Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.
 
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.
 
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I'm agreeing with you 100% except in the case where a new bid trumps an old contract. For example, if Tedesco at the Tigers was a 50 point player ($500k ) and the Roosters offered a mill to make him a 100 point player, he would be a 100 point player to every club bar the Tigers, where he would remain at the points value of his current contract. That would not only encourage retention of juniors but when you have a good one, it's usually much easier to source a TPA of reasonable value to help cover a contract upgrade.
 
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.
 
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505748) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.

Only because they took those deals, if they were willing to stay at their club for a fair value why should their club be disadvantage due to a poor decision by the Tigers? For example Tigers offered $850k (850 points under the proposed system) for Mbye which is way overs, if the Dogs were happy to keep him for $600k and he is willing to stay for that amount. Why should the Dogs be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity and have to put him in the points cap for 850?
 
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505749) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505748) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.

Only because they took those deals, if they were willing to stay at their club for a fair value why should their club be disadvantage due to a poor decision by the Tigers? For example Tigers offered $850k (850 points under the proposed system) for Mbye which is way overs, if the Dogs were happy to keep him for $600k and he is willing to stay for that amount. Why should the Dogs be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity and have to put him in the points cap for 850?

Read my previous reply to the Champ.
 
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505751) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505749) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505748) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.

Only because they took those deals, if they were willing to stay at their club for a fair value why should their club be disadvantage due to a poor decision by the Tigers? For example Tigers offered $850k (850 points under the proposed system) for Mbye which is way overs, if the Dogs were happy to keep him for $600k and he is willing to stay for that amount. Why should the Dogs be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity and have to put him in the points cap for 850?

Read my previous reply to the Champ.

Your idea does improve it, but say it is the Roosters offering the $600k, I still don't think they should be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity.
 
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505752) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505751) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505749) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505748) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.

Only because they took those deals, if they were willing to stay at their club for a fair value why should their club be disadvantage due to a poor decision by the Tigers? For example Tigers offered $850k (850 points under the proposed system) for Mbye which is way overs, if the Dogs were happy to keep him for $600k and he is willing to stay for that amount. Why should the Dogs be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity and have to put him in the points cap for 850?

Read my previous reply to the Champ.

Your idea does improve it, but say it is the Roosters offering the $600k, I still don't think they should be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity.

Yep ...we need to become better cheats ....if you can't beat them ...join them
 
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505752) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505751) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505749) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505748) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505746) said:
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

I don't think other clubs poor decisions should determine a players worth.

That's the only way players are currently valued, by what a club offers. That's how Mbye and Packer made their millions.

Only because they took those deals, if they were willing to stay at their club for a fair value why should their club be disadvantage due to a poor decision by the Tigers? For example Tigers offered $850k (850 points under the proposed system) for Mbye which is way overs, if the Dogs were happy to keep him for $600k and he is willing to stay for that amount. Why should the Dogs be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity and have to put him in the points cap for 850?

Read my previous reply to the Champ.

Your idea does improve it, but say it is the Roosters offering the $600k, I still don't think they should be disadvantaged due to the Tigers stupidity.

In that case, the Tigers would most likely get the player anyway because they are offering more money. This is the only method to prevent, say, the Roosters from offering the same $850 but only claiming $650.
 
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

You realise that genuine TPA's are unrestricted now dont you?

I believe in a free society where authority doesnt own you like chattel slaves.
 
The point per dollar idea is interesting, but you can't implement a change like that without a large project, with a dedicated risk aspect, thinking of all the things I can't think of after cracking a case of XPA in front of the fire.
 
Im going over to the Salary Cap thread to see if there is any news on signings...
 
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505760) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

You realise that genuine TPA's are unrestricted now dont you?

I believe in a free society where authority doesnt own you like chattel slaves.

In society . Of course! Who doesn’t agree with that? But you’re talking about a form of entertainment and business where the whole thing is predicated on a belief system that 2 sides enter into a competition where as , at the very least , both have an equal chance of winning that competition. It’s literally the reason the business makes any money to begin with. And unlike , say the premier league/ English football,there is only 1 competition . There’s not the 3 cups plus 2 European completions as well .
Otherwise what are we doing ? We might as well watch WWE, if we want fixed outcomes !
But we don’t want fixed outcomes .
If the roosters/storm ,truely are that much better than the rest of the league, then fixed monetary outcomes like hard caps , luxury taxes , transparency in salaries , shouldn’t be an issue . The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a long time . And good teams like the packers , Steelers , ravens are always there or there abouts.
This is the same in the NBA with teams like The Spurs and heat etc. they’re always near the top of the league . (Spurs for the first time since 99 have a team that can’t make the finals) .
The cream will always rise to the top .
But the nrl has no parity what do ever . And the salary cap and it’s illusion that it provides that is a joke .
If the EPL is the goal , then scrap the cap. My interest will definitely fall off a cliff . Or at least it will force clubs like ours to understand our true operating budget pales in comparison .
MLB is fine with “moneyball” and this disparity.
If the NRL continues this way then they will lose the public, as we don’t have the same fan culture that the English do .
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505768) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505760) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

You realise that genuine TPA's are unrestricted now dont you?

I believe in a free society where authority doesnt own you like chattel slaves.

In society . Of course! Who doesn’t agree with that? But you’re talking about a form of entertainment and business where the whole thing is predicated on a belief system that 2 sides enter into a competition where as , at the very least , both have an equal chance of winning that competition. It’s literally the reason the business makes any money to begin with. And unlike , say the premier league/ English football,there is only 1 competition . There’s not the 3 cups plus 2 European completions as well .
Otherwise what are we doing ? We might as well watch WWE, if we want fixed outcomes !
But we don’t want fixed outcomes .
If the roosters/storm ,truely are that much better than the rest of the league, then fixed monetary outcomes like hard caps , luxury taxes , transparency in salaries , shouldn’t be an issue . The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a long time . And good teams like the packers , Steelers , ravens are always there or there abouts.
This is the same in the NBA with teams like The Spurs and heat etc. they’re always near the top of the league . (Spurs for the first time since 99 have a team that can’t make the finals) .
The cream will always rise to the top .
But the nrl has no parity what do ever . And the salary cap and it’s illusion that it provides that is a joke .
If the EPL is the goal , then scrap the cap. My interest will definitely fall off a cliff . Or at least it will force clubs like ours to understand our true operating budget pales in comparison .
MLB is fine with “moneyball” and this disparity.
If the NRL continues this way then they will lose the public, as we don’t have the same fan culture that the English do .

If James Tedesco can earn $$ from a contract with a company completely unrelated to the Roosters, in which Roosters do not benefit, say Coke for example......why should he not be able to earn that money.

Genuine TPA's are totally unrestricted right now as they should be.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505765) said:
Im going over to the Salary Cap thread to see if there is any news on signings...

No just comments on Brooks ,Coronavirus and the Discord ....
 
@champ said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505745) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505741) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

I believe in people being able to earn from their own image and efforts. Things like players being paid to be on radio programs or fox would be out if you can TPAs.

Agree. Thats why this points system works. a player can earn what he likes outside the points system, but it stops clubs like the Rorters paying under "on the books" plus a paperbag or TPA.. A players points in decided by the highest dollar figure any club is prepared to pay him . He can earn unlimited amounts,according to his image & efforts & and it doesnt affect his price points. But it stops the Rorters paying someone 500K making the rest up with paperbags & TPAs.

There’s an easy way to cheat your system:

Tigers tell Luciano we are going to pay you $750 000 a year but we are only going to table this contract of $500 000 just don’t go to any other clubs for an offer so we can keep your price down. Bang Tigers only have 2/3 of the points counted to the cap and just do it again for the next player.
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505768) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505760) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

You realise that genuine TPA's are unrestricted now dont you?

I believe in a free society where authority doesnt own you like chattel slaves.

In society . Of course! Who doesn’t agree with that? But you’re talking about a form of entertainment and business where the whole thing is predicated on a belief system that 2 sides enter into a competition where as , at the very least , both have an equal chance of winning that competition. It’s literally the reason the business makes any money to begin with. And unlike , say the premier league/ English football,there is only 1 competition . There’s not the 3 cups plus 2 European completions as well .
Otherwise what are we doing ? We might as well watch WWE, if we want fixed outcomes !
But we don’t want fixed outcomes .
If the roosters/storm ,truely are that much better than the rest of the league, then fixed monetary outcomes like hard caps , luxury taxes , transparency in salaries , shouldn’t be an issue . The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a long time . And good teams like the packers , Steelers , ravens are always there or there abouts.
This is the same in the NBA with teams like The Spurs and heat etc. they’re always near the top of the league . (Spurs for the first time since 99 have a team that can’t make the finals) .
The cream will always rise to the top .
But the nrl has no parity what do ever . And the salary cap and it’s illusion that it provides that is a joke .
If the EPL is the goal , then scrap the cap. My interest will definitely fall off a cliff . Or at least it will force clubs like ours to understand our true operating budget pales in comparison .
MLB is fine with “moneyball” and this disparity.
If the NRL continues this way then they will lose the public, as we don’t have the same fan culture that the English do .

The idea of making player salaries public knowledge has been raised in the past and the Rugby league Player's Association has very quickly shut it down and said they'd fight it in court as a breach of privacy. I think it would solve some issues with trust in the cap, but it will never get over the line
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505768) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505760) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505719) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505714) said:
@upthetigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505707) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505689) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505685) said:
Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

You realise that genuine TPA's are unrestricted now dont you?

I believe in a free society where authority doesnt own you like chattel slaves.

In society . Of course! Who doesn’t agree with that? But you’re talking about a form of entertainment and business where the whole thing is predicated on a belief system that 2 sides enter into a competition where as , at the very least , both have an equal chance of winning that competition. It’s literally the reason the business makes any money to begin with. And unlike , say the premier league/ English football,there is only 1 competition . There’s not the 3 cups plus 2 European completions as well .
Otherwise what are we doing ? We might as well watch WWE, if we want fixed outcomes !
But we don’t want fixed outcomes .
If the roosters/storm ,truely are that much better than the rest of the league, then fixed monetary outcomes like hard caps , luxury taxes , transparency in salaries , shouldn’t be an issue . The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a long time . And good teams like the packers , Steelers , ravens are always there or there abouts.
This is the same in the NBA with teams like The Spurs and heat etc. they’re always near the top of the league . (Spurs for the first time since 99 have a team that can’t make the finals) .
The cream will always rise to the top .
But the nrl has no parity what do ever . And the salary cap and it’s illusion that it provides that is a joke .
If the EPL is the goal , then scrap the cap. My interest will definitely fall off a cliff . Or at least it will force clubs like ours to understand our true operating budget pales in comparison .
MLB is fine with “moneyball” and this disparity.
If the NRL continues this way then they will lose the public, as we don’t have the same fan culture that the English do .

So your fix is to prevent players earning extra income?
 
@happy_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1505676) said:
Cust off to Wigan

Would you have taken Cust over Hastings

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/tough-sea-eagles-half-granted-release-to-join-new-club/ar-AAQDNNS?ocid=ientp

Absolutely NOT!
 

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