Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[JC99]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

That’s what we thought about Matterson and Aloiai. It doesn’t take much to get out of a contract these days, especially if you play for the Tigers. We always fold.

It will definitely hurt recruitment. New Brisbane team coached by Bennett with a full salary cap… ouch.

That’s why I don’t get why there have been posts claiming the club needs to extend Stefano ASAP. Even if they extend him for 5 years, there is nothing to stop him wanting out after one year. And given this club’s recent history, it will roll over….As long as they are financially compensated of course

I agree, we should never extend anyone's contracts cause there's a small chance they might leave so what's the point? It's not like majority of players see out their contracts or anything

We had this discussion the other day, but you don’t seem to get it. Somehow you still believe locking him up now would make it guarantee he’d stick around. You still seem to think contracts mean something.

No mate, you don't seem to understand

A contract does not guarantee that a player would stick around, but it clearly HELPS keep a player around. Even if we re-sign him and THEN he leaves him being contracted means we can at least get more out of him leaving

There is literally no negatives and only positives to re-signing someone like Stefano, I'm not sure how you don't understand that. No one is saying it guarantees he will stay, we aren't dumb we've seen players leave contracts many times.

 

[Demps]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Topine is a wepp.
He's being mis used at the dogs too.

They're playing him as a hooker.
He's clearly a lock or 2RF.

Would love to sign him.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

That’s what we thought about Matterson and Aloiai. It doesn’t take much to get out of a contract these days, especially if you play for the Tigers. We always fold.

It will definitely hurt recruitment. New Brisbane team coached by Bennett with a full salary cap… ouch.

That’s why I don’t get why there have been posts claiming the club needs to extend Stefano ASAP. Even if they extend him for 5 years, there is nothing to stop him wanting out after one year. And given this club’s recent history, it will roll over….As long as they are financially compensated of course

I agree, we should never extend anyone's contracts cause there's a small chance they might leave so what's the point? It's not like majority of players see out their contracts or anything

We had this discussion the other day, but you don’t seem to get it. Somehow you still believe locking him up now would make it guarantee he’d stick around. You still seem to think contracts mean something.

No mate, you don't seem to understand

A contract does not guarantee that a player would stick around, but it clearly HELPS keep a player around. Even if we re-sign him and THEN he leaves him being contracted means we can at least get more out of him leaving

There is literally no negatives and only positives to re-signing someone like Stefano, I'm not sure how you don't understand that. No one is saying it guarantees he will stay, we aren't dumb we've seen players leave contracts many times.

You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said there were negatives to it, just that it didn’t matter. It’s not going to happen anyway. I’m sure he knows better than to recommit this early to a basket case.

 

[finnzo]

Contracts still mean something just look at Melbourne every time a player wants an early release from a contract they never give let them go. It only means nothing of the clubs let it mean nothing

 

[JC99]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

That’s what we thought about Matterson and Aloiai. It doesn’t take much to get out of a contract these days, especially if you play for the Tigers. We always fold.

It will definitely hurt recruitment. New Brisbane team coached by Bennett with a full salary cap… ouch.

That’s why I don’t get why there have been posts claiming the club needs to extend Stefano ASAP. Even if they extend him for 5 years, there is nothing to stop him wanting out after one year. And given this club’s recent history, it will roll over….As long as they are financially compensated of course

I agree, we should never extend anyone's contracts cause there's a small chance they might leave so what's the point? It's not like majority of players see out their contracts or anything

We had this discussion the other day, but you don’t seem to get it. Somehow you still believe locking him up now would make it guarantee he’d stick around. You still seem to think contracts mean something.

No mate, you don't seem to understand

A contract does not guarantee that a player would stick around, but it clearly HELPS keep a player around. Even if we re-sign him and THEN he leaves him being contracted means we can at least get more out of him leaving

There is literally no negatives and only positives to re-signing someone like Stefano, I'm not sure how you don't understand that. No one is saying it guarantees he will stay, we aren't dumb we've seen players leave contracts many times.

You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said there were negatives to it, just that it didn’t matter. It’s not going to happen anyway. I’m sure he knows better than recommit this early to a basket case.

I was stating that there's no negatives, not quoting you. It definitely does matter, even if it only gives us 10% more of a chance of keeping him it's worth it.

He's signed on for another two years I think anyway, his manager surely asks for a good pay upgrade. Roosters will be calling his name soon enough too

 

[Needaname]

Contracts still mean something just look at Melbourne every time a player wants an early release from a contract they never give let them go. It only means nothing of the clubs let it mean nothing

It goes both ways though. I wonder if they had MBye on 900k whether they would consider releasing him early?

 

[yeahcaz]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

Mate whatever you smoke, get me a 10 pack. You can take to the bank that Moses Mbye didn’t play his last game for the club because he knew this “group” was throwing the game to try and get Madge sacked. Not everyone responds to being constantly sworn at and worked into the ground. With the greatest respect, you must be watching a different team.

 

[Tiger5150]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

It will effect all teams because it will put upwards pressure on prices for better than average players. There’s not enough first graders to go around essentially. Struggling teams will need to pay even more overs to get or hold the solid players. It’s not just the year they enter the comp. It will be indefinite.

Not to mention it’s another team to beat to get into the 8 lol.

But they will have the same cap as the rest, won’t they? Only the elites will see bigger $’s imo.

Yes but its an injection of $9M into a fixed market with fixed supply and a 6% increase in demand. It will have an inflationary effect on wages which IMO will impact the lower teams more. We already have to pay overs, this wont help.

 

[Tiger5150]

Who does everyone think would be 1-2 'gamechanger' recruits for us this off-season? Gamechanger as in have the potential to alter the course of our future through leadership, x-factor, culture etc. Have to realistic too, either off contract or has been murmurings that they could be released/exchanged.

I've mentioned 2 in a previous post ... ZAC LOMAX & JOSH HODGSON.

Lomax - we need a good centre offensively & defensively, great goalkicker, can play fullback as well, hasn't yet reached his ceiling.

Hodgson - tough as nails, will help sure up our middle, experienced, provides leadership, mentor for our young hookers in Simpkin, Rua, Tannous, Anjoul etc, has that bit of mongrel about him which we need, I feel he'd combine well with Hastings/Douehi. The offset to this is Liddle being released.

Hodgson is past his used by date imo.

Past his best yes but can offer something for 2 seasons we lack. Remember what happened after we recruited Scott Sattler. I'm looking for similar impact for a young squad.

I don’t remember Sattler being that influential.

Im with you, a passenger.

 

[PabloX]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

That’s what we thought about Matterson and Aloiai. It doesn’t take much to get out of a contract these days, especially if you play for the Tigers. We always fold.

It will definitely hurt recruitment. New Brisbane team coached by Bennett with a full salary cap… ouch.

That’s why I don’t get why there have been posts claiming the club needs to extend Stefano ASAP. Even if they extend him for 5 years, there is nothing to stop him wanting out after one year. And given this club’s recent history, it will roll over….As long as they are financially compensated of course

I agree, we should never extend anyone's contracts cause there's a small chance they might leave so what's the point? It's not like majority of players see out their contracts or anything

The majority of players do see out their contracts...

I think most of us feel Stefano is worth more than his current contract. So let's learn from past mistakes and upgrade it. If you're going to upgrade his contract, let's be smart and extend the length at the same time. No brainer

 

[Tiger5150]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

Agree with the Stanton parallels (hopefully), cant see the Sattler reference.

 

[Needaname]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Topine is a wepp.
He's being mis used at the dogs too.

They're playing him as a hooker.
He's clearly a lock or 2RF.

Would love to sign him.

Would make a very good lock in the modern game.
He is highly regarded there though, Bulldogs have done a pretty good job with their elite juniors whom have debuted in first grade. All around 20-21 and local to the area. Although I’m not sure how much game time they get with all the experienced players they have recruited.
Topine, Patolo, Schoop, Doorey, Bondi Odo could all be future stars.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

Agree with the Stanton parallels (hopefully), cant see the Sattler reference.

Matter of opinion. Mine is the experience & respect he brought to the playing group. He was coming off winning a premiership in 03 (including that tackle), came in to be captain, straight away was one of the best performers in our Sevens tournament win. Imagine being a young Benji or Robbie, Prince & Hodgson coming in, Satts was HUGE!

 

[BAGNF05]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

Mate whatever you smoke, get me a 10 pack. You can take to the bank that Moses Mbye didn’t play his last game for the club because he knew this “group” was throwing the game to try and get Madge sacked. Not everyone responds to being constantly sworn at and worked into the ground. With the greatest respect, you must be watching a different team.

We should probably shut this forum down if it exists in support of a pack of match fixers.

 

[Camel2281]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Jackson I'm sure is a quality bloke by all reports but he's cooked as a player. Lost any speed he had so his lateral movement on the edge now makes him a liability in defence. Mostly why he's been played a bit at lock, but he can't pass for peanuts so he's basically a lightweight middle with no speed or ball skills

 

[Needaname]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Jackson I'm sure is a quality bloke by all reports but he's cooked as a player. Lost any speed he had so his lateral movement on the edge now makes him a liability in defence. Mostly why he's been played a bit at lock, but he can't pass for peanuts so he's basically a lightweight middle with no speed or ball skills

Not sure Sattler did either. What I was saying if he is the only person whom embodies a similar spirit. However he is pretty much devoted to the Bulldogs where as Sattler was as ingrained at the Panthers.

 

[88]

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Players available?

The expansion team is not good news for our recruitment or retention

I disagree. If we were the Broncos, Roosters, Eels, or Storm I'd be concerned, realistically we don't have as many desirable players off contract next year so I can't see us getting picked apart as much. We need to just be very careful in locking up the right juniors and development players though. There's already 15 clubs keeping an eye on our roster, one more won't push us over the edge.

Stefano will likely be a target the following year however it won't just be the second Brisbane team he will be the target of.

That’s what we thought about Matterson and Aloiai. It doesn’t take much to get out of a contract these days, especially if you play for the Tigers. We always fold.

It will definitely hurt recruitment. New Brisbane team coached by Bennett with a full salary cap… ouch.

That’s why I don’t get why there have been posts claiming the club needs to extend Stefano ASAP. Even if they extend him for 5 years, there is nothing to stop him wanting out after one year. And given this club’s recent history, it will roll over….As long as they are financially compensated of course

I agree, we should never extend anyone's contracts cause there's a small chance they might leave so what's the point? It's not like majority of players see out their contracts or anything

The majority of players do see out their contracts...

I think most of us feel Stefano is worth more than his current contract. So let's learn from past mistakes and upgrade it. If you're going to upgrade his contract, let's be smart and extend the length at the same time. No brainer

I’d assume the club is well aware of this and planning to do exactly that. All recruitment and retention would’ve been put on hold while coach situation was sorted. Next step would be to sort out final recruitment to fill out our top 30. Once that is done they will know their money situation over the next few years and can then focus on top ups and extensions. Hard to do that before you know how much you have left.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]


Fogarty's manager earning his money with this one. Three years for Fogarty is incredible deal for him, not so much the Raiders.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Jackson I'm sure is a quality bloke by all reports but he's cooked as a player. Lost any speed he had so his lateral movement on the edge now makes him a liability in defence. Mostly why he's been played a bit at lock, but he can't pass for peanuts so he's basically a lightweight middle with no speed or ball skills

Not sure Sattler did either. What I was saying if he is the only person whom embodies a similar spirit. However he is pretty much devoted to the Bulldogs where as Sattler was as ingrained at the Panthers.

We need the current version of a Petro Civoniceva. Not sure it exists.

 

[Needaname]

Sattler was very influential he was a guy everyone wanted to play with , set an example on & off the field, probs before most of u can remember but back in the early 80’s we were whipping boys but under cranky Stanton the culture & performance improved .He elevated young guns Roach, Elias ,Hemsley ,Pearce ,Kain &Jack with the experience of Pringle ,Corowa and Knight , reminds me of what Madge is doing now with this group

The only current NRL player I see that could be of similar impact is Josh Jackson. But he is signed up at the bulldogs to end of 23 on 600k a season. Pretty fair price.
However young Jackson Topine who reminds me of a young Cam Murray is off contract 22. Local Junior to the Dogs though so might be hard to pry away.

Jackson I'm sure is a quality bloke by all reports but he's cooked as a player. Lost any speed he had so his lateral movement on the edge now makes him a liability in defence. Mostly why he's been played a bit at lock, but he can't pass for peanuts so he's basically a lightweight middle with no speed or ball skills

Not sure Sattler did either. What I was saying if he is the only person whom embodies a similar spirit. However he is pretty much devoted to the Bulldogs where as Sattler was as ingrained at the Panthers.

We need the current version of a Petro Civoniceva. Not sure it exists.

You’ll be surprised I’d say we have him in a younger form.
Just need a Shane Webkey mould to partner him.