Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[JC99]

@tigerballs have you heard anything about Herbie Fanworth or Briton Nikora possibly joining? @THE_POM mentioned them in his last post and was just curious if you’ve heard anything on your end?

Don't mind either of them. Herbie has some things he needs to work on but he's a big body and a out and out centre which we need.

Herbie is a classy young centre, would be an excellent signing. Surprised he hasn't been talked about more in the media, clubs are available to sign him right now if they want

 

[Geo]

Let it go people!
Just use the space between your ears, look at the topic above and if what you are about to post isn’t either a signing suggestion or a rumour …… bloody move on.
Lately This has become pages and pages of painful reading about nothing relevant to thread.

I just scroll to the end..

It's a shit thread

What do you suggest..

 

[TigerWest]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

His running game is his strength. Unfortunately for his 10 linebreaks he's caused 13 against us. His defence, passing and stamina needs to improve.

Where the blokes around him, what were they doing?

Probably telling him off at training for throwing a simple pass from dummy half way forward or being too slow when passing from the play the ball well that’s what LL did anyway during last off season and honestly he had a point but extreme with the push and shove that occurred but he was right to tell him off and for him to be better

I think it is up to a player to fix his own game, before having a go at someone else. Don't agree with your other assessment either just by the way, just my opinion.

That’s fine mate and I agree it should be up to the player to fix his game like I said probably a bit extreme with the push and shove **but LL was trying to help him personally wouldn’t have done the pushing and shoving if I was in the team** but hopefully Liddle just took it as professional not personal

Probably right, but just wondering how you know this?

 

[nrlsurvivor]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

92.1% according to Wests Tigers site - You really love bashing this guy - In fact you are nearly rivaling Paws and his bashing of Madge.

Good on you - say it enough and a few people will believe you (in fact a few have), I'm sure you'll get a few more on the bandwagon to bash Lids as the weeks go by.

Sorry to add to the Liddle/Simpkin posts but I wanted to clarify for everyone, the tackle efficiency stats are measured differently on nrl.com versus fox sports lab. Fox sports lab are stricter on tackles. If someone flops in late then they don’t count that as a tackle whereas nrl.com does. Fox sports lab are again strict with their definition of efficiency. Both ineffective tackles and missed tackles are included in the denominator. For some reason, fox sports don’t round their stats, so an efficiency of 87.9 is incorrectly shown as 87… For the Liddle vs Simpkin debate it’s much of a muchness as they’re both within 1% of each other when comparing on the same platform. The issue becomes when you compare across platforms. Then you could make ones stats look better than the other to suit your argument.

do you know how each determines what a try assist is? or which is the better to go off?

I’m not sure about NRL.com. Pretty sure fox sports stats bases it on person who most contributed to the try being scored. If there is equal contribution they give it to more than 1 player. Aaron Wallace at fox sports stats knows his stuff so I gravitate towards them. Plus fox sports lab is a bit easier to interact with the data on a phone.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Could Jack Bird be a centre/backrowe on the bench for us? Sheens loves a utility

 

[AL The Tiger]

Could Jack Bird be a centre/backrowe on the bench for us? Sheens loves a utility

Jack Bird would be great as a centre if he could stay on the field fit and healthy

 

[Demps]

Could Jack Bird be a centre/backrowe on the bench for us? Sheens loves a utility

Noooooo 😂

 

[bathursttiger1]

I reckon Cowboys and Tigers won't be able to make a deal and Luciano sticks around until '23.

There's only a few specific players we want it seems and the cowboys don't want to let them go, plus the players might not even want to come here

Seems like too many things have to work out right for it to happen

Nth Qld are struggling to acquire experienced forwards. To wait another year to acquire LL does not appear to be smart business. If they are prepared to move along one of their two good young second rowers to gain LL then there will be a deal. I believe there will be a deal due to the close relationship between Sheens and Payten.

I'd be very happy if we snagged one of their young second rowers but I reckon they'll want to hang onto both of them

Hopefully it works out for WTs. I have confidence with Sheens and McDonnell overseeing this that we will get a good outcome.

Any sign of life from Sheens and McDonnell? Anything at all that can be directly attributed to them and wasn't started by Maguire? Anything?

If you put it that way, Papali'i apparently was commenced via Hartigan. Laurie and Utoikamanu are also Hartigan's work.

"apparently" is a convenient cop out when faced with reality. You're grasping at straws, man.

Sheens also thanked Hartigan for all the work that he did in helping to arrange Papali'i's signature.

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

Still getting over Luc leaving. He was one of the few positives over the past years. We got him at a fair price, with the hope of developing one, of the following traits. With only potential to work with, he certainly justified the recruitment. Great footwork before the line, offload, fend, and gas for a backrower. We would have been happy with 55mins as an attacking option. But to be the archetype 80min backrower, trim down in his 1st offseason and keep it off and produce the seasons like he did, I am truly gutted. Foxsports had an interview with a rugby league analyst that they just hired and he was spooking how good the RL channel was going to be and he was talking about how coaches use stats, that the average SC player doesn't eg tackle efficiency vs time played vs runs, including off the ball. And by way of promoting this new analysis, he puts up a list of the best forwards from a coaches perspective, Luc was ranked 2 and apparently his numbers were consistent the year b4 as well, in fact the top 3 on that list were different to the winner and nominees for the Dally M 2nd rower. Whilst he is by name a Dragons junior, he is a Wests Tigers product and one we could have promoted as a refined NRL star a far cry from the overweight, unfit 25min player. Madge deserve credit for that, regardless of ones opinion on his control of the dressing room. Even worse is that we rejoiced at IPAPS signing, but we are back to square 1. As we are supposed to build from last year, Isiah should have made the second of our quality backrow. Loosing Luc we are the same team essentially. No doubt the messy Joey break up was the catalyst.

 

[Spartan117]

PLEASE READ

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Thx

 

[Pascoes_barber]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

92.1% according to Wests Tigers site - You really love bashing this guy - In fact you are nearly rivaling Paws and his bashing of Madge.

Good on you - say it enough and a few people will believe you (in fact a few have), I'm sure you'll get a few more on the bandwagon to bash Lids as the weeks go by.

Sorry to add to the Liddle/Simpkin posts but I wanted to clarify for everyone, the tackle efficiency stats are measured differently on nrl.com versus fox sports lab. Fox sports lab are stricter on tackles. If someone flops in late then they don’t count that as a tackle whereas nrl.com does. Fox sports lab are again strict with their definition of efficiency. Both ineffective tackles and missed tackles are included in the denominator. For some reason, fox sports don’t round their stats, so an efficiency of 87.9 is incorrectly shown as 87… For the Liddle vs Simpkin debate it’s much of a muchness as they’re both within 1% of each other when comparing on the same platform. The issue becomes when you compare across platforms. Then you could make ones stats look better than the other to suit your argument.

do you know how each determines what a try assist is? or which is the better to go off?

I’m not sure about NRL.com. Pretty sure fox sports stats bases it on person who most contributed to the try being scored. If there is equal contribution they give it to more than 1 player. Aaron Wallace at fox sports stats knows his stuff so I gravitate towards them. Plus fox sports lab is a bit easier to interact with the data on a phone.

Do they count when a defending player assists the **opposition** in scoring a try?

 

[nrlsurvivor]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

92.1% according to Wests Tigers site - You really love bashing this guy - In fact you are nearly rivaling Paws and his bashing of Madge.

Good on you - say it enough and a few people will believe you (in fact a few have), I'm sure you'll get a few more on the bandwagon to bash Lids as the weeks go by.

Sorry to add to the Liddle/Simpkin posts but I wanted to clarify for everyone, the tackle efficiency stats are measured differently on nrl.com versus fox sports lab. Fox sports lab are stricter on tackles. If someone flops in late then they don’t count that as a tackle whereas nrl.com does. Fox sports lab are again strict with their definition of efficiency. Both ineffective tackles and missed tackles are included in the denominator. For some reason, fox sports don’t round their stats, so an efficiency of 87.9 is incorrectly shown as 87… For the Liddle vs Simpkin debate it’s much of a muchness as they’re both within 1% of each other when comparing on the same platform. The issue becomes when you compare across platforms. Then you could make ones stats look better than the other to suit your argument.

do you know how each determines what a try assist is? or which is the better to go off?

I’m not sure about NRL.com. Pretty sure fox sports stats bases it on person who most contributed to the try being scored. If there is equal contribution they give it to more than 1 player. Aaron Wallace at fox sports stats knows his stuff so I gravitate towards them. Plus fox sports lab is a bit easier to interact with the data on a phone.

Do they count when a defending player assists the **opposition** in scoring a try?

Yes. Fox sports lab shows “try causes” stats. Unfortunately we had two “leaders” in that stat. Luciano led all NRL forwards with 14 try causes in 2021. Nofo was 2nd in the entire league with 28 try causes with only Enari Tuala from the knights outdoing him.

While on Luciano, the DT is reporting that Brandon Smith is likely to accept under 800k to join the Roosters. Meaning his official salary would be pretty much on par with Luciano.

 

[Jimmy]

Detective J signing in,
Gildart posted on Instagram him and luke thommo having dinner. Connections with the boys, doggies cap thin. Connect the dots peopleeee

 

[Viking Warrior]

Detective J signing in,
Gildart posted on Instagram him and luke thommo having dinner. Connections with the boys, doggies cap thin. Connect the dots peopleeee

There good mates, don't get me wrong I'd love for it to happen

 

[tony soprano]

Detective J signing in,
Gildart posted on Instagram him and luke thommo having dinner. Connections with the boys, doggies cap thin. Connect the dots peopleeee

Their good mates.

 

[Lankanflyer10.98]

Hello spartan, I don't see the line spacing tool on the posting space. do I configure the spacing from my device, Cheers

 

[Magpieger]

Detective J signing in,
Gildart posted on Instagram him and luke thommo having dinner. Connections with the boys, doggies cap thin. Connect the dots peopleeee

Whoa. I'd take him but not if the freight is over the top. Whats he on? It couldnt be more than $5 - $600k surely?

 

[AJ1]

While on Luciano, the DT is reporting that Brandon Smith is likely to accept under 800k to join the Roosters. Meaning his official salary would be pretty much on par with Luciano.

He's rumoured to have taken out the annual City Ford golf tournament. $30k per hole

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Hello spartan, I don't see the line spacing tool on the posting space. do I configure the spacing from my device, Cheers

Just hit enter and it will start a new line/paragraph