Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[GNR4LIFE]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

Except it is not a rebuilding year. As of 2018 our cap is balanced and we are on an even playing field with 15 other clubs.

 

[supercoach]

2018 we will be competitive but introducing so many new players to the club is going to be a real hard ask and really I can't think of to many clubs who have recruited heavily that have had instant success.

It also has to be remembered with the world cup being played is going to have a effect on the preseason with some of our squad spread around most of the competing teams.

I also think we still are missing some real speed and a goal kicker that will win you the close games. Anyway they showed enough at the back end of the season to at least give you hope, but no Woods and no Tedesco will be big shoes to fill

 

[hammertime]

Except it is not a rebuilding year. As of 2018 our cap is balanced and we are on an even playing field with 15 other clubs.

mmm…we have a new coach, practically a new roster (from what limited players were available), change in culture and uncertainty around positions and potential.

You must have a different definition of a rebuild to me GNR.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Except it is not a rebuilding year. As of 2018 our cap is balanced and we are on an even playing field with 15 other clubs.

mmm…we have a new coach, practically a new roster (from what limited players were available), change in culture and uncertainty around positions and potential.

You must have a different definition of a rebuild to me GNR.

I think we have different interpratations of what the phrase "rebuild" means. By round 1 next year, Cleary will have been in the job for almost a year, not exactly new anymore. The roster overhaul this year was the heart of the rebuild. Rebuilding is when you are resigned to accepting poor results while you strengthen for the future. That sounds a lot like what happened this year

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

 

[Geo]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

Most definitely Justin Pascoe stated on the sacking of Jason Taylor ' As an organisation…We will not allow another season to drift'...oh wait..

 

[steve-o]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

I never said anything about top 4\. There's no way we'll be in the top 4 next year IMO. However I do I do expect us to be a lot more competitive in 2018, and at least be in finals contention all the way through round 26\. If we limp out of the gate and our season is over by July, I'll be very disappointed

 

[hammertime]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

Come on man, we finally have a good complete management team and coach that haven't yet had a full year together and you're already putting people on a 'chopping bloke'?

Regardless of whoever this chopping bloke is, more instability and change is DEFINITELY not what we need. It's been exactly our problem.

As supporters, we really shouldn't make the job of the media easier (who obviously have a vendetta). The endless barrage of what management have endured so far is tough. Lets not add to that. We've got the right guys in there finally with a clean slate - lets give them our support, not threats.

 

[Telltails]

Except it is not a rebuilding year. As of 2018 our cap is balanced and we are on an even playing field with 15 other clubs.

mmm…we have a new coach, practically a new roster (from what limited players were available), change in culture and uncertainty around positions and potential.

You must have a different definition of a rebuild to me GNR.

I think we have different interpratations of what the phrase "rebuild" means. By round 1 next year, Cleary will have been in the job for almost a year, not exactly new anymore. The roster overhaul this year was the heart of the rebuild. Rebuilding is when you are resigned to accepting poor results while you strengthen for the future. That sounds a lot like what happened this year

Dont often agree GNR - but with you on this one. The last thing we need the players to think is that this is another rebuild year. We have invested good money on seasoned FG. players with a good mix of youth, and that needs to translate with results on the field. We have some depth in positions now, and barring a horror run with injuries at the very least we need to be knocking on the door of the eight.

 

[tigerap]

Except it is not a rebuilding year. As of 2018 our cap is balanced and we are on an even playing field with 15 other clubs.

mmm…we have a new coach, practically a new roster (from what limited players were available), change in culture and uncertainty around positions and potential.

You must have a different definition of a rebuild to me GNR.

I think we have different interpratations of what the phrase "rebuild" means. By round 1 next year, Cleary will have been in the job for almost a year, not exactly new anymore. The roster overhaul this year was the heart of the rebuild. Rebuilding is when you are resigned to accepting poor results while you strengthen for the future. That sounds a lot like what happened this year

Dont often agree GNR - but with you on this one. The last thing we need the players to think is that this is another rebuild year. We have invested good money on seasoned FG. players with a good mix of youth, and that needs to translate with results on the field. We have some depth in positions now, and barring a horror run with injuries at the very least we need to be knocking on the door of the eight.

If we don't finish 2018 in positions 6-8 , we have failed simple as that…The Roosters went from 15th in 2016, leaking 24 points a game to 2nd in 2017....if they can do it why can't the WT!

 

[larrycorowa]

Top 8 is a pass mark. Anything less and you could expect another hefty turnover in the roster. If players don't perform we identify them and replace them until we have a competitive team. Hopefully it takes one year but maybe 2-3 as long as we keep moving in the right direction. We are coming from a long way back and it won't happen overnight.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Do we know if Cleary has signed any decent coaches yet?

 

[Geo]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

Come on man, we finally have a good complete management team and coach that haven't yet had a full year together and you're already putting people on a 'chopping bloke'?

Regardless of whoever this chopping bloke is, more instability and change is DEFINITELY not what we need. It's been exactly our problem.

As supporters, we really shouldn't make the job of the media easier (who obviously have a vendetta). The endless barrage of what management have endured so far is tough. Lets not add to that. We've got the right guys in there finally with a clean slate - lets give them our support, not threats.

Justin Pascoe stated on the sacking of Jason Taylor ' As an organisation…We will not allow another season to drift'...

This was not media or fan driven..it was from the CEO..

So this statement was hot air...?

 

[hammertime]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

Come on man, we finally have a good complete management team and coach that haven't yet had a full year together and you're already putting people on a 'chopping bloke'?

Regardless of whoever this chopping bloke is, more instability and change is DEFINITELY not what we need. It's been exactly our problem.

As supporters, we really shouldn't make the job of the media easier (who obviously have a vendetta). The endless barrage of what management have endured so far is tough. Lets not add to that. We've got the right guys in there finally with a clean slate - lets give them our support, not threats.

Justin Pascoe stated on the sacking of Jason Taylor ' As an organisation…We will not allow another season to drift'...

This was not media or fan driven..it was from the CEO..

So this statement was hot air...?

As you say, he said it in the context of JT after 2.5 years of effort. JT wasn't building or improving on prior years. Drifting. So he made a change.

That doesn't mean cleary has the responsibility to try and improve on JTs foundations, he needs to restructure. By doing that, we won't be drifting.

I'm obviously outvoted here. I've said my peace.

 

[colmcd]

Pascoe & Go said 'as an organisation, not playing finals football is not an option'.

If we dont make the Top 8 in 2018, someone needs to be put on the chopping bloke regardless of the never-ending excuses and retric of 'next year'

Come on man, we finally have a good complete management team and coach that haven't yet had a full year together and you're already putting people on a 'chopping bloke'?

Regardless of whoever this chopping bloke is, more instability and change is DEFINITELY not what we need. It's been exactly our problem.

As supporters, we really shouldn't make the job of the media easier (who obviously have a vendetta). The endless barrage of what management have endured so far is tough. Lets not add to that. We've got the right guys in there finally with a clean slate - lets give them our support, not threats.

Justin Pascoe stated on the sacking of Jason Taylor ' As an organisation…We will not allow another season to drift'...

This was not media or fan driven..it was from the CEO..

So this statement was hot air...?

As you say, he said it in the context of JT after 2.5 years of effort. JT wasn't building or improving on prior years. Drifting. So he made a change.

That doesn't mean cleary has the responsibility to try and improve on JTs foundations, he needs to restructure. By doing that, we won't be drifting.

I'm obviously outvoted here. I've said my peace.

No Hammertime, you are spot on.

 

[Mac_tiger]

"As you say, he said it in the context of JT after 2.5 years of effort. JT wasn't building or improving on prior years. Drifting. So he made a change.

That doesn't mean cleary has the responsibility to try and improve on JTs foundations, he needs to restructure. By doing that, we won't be drifting."

JT was always hamstrung by most of the cattle at his disposal, much of it as a result of poor contract/salary cap decisions made prior. While i always wanted JT to succeed, i don't think he could ever have attracted the players that Ivan has.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

JT was hamstrung by JT .he had nothing but excuses, there was no consequence for crap play. Or lack of effort

 

[Tim Sheens]

Clearly had more than half the cap to get who he wanted for his first full season and has had the majority of a season to start molding the players that are already here. If they don't perform, then other than himself there are very few places or people to point blame at.

 

[The-moP]

If our star signing McQueen is a no show for us, we should have a crack at Ben Murdoch-Masila and bring him back to the Tigers. I think he's played under Cleary at Penrith ? He had an outstanding season in the UK Super League, and was named in the Super League Dream Team.

 

[Tim Sheens]

If our star signing McQueen is a no show for us, we should have a crack at Ben Murdoch-Masila and bring him back to the Tigers. I think he's played under Cleary at Penrith ? He had an outstanding season in the UK Super League, and was named in the Super League Dream Team.

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