Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@full80 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469144) said:
@balmainian said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469099) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1467777) said:
@the_patriot said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1467739) said:
The biggest recruitment and retention failure we have had revolves around a lack of on field leadership.

We lost Benji Marshall, Chris Lawrence and Elijah Taylor in quick succession.

Other players we had looked at for leadership like Packer, Mautalino, Musgrave,McQueen, Thompson and a couple of others did not work out for one reason or another.

These players were never replaced. All we got was a washed up James Tahmou.

It has been an epic failure to understand what we had lost and do very little to replace it. Imo its the main reason we are where we are right now. A laughing stock!

Regardless of who coaches this mess not much will change without some on field leadership. For that reason we need at least 3 good quality on field leaders.More if we can release some contracted players who arent shaping up.

Hastings and Doueihi are what i would call on field leaders but we need to add to that.

Tariqu Sims is a must.

Luke Thompson and John Bateman would also help if we could fluke one of them.

The cupboard is pretty bare, we have left it too late to identify the problem.

Hopefully a couple more senior players are set to be shopped around, we sure as hell need them.

Good post.

That's the part I'm most disappointed in Maguire. His decision to let the likes of Corey Thompson and Elijah Taylor go, and fill their spots with players perhaps more athletic but miss the experience, football IQ, and work ethic.

By 2021 we had an unbalanced roster of overpaid non-performers and promising young players with no NRL experience. We solved the fullback problem and hooker was "less" of a problem than previous years (still not solved), but we lost footy smarts and players who worked hard and led by example.

We now have massive gaps in centre, lock andprobably wing. We also have a halfback who needs to move on but has 2 years to go on a big contract.

To be fair Maguire is cutting dead wood from previous coaches purchasing.
Yeah sure he signed Tamou and Roberts but he brought big stef over, signed Blore and Laurie.
And has been restricted by big money contracts for players he didn’t sign.
He’s only now(that packer and Mbye are gone)got the team he’s ready to work with, to mould and shape the kind of unit he wants.
Be honest with yourself, it was never going to happen overnight.
Penrith said 8 years ago a five year plan, look at them now.

sacking another coach and starting the whole process again is absolutely the wrong decision.
This system of blaming than coaches and expecting instant results is bloody stupid.
Give Madge the 2 more years he’s contracted, if it gets worse than so be it.
But it won’t get better having a new coach with new coaching staff burning a season getting to know players and attitudes and


I wonder if Roberts (on small money) is also staying around because of the influence he has over our Indigenous players. He is always in the photos with Laurie (and Fitzgibbon) and if we are looking at signing more Indigenous players he would be a good respected elder player to have in the group (no matter what you think of his current form).

Sign him on a nsw cup contract if that's what you want. He doesn't belong in first grade and we simply can't afford to waste precious spots in our top30 on players who cannot perform to an nrl standard. And god knows our squad is already half full with these nuffies
 
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

Don't like his chop...or the 900K price tag..
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

I honestly dont think they want him. They have been giving him less time on the field and in the games I have watched he is starting to miss tackles. Not very mobile for the modern game maybe. They were doing the same thing with Tamou before they dropped him on us.
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

I certainly would not pay 900k for him and I am keen to pay for quality if it means getting a win Mike.
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

Not for 900k.... Maybe 500-600k but not concerned if we didn't go for him.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469617) said:
He’s a bit of a flat track bully. Good against weaker teams and smaller players but this year the good teams have contained him easily.

Its worse than that..he's lazy and only turns up on an ocassional basis,and usually against the weaker teams where he knows he can dominate..
Last thing we need
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?


At 900k he would be a poor purchase even if he was playing at his best,which he isn't.He probably still has nightmares about Stefano after our last game.
 
@magpies1963 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1468766) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1466077) said:
@aesopian said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1466026) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1465910) said:
![Screenshot_20210906-171708_Instagram.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1630912689579-screenshot_20210906-171708_instagram.jpg)

Much disrespect to MCK.
Should've had his own banner.

Lumping him with Plodders & Nuffies is a scummy move...

Honestly, the graphic is good.
MCK in the middle.

About the only one I'd consider to have actually had a go whilst he was here.
The others are all forgettable.

Good luck to him at Souths.
Ultimate 18th man.
??

MCK and Brooks are very similar in some ways @Demps
Both have played brilliant games but not enough 'good games'.


.

You know things aren’t going well when MCK has won more games for us then our high paid star halfback.
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

If we were willing to offer TPJ $750k, then I would throw that much at him. I think he’s lazy at the panthers because he has so much quality around him. If he’s willing to push himself and take the lead he would be great for us. Would also be a good perception look for the club in terms of signing someone half decent.
 
@tigerpower said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469643) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play ? Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

If we were willing to offer TPJ $750k, then I would throw that much at him. I think he’s lazy at the panthers because he has so much quality around him. If he’s willing to push himself and take the lead he would be great for us. Would also be a good perception look for the club in terms of signing someone half decent.

Ask Stefano what he thinks of Kikau
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469266) said:
@twentyforty said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469263) said:
We will eventually sign quality players, when the COM becomes the COE, and when we can prove we’re moving forward in a way that enhances the reputation of everyone connected to the club.
Sacking a coach, a player or the tea lady is not going to turn our fortunes. Gosh, we’re already seen as the graveyard of players and coaches.
We’re also seen as the club where a player can get a regular first grade spot. We need to take full advantage of that and we have been, if you run through our recruiting history? Laurie, Utoikamanu, Doueihi etc. that’s our market while we’re getting our act together.

We had success in the past with signings like that.

Taupau x Austin x Naiqama

We need to keep making those unearthed signings.
Buying Blair, Anasta, Ballin types never worked out.

Play the smart game.

I partially disagree. Older guys with only 1 or two years remaining are ok. But it comes down to a couple of factors, influence, involvement and value.
But assessing each one on what we needed and what they could bring.

Blair; paid too much for him, restructured our squad to fit him in, coach / coaches were unable to utilise him effectively.
Failed with value

Anasta; didn’t pay a lot for him. Problem was he had just finished the past 3 seasons transitioning from a half-5/8 to a ball playing forward at the Roosters (admittedly he was 5/8 in 2012 but only due to losing Carney that year) so the coaches signed him to be our half, even though he was cheap. He was in a position that required a lot of control in our side and he wasn’t up to delivering on that.
Failed with influence

Ballin; Signed when injured and attempting to recover, was cheap but wasn’t able to make the field often enough for it to be worth it. Add Mqueen to that.
Failed with involvement

Packer / Matolino; Bundled together because they pretty much suffered the same fate.
Good leaders, Winners, but the value just did not match the outcome. Paid to be starters and leaders and did that until their bodies could no longer.
Failed with value

Tamou and Grant; also bundled together as they are essentially similar. Tamou is more of a leader where as Grant probably had the age and fitness over him.
Pay wise good value, output wise horrible. And it all stemmed from out of desperation elevating their role in the team. If we were strong enough to sign both Grant or Tamou but play them off the bench, you would get the benefit of leadership, you would get a worker when it’s required at stages of the game, it would be value.
But the moment we signed the big fella we instantly put him on a pedestal and pretty much wrote his script for him. He will becoming the forward leader we needed at the Wests Tigers.
Failed with involvement.

Seems to me when your weighing up signing an old bloke to complement a young side you need to tick all three boxes.
 
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469648) said:
@tigerpower said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469643) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play ? Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

If we were willing to offer TPJ $750k, then I would throw that much at him. I think he’s lazy at the panthers because he has so much quality around him. If he’s willing to push himself and take the lead he would be great for us. Would also be a good perception look for the club in terms of signing someone half decent.

Ask Stefano what he thinks of Kikau

Pretty sure kikau has terrorised a few of our players over the years. Would rather kikau on one of our edges then garner.
 
@tigerpower said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469664) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469648) said:
@tigerpower said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469643) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play ? Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

If we were willing to offer TPJ $750k, then I would throw that much at him. I think he’s lazy at the panthers because he has so much quality around him. If he’s willing to push himself and take the lead he would be great for us. Would also be a good perception look for the club in terms of signing someone half decent.

Ask Stefano what he thinks of Kikau

Pretty sure kikau has terrorised a few of our players over the years. Would rather kikau on one of our edges then garner.

It’s all about the price though. He’s worth nowhere near 900. I’d say 650 max.
 
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1469603) said:
Viliame Kikau is set to be squeezed out of the Panthers, with Penrith unable to match the $900k offers rival clubs are willing to play 👀 Transfer Whispers: bit.ly/38SJYSg

Thoughts?

I think he'd be like his head way from his mates.
 
I think we all get too fixated with the price. It is not our job to balance the books. All we need to comment on is whether a player is a good fit for our club. If the club think they can afford him at 900 then they will go for it if they can’t afford him so be it. Remember whatever the media is quoting as a price is usually well off the mark anyway.
 

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