Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Balmainbred]

after hayne going back to parra don’t be surprised if GC make a play for RTS

 

[Nelson]

after hayne going back to parra don’t be surprised if GC make a play for RTS

Yeah they might, or they might try to extract French or Gutherson out of Parra (and probably end up with Josh Hoffman…). They're definitely one of the teams likely to be very active in the market next year if they release Hayne.

 

[Yossarian]

Hayne to Parramatta - lock it in Eddie!

When talking about Hayne, you need more detail than that. Is he going to the wanderers to play in the world cup next year (has always been a dream), union, Sydney thunder, rugby league, acting at the riverside theater.

What makes you think he'll be choosing between those? He can do them all AND become mayor!

 

[Tim Sheens]

If RTS goes anywhere it will be Rugby.

Definitely a strong first post, so any inside info?

Welcome to the forum as well.

 

[Tacky]

Reece Robinson –> Roosters

 

[colmcd]

Hayne to Parramatta - lock it in Eddie!

When talking about Hayne, you need more detail than that. Is he going to the wanderers to play in the world cup next year (has always been a dream), union, Sydney thunder, rugby league, acting at the riverside theater.

What makes you think he'll be choosing between those? He can do them all AND become mayor!

Hayne -> Parramatta, Pearce -> Newcastle, me -> Wenty leagues to get a few :slight_smile:

 

[colmcd]

I may not be a case of Ivan not wanting to pick Tui. But more Tui wanting to play In the halves and not at fullback.
Tell me once where you hav heard Tui mention he wants to play fullback because I haven’t.
Five eight is his preference and maybe Ivan has had a tough time trying to convince him of an alternative.

Don't you think if Ivan wanted him to play fullback in 2018 that would have been a major part of the conversation before they signed him. Ivan's too smart not to make that crystal clear. At this point he won't start ahead of Reynolds.

I'm pretty sure there is a video of tui talking about wanting to play fullback and that he had played there for most of his junior career. One of the ones when he first joined.

I like Tui, I am just not sure he is a fullback.

Lets wait and see. If he gets the role of Fullback and can take the high balls while being solid in defense we will do well. Hodges will be a good mentor for him, honestly with Hodges and Marshall around teaching him ball skills he should become dynamite with his running ability.

Personally I think Tui is a 5/8 or an impact player similar to Barba, Dugan or how Keary was used at Souths. But Ivan has him at nr1 and as long as he can read defensively he will be alright, but that's still a big job.

 

[barra]

I may not be a case of Ivan not wanting to pick Tui. But more Tui wanting to play In the halves and not at fullback.
Tell me once where you hav heard Tui mention he wants to play fullback because I haven’t.
Five eight is his preference and maybe Ivan has had a tough time trying to convince him of an alternative.

Don't you think if Ivan wanted him to play fullback in 2018 that would have been a major part of the conversation before they signed him. Ivan's too smart not to make that crystal clear. At this point he won't start ahead of Reynolds.

I'm pretty sure there is a video of tui talking about wanting to play fullback and that he had played there for most of his junior career. One of the ones when he first joined.

I like Tui, I am just not sure he is a fullback.

Lets wait and see. If he gets the role of Fullback and can take the high balls while being solid in defense we will do well. Hodges will be a good mentor for him, honestly with Hodges and Marshall around teaching him ball skills he should become dynamite with his running ability.

Personally I think Tui is a 5/8 or an impact player similar to Barba, Dugan or how Keary was used at Souths. But Ivan has him at nr1 and as long as he can read defensively he will be alright, but that's still a big job.

True Col, but I think he shows better traits for a fullback than a 6\. I don't think he is up to the full time role of steering the team, deciding the best option and executing… at least not at the highest level, which is the requirement these days and what we should be aiming for!
Whereas in the #1 he can use his best skills (speed, footwork, strength and even passing game) when they are best required.
I believe that counting numbers and organising defence can be taught - and he already has the fullback attributes that can't be taught.

 

[boonboon]

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

 

[NT_Tiger]

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

Thanks Boonboon2

 

[jirskyr]

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

Thanks for the work in comparison.

I am guessing if we looked at Tedesco's figures from some other seasons they might be better? I haven't looked it up but I suspect 2017 wasn't one of Tedesco's best years statistically.

What I think your data shows is something we already saw last year - if you want to develop attack then throw the ball to Lolohea, because he can be explosive for himself and his team-mates. If you want to create line breaks throw the ball to Tedesco, because he's difficult to tackle and splinters the defence.

I personally think Tedesco made an unacceptable number of poor decisions this year when given the ball close to the line - his pass and kick options were generally terrible, and if not that then he just ran the ball himself - and oppositions are ready for that. I know he took a lot of the attack pressure onto himself, but I think this just showed he's more of a support player than a developer of attack.

Tedesco should do better in the Roosters where he isn't constantly the primary threat.

 

[LARDS]

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

Thanks for the work in comparison.

I am guessing if we looked at Tedesco's figures from some other seasons they might be better? I haven't looked it up but I suspect 2017 wasn't one of Tedesco's best years statistically.

What I think your data shows is something we already saw last year - if you want to develop attack then throw the ball to Lolohea, because he can be explosive for himself and his team-mates. If you want to create line breaks throw the ball to Tedesco, because he's difficult to tackle and splinters the defence.

I personally think Tedesco made an unacceptable number of poor decisions this year when given the ball close to the line - his pass and kick options were generally terrible, and if not that then he just ran the ball himself - and oppositions are ready for that. I know he took a lot of the attack pressure onto himself, but I think this just showed he's more of a support player than a developer of attack.

Tedesco should do better in the Roosters where he isn't constantly the primary threat.

Lolohea better value at less than half the price

 

[Russell]

Tui would appreciate being able to chime into the attack, set up Suli and the winger. set up Milne or Nofo or indeed break the line himself or perform an astute kick into the ingoal. He has that x factor and most importantly he is not a hog or self proclaimed superstar like his predecessor.

Cleary also was a pretty handy FB, colmcd - so between him and Hodgo I am sure they will pass on some of the finer points.

He is good in defence at FB - much better than at 5/8.

Looking forward to him rewarding the Tigers for his big NRL chance.

 

[krayola]

gentleman, really? If Tui is a better than average fullback, you'd take it. He'll never be close to Tedesco and very few will.

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

Thanks for the work in comparison.

I am guessing if we looked at Tedesco's figures from some other seasons they might be better? I haven't looked it up but I suspect 2017 wasn't one of Tedesco's best years statistically.

What I think your data shows is something we already saw last year - if you want to develop attack then throw the ball to Lolohea, because he can be explosive for himself and his team-mates. If you want to create line breaks throw the ball to Tedesco, because he's difficult to tackle and splinters the defence.

I personally think Tedesco made an unacceptable number of poor decisions this year when given the ball close to the line - his pass and kick options were generally terrible, and if not that then he just ran the ball himself - and oppositions are ready for that. I know he took a lot of the attack pressure onto himself, but I think this just showed he's more of a support player than a developer of attack.

Tedesco should do better in the Roosters where he isn't constantly the primary threat.

Lolohea better value at less than half the price

 

[WestsBenTigers]

Tui makes space for his outside men and if he is given time and space in the #1 jerseys then our destructive outside backs can receive the ball in a good attack in opportunity rather than being cramped for room like when Tedesco was fullback.

Tui makes space.
Tedesco takes it away.

This year when we were in trouble we just passes the ball out the back to Tedesco then the defence would swarm him then we lose momentum. But since we have more space in the salary cap we can evenly spread our talent and have strike players in more than 1 position. This takes the pressure off the placers and will create many more opportunities.

And Tui is also a goal-kicker.

Would've loved to keep Tedesco and I'm sad to see him leave but I think our team will be better off without him.

 

[tigerap]

gentleman, really? If Tui is a better than average fullback, you'd take it. He'll never be close to Tedesco and very few will.

So I tohught I'd give you all a comparisonas that sometimes helps - Tui Lolohea has played 22 NRL games at fullback - our fullback last year Tedesco played 21 games at FB last year so its fair to compare the stats of the 2

Player - Tedesco v Lolohea
Games - 21 v 22
Tries - 5 v 4 - Tedesco just in front
Meters/Game - 119 v 102 - Teddy just in front
Try Assists - 8 v 15 - Lolohea well in front
Line Breaks - 14 v 10 Teddy in front
Line Break Asssts - 16 v 15 - Neck and Neck
Tackle Breaks - 153 v 66- Tedesco well ahead but he is well ahead of anyone in the comp
Errors - 30 v 22 - Lolohea made a lot fewer errors
Effective tackle %- 68.3% v 72.4% - Lolohea has better defensive record
Penalties COnceded - 10 v 3 - Lolohea gives away a lot less penalties

So last years FB v this years FB you would say that Teddy has a better running game but Lolohea is more creative and has better defence and less likely to leave your side facing 6 more tackles through a penalty or a error

Thanks for the work in comparison.

I am guessing if we looked at Tedesco's figures from some other seasons they might be better? I haven't looked it up but I suspect 2017 wasn't one of Tedesco's best years statistically.

What I think your data shows is something we already saw last year - if you want to develop attack then throw the ball to Lolohea, because he can be explosive for himself and his team-mates. If you want to create line breaks throw the ball to Tedesco, because he's difficult to tackle and splinters the defence.

I personally think Tedesco made an unacceptable number of poor decisions this year when given the ball close to the line - his pass and kick options were generally terrible, and if not that then he just ran the ball himself - and oppositions are ready for that. I know he took a lot of the attack pressure onto himself, but I think this just showed he's more of a support player than a developer of attack.

Tedesco should do better in the Roosters where he isn't constantly the primary threat.

Lolohea better value at less than half the price

Who is this Tedesco….?

 

[Balmainbred]

Who do Parra punt,to accommodate Hayne,I’d grab Gutho in a heartbeat.But i don’t think they would let go of him.

 

[vlad]

Who do Parra punt,to accommodate Hayne,I’d grab Gutho in a heartbeat.But i don’t think they would let go of him.

they had room under the cap although a player like Josh Hoffman might be looking to get out & go back to the Gold Coast

 

[Balmainbred]

Ok thanks

 

[swag_tiger]

Apparently the Eels are offering us French. But i'm not buying into that rumour.