aloai gone. We will need the cap room. Will play out the same way as it did Matterson. We brought Leilua in who arguably had the better season at a lower cost.
NRL has to fix this.

Do we need the cap room? He’s on $350k and we’ve got plenty of cap left even with signing Roberts and Joe O. Don’t see the need to release him, make manly compensate us

I agree but I don’t see it happening. Manly are clever why would they compensate us they have signed him for 2022.

Because they're pretty desperate for a prop for next season.

They have already offered him more than he is worth so I doubt they will want him to cost them anything more.

Let him sit in reserves then, that’s their fault for doing a bad deal

Of course it is, I think they have offered him a stupid amount. If we can use his money or squad spot to improve our roster then let him go.

Not too much on the market. Of course if we found someone We wanted to take his spot then go for it but doubt that happens for a bit. In the mean time let’s keep talking to manly and see if we can get a deal out of them

If we get a player from Manly while they pay Aloiai $600k then tht would be one of the worst recruitment decision I have seen a club make. Up there with Hunt being a $1m+ player.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see how bad they want him. A swap is always hard because the clubs need to agree and the players need to agree so it’s a long process. While we have no reason to release him we need to push manly into doing something though even if it’s just financial compensation

Not if it damages us by trying to make a point. The most important thing for us is to improve our squad, not prove a point.

As it stands Wests Tigers contracts aren’t worth anything, the moment a stronger club wants you, you can walk. We need to make a point that that ends here. Lee was pretty strong on that and I’m 100% behind him. Will be very disillusioned if he backs down

He’ll make us look stupid if he doesn’t get some compensation from manly.

True. And how long before Melbourne decides they’ll chuck an offer towards Luciano mid contract?


I think a good outcome for WT would be a 50% share of Josh’s first year remuneration, effectively reducing Josh’s take home to less than his current contract, with the subsequent years of his contract unlimited. Therefore at Manly’s discretion they can make up any loss to Josh. If all contracts were written this way, there would be a lot less player movement, and a lot less excitement over the offseason. ?


I think the salary cap auditor is looking at the rules, always have plenty of faith in him haha it’ll be interesting to see what pans out.


Q. If Josh’s WT contract is $400k. He walks to Manly on a $600k contract. Manly give $300k to Josh and $300k to WT. How much cap is reduced at both clubs?

Depends if it’s the Roosters books

 

[TigerTone]

Getting some money ball vibes off our recruitment at the moment

These guys might not work out but they’ve got a point to prove and at their best can be damaging players to play against. Madge and hartigan have once again managed to find some decent signing options when it looked like there wasn’t any

Fingers crossed we do okay next year and can entice some big names to join us

If they don't work out they are failures ...whether you paid 150 k or 750 k for them

They’re still failures but for $150k you’re not too upset by it. I think Joe O is a riskier signing he was pretty average this year and is on good money. It’ll hurt us if Madge can’t get him to perform

Ahh the old “if Madge can get him to perform”.

If this forum is be believed, his wife has been sick, which would mess any player up. Isaako had a similarly tough year losing his father.

His wife clearly had cancer dude . There’s plenty of photos of her going through that process . Its funny how insensitive people are , with other people’s grief and stress . Bosses be like “ we are a family , come to me if you need a chat “ , also bosses “your performance has been poor this year , you need to pick your act up “ totally forgetting the reason you went to them in the first place . Narcissism to the max .

My concern is a bloke who had a brand new bub and a sick Mrs being asleep drunk behind the wheel of his car

If he was my brother I'd give him a clip and tell him to wake up to himself


If he was a rogue like an Allan Langer or Munster you could cop it .....he isn't in their leagues .....me I'd pass on him

. . . If he was your brother, and you gave him a clip . . . it might be YOU he'd be telling to wake up after he knocked you on your arse.

Could've been alot worse for him had he kept driving.:man-shrugging:

 

[Harvey]

Someone send the full article, it’s behind a paywall
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fsport%2Fnrl%2Fnrl-2020-james-roberts-signs-with-wests-tigers-on-2-year-contract-sports-confidential%2Fnews-story%2F62ce703f3aa84169e028a03bd03e5759&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

I think it has been posted before:
Wests Tigers are also considering making a play for a Curtis Sironen homecoming as part of a potential swap deal between Manly and Sironen’s former club.

The move could mean Sironen returns to the Tigers which would allow disgruntled prop Josh Aloiai to switch to the Sea Eagles immediately. The Tigers are steadfast in their belief they will not release Aloiai unless they find a suitable replacement and expect him back at training on November 30.

Tigers back-rower Luke Garner could also be part of any trade deal although Tigers officials are adamant he will fulfil the final two years of his deal.

Sironen is off-contract at the end of next year and it is understood the Sea Eagles would consider an opportunity for the 27-year-old to return to the Tigers on a long-term deal.

The Sironen name is synonymous with the Tigers after Curtis’s dad Paul was a star at the club in the 1980s and 1990s.

Curtis made his debut for the Tigers in 2012 and played 65 games before joining Manly in 2017 where he has established himself as an edge back-rower while Garner played under-20s at the Sea Eagles before making his debut at the Tigers. Aloiai has had a highly publicised fallout with his current club and the situation is now untenable. The Tigers are privately shocked how quickly the relationship has soured given how popular Aloiai has been with his contributions on and off the field. He was thought of as a potential captaincy option with suggestions Moses Mbye will stand down from the role.