Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[avocadoontoast]

Yes they are completely different types of front rowers, I agree. One plays big minutes, makes huge metres and breaks heaps of tackles. The other one doesn't.

You do realise this is not NFL, and attack is only about 50% of the game right?

Attack is only 50% of NFL games too..hence the offence and the defence…. you knew that right?

Taupau and Packer make around the same tackles per game so not sure what your point is exactly? The only difference is that Taupau does it over longer minutes and during that time runs for almost 100m more per game.

In a badly beaten team on the weekend, in 54 mins Taupau ran for 145m, 12 hitups and made 28 tackles, 1 missed. Packer played for 37 minutes for 65m, 9 hitups and made 22 tackles, for 4 missed.

????

In this situation you are relying to heavily on stats to make you assessment, I would have Taupau back in a heartbeat but not at the expense of Packer.

Packer has been the glue that holds our defense together, it's not the amount of tackles its the quality and starch he brings to the defensive line. It not something I can pull out stats and show you its something you have to see. We have gone from being an extremely poor defensive unit to being one of the best in 12 months, Packer is a big reason for that. He is obviously a huge leader in our pack and the other players are also defending hard in an effort to not let him down, our younger forwards look to him for approval of a job well done.

I'm saying that from a person who didn't want our club to sign him due to mistakes he has made in the past.

I thought Packer was great at the beginning of the season but has been disappointing over the last 8 games or so. It’s similar to what happened last year at saints. Was good at the start, declined as the season went on.

Even at his best, wouldn’t swap Packer for Taupau. I think Taupau is one of the premier forwards in the game and I don’t think Packer is.

 

[Newtown]

Taupau is all flash with little substance.

 

[cochise]

You do realise this is not NFL, and attack is only about 50% of the game right?

Attack is only 50% of NFL games too..hence the offence and the defence…. you knew that right?

Taupau and Packer make around the same tackles per game so not sure what your point is exactly? The only difference is that Taupau does it over longer minutes and during that time runs for almost 100m more per game.

In a badly beaten team on the weekend, in 54 mins Taupau ran for 145m, 12 hitups and made 28 tackles, 1 missed. Packer played for 37 minutes for 65m, 9 hitups and made 22 tackles, for 4 missed.

????

In this situation you are relying to heavily on stats to make you assessment, I would have Taupau back in a heartbeat but not at the expense of Packer.

Packer has been the glue that holds our defense together, it's not the amount of tackles its the quality and starch he brings to the defensive line. It not something I can pull out stats and show you its something you have to see. We have gone from being an extremely poor defensive unit to being one of the best in 12 months, Packer is a big reason for that. He is obviously a huge leader in our pack and the other players are also defending hard in an effort to not let him down, our younger forwards look to him for approval of a job well done.

I'm saying that from a person who didn't want our club to sign him due to mistakes he has made in the past.

I thought Packer was great at the beginning of the season but has been disappointing over the last 8 games or so. It’s similar to what happened last year at saints. Was good at the start, declined as the season went on.

Even at his best, wouldn’t swap Packer for Taupau. I think Taupau is one of the premier forwards in the game and I don’t think Packer is.

I agree with part of your statement, I think he has struggled a little since coming back from his injury but have seen improvements the last 2 weeks.

We do lack that really damaging runner of the ball that Taupau would bring to us, the type of player that knocks people out of the way in the impact of the collision. I just wouldn't give up out starch in defense to get it.

 

[supercoach]

Its all academic, Marty T will end up at a team with a massive cap, not the normal one given out to most teams in the NRL. Of course Manly might not let him go, things don't look that bright at present for the Brookvale boys

 

[jirskyr]

You do realise this is not NFL, and attack is only about 50% of the game right?

Attack is only 50% of NFL games too..hence the offence and the defence…. you knew that right?

Taupau and Packer make around the same tackles per game so not sure what your point is exactly? The only difference is that Taupau does it over longer minutes and during that time runs for almost 100m more per game.

In a badly beaten team on the weekend, in 54 mins Taupau ran for 145m, 12 hitups and made 28 tackles, 1 missed. Packer played for 37 minutes for 65m, 9 hitups and made 22 tackles, for 4 missed.

????

**Packers team won well, Taupau's team was thrashed - that is the difference.**

I didn't think you'd ever make a comment as ridiculous as when you said Lolohea>RTS, but you have. Congratulations.

In fairness to Russ, and in support of what others are saying, I think Russell means there is more to playing prop than just metres gained and tackles made. There is a finesse to it and there are contributions that players make that aren't purely capture on run metres and tackles.

For example how many tackles are first-man in, how fast were the corresponding PTBs, how many players placed on their back, how many tackles made mid-field vs on the goal-line, how many tackles made in a row etc. Taupau for instance played 17 more minutes than Packer, so he should be expected to make at least as many if not more tackles.

Taupau plays in a forward pack containing some quality players - Jake Turbo; Thompson and Addin F-B are pretty good. Bit weak on the bench. Taupau clearly played a good hand by himself but his team was still lapped.

So were Manly lapped because Taupau does not contribute in the way Manly need him most, or were they lapped in spite of his contributions?

People used to make the very same argument about Aaron Woods in his Tigers stints.

 

[Geo]

This place is getting dumber..

 

[Russell]

You do realise this is not NFL, and attack is only about 50% of the game right?

Attack is only 50% of NFL games too..hence the offence and the defence…. you knew that right?

Taupau and Packer make around the same tackles per game so not sure what your point is exactly? The only difference is that Taupau does it over longer minutes and during that time runs for almost 100m more per game.

In a badly beaten team on the weekend, in 54 mins Taupau ran for 145m, 12 hitups and made 28 tackles, 1 missed. Packer played for 37 minutes for 65m, 9 hitups and made 22 tackles, for 4 missed.

????

**Packers team won well, Taupau's team was thrashed - that is the difference.**

I didn't think you'd ever make a comment as ridiculous as when you said Lolohea>RTS, but you have. Congratulations.

Still think he is better.

Write that down so you can bring it up again as well.

 

[TopTiger]

Any news on possible signings or am I in the wrong topic??

 

[tiger05premier]

Any news on possible signings or am I in the wrong topic??

Yeah i always look in this thread hoping to see a quality signing only to find a couple more pages of opinion and debates

Probablyget shot down now for making that comment

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wonder if we're still after Ethan Lowe? Between him and Rowdy, and especially Garner if he continues to come on, we'd have some decent options for second row for next year.

 

[Russell]

Any news on possible signings or am I in the wrong topic??

The answer is no.

Just the same people pushing their agendas and off topic as usual.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

At the end of the day we have Packer, and most likely will not have Taupau, so like it or lump it. Stupid hypotheticals about who'd suit us better are pointless.

 

[foreveratiger]

Would love Marty back , straight swap with Russel Packer would be fine with me.

Keep them both! Big Russell would be much better with another big angry man beside him.

**Sauaso Sue is starting to find some nice form , not sure if it's got to do with playing for a Contract ?** but him and Twal are a nice rotation for us .
I don't mind Packer but i've watched him closely this year and seems very lazy at times and gets gassed quite quickly . If it came to it i would much rather Marty but i don't think he would be coming to us anyway .

The word on here the last week has been that he's already signed with Parra. If true, you can't accuse him of only playing for a contract. Which i don't think is the case. He's been one of our best forwards for a long time, till he started struggling with HIA's. Suddenly he gets over them and is tearing it up again. I'll be very disappointed with the club if they chose not to retain him, or didn't try hard enough.

Oh o.k.
Wasn't aware that he signed with Parra , real shame as I'm also a big fan of his.

 

[Donald_Trump]

Vave not happy at Parra - buy him - do it

 

[AL The Tiger]

Wonder if we're still after Ethan Lowe? Between him and Rowdy, and especially Garner if he continues to come on, we'd have some decent options for second row for next year.

Not sure Ethan Lowe is the answer. Good player but too similar to what we have already.

 

[Harvey]

Martin re-signed with dogs and Brenko Lee with the titans, pickings are getting mighty slim and we still have no outside backs

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Keep them both! Big Russell would be much better with another big angry man beside him.

**Sauaso Sue is starting to find some nice form , not sure if it's got to do with playing for a Contract ?** but him and Twal are a nice rotation for us .
I don't mind Packer but i've watched him closely this year and seems very lazy at times and gets gassed quite quickly . If it came to it i would much rather Marty but i don't think he would be coming to us anyway .

The word on here the last week has been that he's already signed with Parra. If true, you can't accuse him of only playing for a contract. Which i don't think is the case. He's been one of our best forwards for a long time, till he started struggling with HIA's. Suddenly he gets over them and is tearing it up again. I'll be very disappointed with the club if they chose not to retain him, or didn't try hard enough.

Oh o.k.
Wasn't aware that he signed with Parra , real shame as I'm also a big fan of his.

One of my workmates seems to be in the know at Parra. Was going to ask him today but he wasn't in, so hopefully tomorrow. Spoke to him last week and he said they were looking for a prop but never mentioned Jesse.

 

[andrew 474]

Sent an email to Justin Pascoe , he replied in under 1/2 hour , Tigers are in the market and are aggressively chasing players required , we have 5 spots to Fill for next season.

 

[tiger05premier]

Sent an email to Justin Pascoe , he replied in under 1/2 hour , Tigers are in the market and are aggressively chasing players required , we have 5 spots to Fill for next season.

Excellent work Andrew

Appreciate the news

 

[rex2ce]

Don’t believe that Packers or Mats form can be blamed for our mid season slump , it was caused by lack of a recognised # 9 and a # 1 who doesn’t want to be here.