@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1483373) said:
We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .
To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.
A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.
I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.
I was talking years ago to some Canterbury players
When Des was coach and they had that run when they keep losing and they told me that Des was flogging them at training and the more they lost the more they got flog at training and they said on game day they had nothing in the tank
Keep hearing how much of a dinosaur and old school thinker Des is. Then I watch Manly storm into the finals.
Des completely lost the plot at the Dogs. It’s not that he lost it, he just needed to go away and lay on a beach with a cocktail and get his head back. He must have done it, cos he got it back when he returned to Manly.
2 Things- 1-Des lost it a Dogs cause he back ended contracts & took off before it came back to bite him(as he did to Manly before he left them & left poor old Tooves to pick up the mess))
2-Des did jack at Manly this year... It was no coincidence that Tom Trov returned & they started winning. They should change their name to the Manly Toms cause without him they lose.
Even if what you say is true, he created a club that was successful at Manly for a long time and won a premiership playing some of the best league I've seen. That's after they had looked like a bit of a mess before him. They had a few down years after he left and they're back now. Looking at how Barrett struggled there highlights what a quality job Hasler did. I also think Toovey was a good coach, but not a 'special one'. I think Hasler is an excellent coach. I'm sure he's made mistakes, and the Bulldogs really went sour, but he also took them to a grand final.
I completely agree that Turbo was the main reason Manly turned around their season and became a good side, but to me a coach needing good players is a given.
He was my preferred coach when Madge was hired. I also like Madge, but to me Hasler is in that class of coaches with Bennett, Robinson and Bellamy.
The points you make about Tooves & Barrett being unsuccessful i think highlights the size of the mess Hasler left behind. Just look at the mess Jason Taylor & Ivan Cleary left behind & we are still dealing with it. For mine, if a coach needs to backend contracts to gain an advantage , he isnt much of a coach.While Im not a fan of Melbourne & Roosters & believe they too gain unfair advantage from the cap, look what they have done & continue to do with "average" players. They turn them into very good players & sometimes great players. Thats good coaching. Clearly, if Hasler has to rely on Turbo to get wins , who is really coaching the side? Hasler doesnt have a winning gameplan that doesnt include Turbo. Look at Bennett losing Latrell. Souths still winning. That is a good coach.
Sorry mate, I will have to agree to disagree with on this on this one.
I dont understand the hatred or disrespect for Hasler. I can see and understand that he screwed over the Salary Cap at Bulldogs.
Barrett took a Manly team very similar to the current one to 15th in 2018 and Turbo played 22 games. The very next year Hasler took the same team to 6th and Turbo only played 12 games.
