Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Geo]

Is there a reason we have been so quiet in the player market recently?
I assume there is cap room.
Many other teams are making moves.
Are we targeting specific players or are we being over looked?
It's pretty clear we need some upgrades/depth.

Outside back and back rower are being targeted..tbh their is not a great deal of quality available at the moment..you are only looking at player 20 or 21 from the top echelon teams or someone not happy in the bottom teams..

Would have option to upgrade development players but they will be given more time to see if it's worthwhile taking a roster spot as they can play this year after Rd 10 anyway..

Wests Tigers definitely have Cap space but need to decide whether it better of filling spots for the sake of it or funnelling into 2022 and go hard then..

 

[ElleryHanley]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

 

[ElleryHanley]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

No Dazza ...just has to be managed correctly at this stage of his career ..like Baa had to be at the Dogs


I get that now, but are we assuming Pooper means based on what Reynolds saw back then, he won't be managed well now?? or was it that Madge forced Reynolds to played injured back then..... - I just though the comment from the Poopster was a bit vague....as usual

Madge still forces players to play injured .....Mbye has said it ,Matterson has said it , Grant said it

That is all true.

There are two ways of looking at it...

1. Mbye you are on 800 grand...get out there and earn it! In the old days, players played with far worse than floating bone in their knees.

VS

2. Mbye obviously was pressured to play hurt, may have long term probs as a result, and most players know Madge has a rep for pushing players. Good or bad, that rep is there.

 

[Telltails]

Re. The Hooper speculation - it's a two way street with Maguire knowing what Reynolds is capable of and or not, and instead of Hooper taking the position of Reynolds not interested there is every chance that we are not interested in funding another retirement package.

 

[851]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

And this is the reason we can't land a decent player, unless we are the only club chasing a player, we invariably lose out, and I think Madge plays a huge part in deterring these players, he needs to change his attitude, and change it fast

 

[TigerWest]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

No Dazza ...just has to be managed correctly at this stage of his career ..like Baa had to be at the Dogs


I get that now, but are we assuming Pooper means based on what Reynolds saw back then, he won't be managed well now?? or was it that Madge forced Reynolds to played injured back then..... - I just though the comment from the Poopster was a bit vague....as usual

Madge still forces players to play injured .....Mbye has said it ,Matterson has said it , Grant said it

We have a medical staff that would assess fitness to play surely
I would think a coach could not over ride this assessment ?
Just because a player has a niggle shouldn’t preclude him from playing, if he can play, the team only has a 30 team roster when filled.

 

[ElleryHanley]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

And this is the reason we can't land a decent player, unless we are the only club chasing a player, we invariably lose out, and I think Madge plays a huge part in deterring these players, he needs to change his attitude, and change it fast

I think Madge can attract younger guys in their teens / early 20s. Simpkin, Blore, Stefano etc. Young, hungry and they feel invincible.

I have said for a while we are no chance of landing a current / elite level rep player though...all we can get are basically discards and unwanted senior players.

So, we need to hope the younger guys develop into elite players 'and' don't want to leave.

 

[TigerWest]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

And this is the reason we can't land a decent player, unless we are the only club chasing a player, we invariably lose out, and I think Madge plays a huge part in deterring these players, he needs to change his attitude, and change it fast

Again, when do the players take ownership of there performance?
If we start winning, we will attract players.

 

[ElleryHanley]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

And this is the reason we can't land a decent player, unless we are the only club chasing a player, we invariably lose out, and I think Madge plays a huge part in deterring these players, he needs to change his attitude, and change it fast

Again, when do the players take ownership of there performance?
If we start winning, we will attract players.

In terms of ownership....our defense was historically bad last season, conceding 26 plus a record 15 straight games.

This season, 30-40% of the team each week are new players / did not play in 2020...and yet the defensive record is the same.

Which suggests it is the structures they are being taught / the coach needs to change things.

 

[avocadoontoast]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

No Dazza ...just has to be managed correctly at this stage of his career ..like Baa had to be at the Dogs


I get that now, but are we assuming Pooper means based on what Reynolds saw back then, he won't be managed well now?? or was it that Madge forced Reynolds to played injured back then..... - I just though the comment from the Poopster was a bit vague....as usual

Madge still forces players to play injured .....Mbye has said it ,Matterson has said it , Grant said it

Please.

Please who ???

Souths players mentioned it as well .....how long did Harry Grant play with his injured hand for example

I even mentioned it before the Warriors game , rest a few players

You believe everything players tell you

So your assertion is three different players who have never complained about any other coach are all in some way conspiring against Madge?

Have you considered that perhaps it’s true and maybe there is a correlation between this and our inability to attract big name players as well as our continued decline in performances? He may have won a premiership in the past but his style, both tactically and regarding man management, does not suit the modern game.

 

[JD Tiger]

I would say yes to Naden. We need two centres, he would do a good job as one, and considering we've got BJ on around $550k Naden is offering better value. I'd be happy with paying him similar but slightly less money than BJ.

Two years is good, would love a third year club option.

 

[Thaiger]

Naden does not fit my profile of a good signing unless he is on very little money. If we are paying him anything greater than $350k per season it would be a no from me. If we have to make him in our top half of high paid players then we are screwing ourselves long term strategically.

Yeah i'm not a big fan of Naden

If we could get him immediately then ok, we need immediate reinforcements out wide. Sign him on an 18 month contract at 200k with a club option for another year at 300k. That's all he deserves.

He's unproven and with a lot of off field issues. He's not exactly significantly better than what we have now, we can't afford to give long contracts to players who are 50/50 chances of mostly playing nsw cup. He's got to prove himself otherwise he'll be here for the cushy job

Tigers seem to be developing a fairly strong indigenous connection across the various grades. Naden may fit right in and feel at home with a heap of fellow indigenous players around him. No doubt the bloke has talent however definitely needs to stay off the bags, especially the night before a game. If he came reasonably cheap then he's not the worst signing.

Here we go again - signing a player who really could be another one who just chews up a space with off field issues etc, and far from being a fait accompli successful purchase - in other words just high risk. I wouldn't go near him.

It seems to me we are just clutching at straws yet again and if we had played the longer game a few seasons ago we might have been reaping greater rewards now.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Is there a reason we have been so quiet in the player market recently?
I assume there is cap room.
Many other teams are making moves.
Are we targeting specific players or are we being over looked?
It's pretty clear we need some upgrades/depth.

Outside back and back rower are being targeted..tbh their is not a great deal of quality available at the moment..you are only looking at player 20 or 21 from the top echelon teams or someone not happy in the bottom teams..

Would have option to upgrade development players but they will be given more time to see if it's worthwhile taking a roster spot as they can play this year after Rd 10 anyway..

Wests Tigers definitely have Cap space but need to decide whether it better of filling spots for the sake of it or funnelling into 2022 and go hard then..

Probably for the best, yeah agree not too much that isn't already signed up long term, happy for WTs to keep their powder dry this year and get a more complete picture of where the current team is at, but it's going to be tough viewing. Hopefully we take the opportunity to blood some young players later in the year.

 

[TrueTiger]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

It does not make him a 'cotton wool baby'...he is a tough player. Madge pushed him to play hurt, he almost broke down for good.

Since then, coaches like Bennet, have managed his time / training and at 30 he is looking the best he has in years.

It is not "cotton wool", it is common sense.

Madge, like him or or loathe him, is old school. 1000 miles an hour / get out there and play.

Problem is that players know this and they also know that such an approach can knock years off their career.

And this is the reason we can't land a decent player, unless we are the only club chasing a player, we invariably lose out, and I think Madge plays a huge part in deterring these players, he needs to change his attitude, and change it fast

Again, when do the players take ownership of there performance?
If we start winning, we will attract players.

In terms of ownership....our defense was historically bad last season, conceding 26 plus a record 15 straight games.

This season, 30-40% of the team each week are new players / did not play in 2020...and yet the defensive record is the same.

Which suggests it is the structures they are being taught / the coach needs to change things.

Maybe the new players and the ones from last year are still learning these structures....I will say it again,its easy to get the basics of rugby league,tackle,run hard and support your team mates...
The key to it is how a player applies himself to doing these basics well...The whole team has to work as a unit...communication and organisation are the key elements to get through your structures....
when these two key points get delivered on the field,then the better this team will be....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I would say yes to Naden. We need two centres, he would do a good job as one, and considering we've got BJ on around $550k Naden is offering better value. I'd be happy with paying him similar but slightly less money than BJ.

Two years is good, would love a third year club option.

I would be looking at Sunia Turuva rather than Naden from the Panthers.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Hard to attract players as it is, hoping Luciano re-signs early on and shows some faith in the coach.

 

[Needaname]

*"As much as we’d love it to happen, the reality is it’s a hundred to one given the history between the champion little no.7 and Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

Maguire was notorious during his tenure at South Sydney for pushing players to play no matter the circumstances."*


So, does this mean Reynolds is another cotton wool baby.......

No Dazza ...just has to be managed correctly at this stage of his career ..like Baa had to be at the Dogs


I get that now, but are we assuming Pooper means based on what Reynolds saw back then, he won't be managed well now?? or was it that Madge forced Reynolds to played injured back then..... - I just though the comment from the Poopster was a bit vague....as usual

Madge still forces players to play injured .....Mbye has said it ,Matterson has said it , Grant said it

There's a difference though between asking a player to play when they're injured, and when they're not 100%. How many players are at 100% every week? Few i imagine. Does he force a player with a broken wrist or strained hammy to come back early? I seriously doubt it.

Strongers clubs may be able to give players a week off here or there to heal those bruises, we don't have the quality or depth to do so.

Yes. Didn’t the cheese come back 2 weeks early? Heard of other players playing before they are 100% Mitchell Moses was one also.
Is that really the coaches doing?
Or a combination of the willingness of the players, coach, team to want to remain competitive.
The only thing I can think of was Moses Mbye and the Bulldogs game a few years ago. I’m pretty sure the doctor said he was good to go in the warm up, then he succumbed to the injury only about 5mins in the game.
Pretty sure that trainer or Doctor was moved on for the following season.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Naden does not fit my profile of a good signing unless he is on very little money. If we are paying him anything greater than $350k per season it would be a no from me. If we have to make him in our top half of high paid players then we are screwing ourselves long term strategically.

Yeah i'm not a big fan of Naden

If we could get him immediately then ok, we need immediate reinforcements out wide. Sign him on an 18 month contract at 200k with a club option for another year at 300k. That's all he deserves.

He's unproven and with a lot of off field issues. He's not exactly significantly better than what we have now, we can't afford to give long contracts to players who are 50/50 chances of mostly playing nsw cup. He's got to prove himself otherwise he'll be here for the cushy job

Tigers seem to be developing a fairly strong indigenous connection across the various grades. Naden may fit right in and feel at home with a heap of fellow indigenous players around him. No doubt the bloke has talent however definitely needs to stay off the bags, especially the night before a game. If he came reasonably cheap then he's not the worst signing.

Here we go again - signing a player who really could be another one who just chews up a space with off field issues etc, and far from being a fait accompli successful purchase - in other words just high risk. I wouldn't go near him.

It seems to me we are just clutching at straws yet again and if we had played the longer game a few seasons ago we might have been reaping greater rewards now.

I agree Thaiger. We're better off trusting in the young players in our system.

 

[TillLindemann]

Naden does not fit my profile of a good signing unless he is on very little money. If we are paying him anything greater than $350k per season it would be a no from me. If we have to make him in our top half of high paid players then we are screwing ourselves long term strategically.

Yeah i'm not a big fan of Naden

If we could get him immediately then ok, we need immediate reinforcements out wide. Sign him on an 18 month contract at 200k with a club option for another year at 300k. That's all he deserves.

He's unproven and with a lot of off field issues. He's not exactly significantly better than what we have now, we can't afford to give long contracts to players who are 50/50 chances of mostly playing nsw cup. He's got to prove himself otherwise he'll be here for the cushy job

Tigers seem to be developing a fairly strong indigenous connection across the various grades. Naden may fit right in and feel at home with a heap of fellow indigenous players around him. No doubt the bloke has talent however definitely needs to stay off the bags, especially the night before a game. If he came reasonably cheap then he's not the worst signing.

Here we go again - signing a player who really could be another one who just chews up a space with off field issues etc, and far from being a fait accompli successful purchase - in other words just high risk. I wouldn't go near him.

It seems to me we are just clutching at straws yet again and if we had played the longer game a few seasons ago we might have been reaping greater rewards now.

Someone on here a while ago posted a video of him working on a sheep farm near Wellington where he's from - he really came across as having a good head on his shoulders. I wouldn't write him off, it's easy to make mistakes at that age, but he comes across as the kind of person who can learn and grow from those mistakes.

 

[DJG]

I'd sign Issac lui from the Roosters.

Still currently off contract and solid little nugget.