Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[bigsiro]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

 

[KevB]

Why do people find this so hard - If we sign McInness it's to be a ball playing 13 like Radley. He can cover 9 if need be.

I think that it’s about the $700K per season that has people against McInness.

 

[cochise]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

I wouldn't be going all in for good players, you go in for exceptional players.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

 

[happy_tiger]

You don't kill it in a deciding SOO game if you can't play

Grant ........Flemington straight .....Liddle

We need an upgrade in 2022 and beyond

Particularly if Liddle doesn't step up and Simpkin can't step up straight away

You are so far behind the 8 ball if you don't have a quality 9 in the modern game

The 9 position does not even rate for me this coming season as I feel this position is covered 2 x quality 9’s. I have my observations about Grant and his longevity though.

I worry about Grant's longevity as well .....but he probably has learnt a lot from that bloke in 9 who was captain ....if anyone can teach him about longevity as a 9 making 40 tackles every week for 15 + seasons it is Cam Smith

Smith's longevity can be put down to the cavalcade of brilliant players Melbourne have been unable to unearth Cronk Slater Inglis to name a few and the HUGE forwards he had around him Grant's got it all in front of him brilliant break out year courtesy of WT'S he has to back that up and get past the second year Syndrome where I dont think teams will give the latitude he got in year one it will be interesting what Madge comes up with to combat him.

Plus Cammy had an extreme reluctance to run the ball to the defensive line and allow himself to be got at by defenders. Blokes that played more rugged in attack and threw themselves at the mercy of the defence aka Farah, Issac Luke etc coincidently picked up more injuries.
Playing like a cat has its advantages injury wise it seems.

Have you ever watched a game of footy?

You don't kill it in a deciding SOO game if you can't play

Grant ........Flemington straight .....Liddle

We need an upgrade in 2022 and beyond

Particularly if Liddle doesn't step up and Simpkin can't step up straight away

You are so far behind the 8 ball if you don't have a quality 9 in the modern game

The 9 position does not even rate for me this coming season as I feel this position is covered 2 x quality 9’s. I have my observations about Grant and his longevity though.

I worry about Grant's longevity as well .....but he probably has learnt a lot from that bloke in 9 who was captain ....if anyone can teach him about longevity as a 9 making 40 tackles every week for 15 + seasons it is Cam Smith

Smith's longevity can be put down to the cavalcade of brilliant players Melbourne have been unable to unearth Cronk Slater Inglis to name a few and the HUGE forwards he had around him Grant's got it all in front of him brilliant break out year courtesy of WT'S he has to back that up and get past the second year Syndrome where I dont think teams will give the latitude he got in year one it will be interesting what Madge comes up with to combat him.

Plus Cammy had an extreme reluctance to run the ball to the defensive line and allow himself to be got at by defenders. Blokes that played more rugged in attack and threw themselves at the mercy of the defence aka Farah, Issac Luke etc coincidently picked up more injuries.
Playing like a cat has its advantages injury wise it seems.

Have you ever watched a game of footy?

Sorry Big Brain you are obviously new to the Forum

FTB hates Cam Smith as much as Tommy Raudonikis loved the Cattle Dog call

PS Welcome to the Forum mate ...you seem an intelligent bloke

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Matt Dufty is a little agitated that Dragons haven’t offered him a contract yet and that Cody Ramsey may take his spot. Could be a good short term option if Laurie doesn’t come over this year or if Mbye wants out (2 year contract with club option for year 2). He certainly offers speed which we are after and has developed a sweet right to left pass.

 

[Big Brain]

You don't kill it in a deciding SOO game if you can't play

Grant ........Flemington straight .....Liddle

We need an upgrade in 2022 and beyond

Particularly if Liddle doesn't step up and Simpkin can't step up straight away

You are so far behind the 8 ball if you don't have a quality 9 in the modern game

The 9 position does not even rate for me this coming season as I feel this position is covered 2 x quality 9’s. I have my observations about Grant and his longevity though.

I worry about Grant's longevity as well .....but he probably has learnt a lot from that bloke in 9 who was captain ....if anyone can teach him about longevity as a 9 making 40 tackles every week for 15 + seasons it is Cam Smith

Smith's longevity can be put down to the cavalcade of brilliant players Melbourne have been unable to unearth Cronk Slater Inglis to name a few and the HUGE forwards he had around him Grant's got it all in front of him brilliant break out year courtesy of WT'S he has to back that up and get past the second year Syndrome where I dont think teams will give the latitude he got in year one it will be interesting what Madge comes up with to combat him.

Plus Cammy had an extreme reluctance to run the ball to the defensive line and allow himself to be got at by defenders. Blokes that played more rugged in attack and threw themselves at the mercy of the defence aka Farah, Issac Luke etc coincidently picked up more injuries.
Playing like a cat has its advantages injury wise it seems.

Have you ever watched a game of footy?

You don't kill it in a deciding SOO game if you can't play

Grant ........Flemington straight .....Liddle

We need an upgrade in 2022 and beyond

Particularly if Liddle doesn't step up and Simpkin can't step up straight away

You are so far behind the 8 ball if you don't have a quality 9 in the modern game

The 9 position does not even rate for me this coming season as I feel this position is covered 2 x quality 9’s. I have my observations about Grant and his longevity though.

I worry about Grant's longevity as well .....but he probably has learnt a lot from that bloke in 9 who was captain ....if anyone can teach him about longevity as a 9 making 40 tackles every week for 15 + seasons it is Cam Smith

Smith's longevity can be put down to the cavalcade of brilliant players Melbourne have been unable to unearth Cronk Slater Inglis to name a few and the HUGE forwards he had around him Grant's got it all in front of him brilliant break out year courtesy of WT'S he has to back that up and get past the second year Syndrome where I dont think teams will give the latitude he got in year one it will be interesting what Madge comes up with to combat him.

Plus Cammy had an extreme reluctance to run the ball to the defensive line and allow himself to be got at by defenders. Blokes that played more rugged in attack and threw themselves at the mercy of the defence aka Farah, Issac Luke etc coincidently picked up more injuries.
Playing like a cat has its advantages injury wise it seems.

Have you ever watched a game of footy?

Sorry Big Brain you are obviously new to the Forum

FTB hates Cam Smith as much as Tommy Raudonikis loved the Cattle Dog call

PS Welcome to the Forum mate ...you seem an intelligent bloke

Thanks Happy...

 

[TigerVinnie]

Matt Dufty is a little agitated that Dragons haven’t offered him a contract yet and that Cody Ramsey may take his spot. Could be a good short term option if Laurie doesn’t come over this year or if Mbye wants out (2 year contract with club option for year 2). He certainly offers speed which we are after and has developed a sweet right to left pass.

A player of his age wouldn’t be looking to come to a club where eventually he will be a back up a year later. He would be wanting starting position and longer than a 1 year player deal

 

[AJ1]

We need to go hard for staggs. Better than Crichton imo and would have no trouble with playing fb.
Absolute class player, worth a mill

Plus he can kick goals.

His manager is trying to push up the market price,as they all do.Chrichton Ibelieve has more promise,but they will be the 2 biggest targets on the market,I would go as high as $800,000 for Crichton,less for Stagg,but Hartigan knows what we need and at what price .A lot chasing these 2,but another star comes along every 6 mths

With the salary cap reduced by 6% and sitting at 9 million now - assume 30 players = $350k average
We are saying that we are willing to pay $800k
Quite a few clubs with Million $ players on the books and i think with the reduction in the cap we need to only 1 marque player at present its Mybe on $950k.....

You do realise that Mbye's salary has now gone down by 6%, as have all players in the NRL...

Thanks for Mentioning well drop of $57k at 6%
Still sitting at $893k lets hope he performs this season.

Let's face it, he's only $29k worse off after tax.

 

[BAGNF05]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

Staggs is the one for me . That kid looks like he could be anything , and I trust our coaching staff to get the best out of him. What a crazy statement that would have been a few years ago huh ?

 

[DGilly]

Matt Dufty is a little agitated that Dragons haven’t offered him a contract yet and that Cody Ramsey may take his spot. Could be a good short term option if Laurie doesn’t come over this year or if Mbye wants out (2 year contract with club option for year 2). He certainly offers speed which we are after and has developed a sweet right to left pass.


A player of his age wouldn’t be looking to come to a club where eventually he will be a back up a year later. He would be wanting starting position and longer than a 1 year player deal

Who says Laurie would be better than Dufty? Dufty is a star an Laurie hasn't played more than like 1 game.

Besides Laurie can play 6 with Dufty at 1 and AD in the centres

 

[Speed2burn]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

Staggs is the one for me . That kid looks like he could be anything , and I trust our coaching staff to get the best out of him. What a crazy statement that would have been a few years ago huh ?

Crichton is the better athlete but Staggs is the better instinctive footballer. And before anyone misinteperates what I say....it takes a special player to look world class in a basket case of a team. That’s what Staggs was last year pre injury. His side was getting pumped but he’dstill be one of the top 3 players on the field.

Id lean towards Staggs

 

[rihannafan1]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

Staggs is the one for me . That kid looks like he could be anything , and I trust our coaching staff to get the best out of him. What a crazy statement that would have been a few years ago huh ?

Crichton is the better athlete but Staggs is the better instinctive footballer. And before anyone misinteperates what I say....it takes a special player to look world class in a basket case of a team. That’s what Staggs was last year pre injury. His side was getting pumped but he’dstill be one of the top 3 players on the field.

Id lean towards Staggs

Fair call. A bit like Tedesco was with us in 2013 in the games he played, a few even with a broken bone in his leg.

 

[balmain boy]

Yeah I don't think Seyfarth is big enough at the moment to be a workhorse in the middle, although he's only young.

Maybe if he developed his ball skills more he could become a ball playing 13 and be a kind of second stringer to McInness assuming we get him

Tell you who else was a work horse and not to big Liam Fulton, that’s who seyfarth reminds me of but he has yet to show his potential in game compared to Fulton who was a tackling machine back in the day

You do realise that Seyfarth is probably 15cm and 15kgs bigger than Fulton was. Two completely opposite players

 

[Fade.To.Black]

You don't kill it in a deciding SOO game if you can't play

Grant ........Flemington straight .....Liddle

We need an upgrade in 2022 and beyond

Particularly if Liddle doesn't step up and Simpkin can't step up straight away

You are so far behind the 8 ball if you don't have a quality 9 in the modern game

The 9 position does not even rate for me this coming season as I feel this position is covered 2 x quality 9’s. I have my observations about Grant and his longevity though.

I worry about Grant's longevity as well .....but he probably has learnt a lot from that bloke in 9 who was captain ....if anyone can teach him about longevity as a 9 making 40 tackles every week for 15 + seasons it is Cam Smith

Smith's longevity can be put down to the cavalcade of brilliant players Melbourne have been unable to unearth Cronk Slater Inglis to name a few and the HUGE forwards he had around him Grant's got it all in front of him brilliant break out year courtesy of WT'S he has to back that up and get past the second year Syndrome where I dont think teams will give the latitude he got in year one it will be interesting what Madge comes up with to combat him.

Plus Cammy had an extreme reluctance to run the ball to the defensive line and allow himself to be got at by defenders. Blokes that played more rugged in attack and threw themselves at the mercy of the defence aka Farah, Issac Luke etc coincidently picked up more injuries.
Playing like a cat has its advantages injury wise it seems.

Like in the last origin series he played when everyone was writing him off and at the first play the ball he ran 30 metres from dummy half and made every NSW forward look like an imbecile. Just like you're looking like an imbecile for denigrating the best hooker that ever played the game.

Best hooker that ever played the game? Haha, I doubt he's ever struck for a ball in a scrum his whole career. Strictly a dummy half he is. A hooker is Ian Walsh, Noel Kelly, Elias, Fenech, Walters etc etc.
Watched the game for over 30 years. Yourself? Sounds like you might be a new convert.....enjoy!

 

[happy_tiger]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

Staggs is the one for me . That kid looks like he could be anything , and I trust our coaching staff to get the best out of him. What a crazy statement that would have been a few years ago huh ?

Crazy now Strongee ...long way until it possibly happened

 

[happy_tiger]

Seems most are in agreement re the definition of overs.
But then why when a good player in a position we need comes up do people say “I wouldn’t pay overs”?
Wouldn’t a good fullback/half/winger/hooker be worth their weight in gold to us?!?!?

To me it’s how much you think that player moves the needle . I understand why we offered LM 1 mil because we had Thommo , who tried hard but had to have been a net 0 at fullback . He’s probably worth 700k , but he really would have moved the needle had we signed him , no matter what we paid . It’s contracts like Mbyes , where i don’t think at any point he would have been viewed as someone who made us grossly improved. He would have made us better ,sure , but his value was finite . I think this is what they mean .

I like the term move the needle. This term could also describe a players ability to uplift the brand of the club and attract other premium playing talent. It’s my view that we still need a couple of top line players to ‘move the needle’ to get us right up into that top eight conversation. Crichton from Panthers or Staggs would be that sort of signing. Not much around for 2021 though unfortunately.

If you move the needle around too much you wrecked the record ...kept jumping

 

[pawsandclaws1]

There are rumours the Sharks are interested in Dufty. interestingly he was down at a Cronulla Cafe the other day with a young lady.

 

[tony soprano]

Yeah I don't think Seyfarth is big enough at the moment to be a workhorse in the middle, although he's only young.

Maybe if he developed his ball skills more he could become a ball playing 13 and be a kind of second stringer to McInness assuming we get him

Tell you who else was a work horse and not to big Liam Fulton, that’s who seyfarth reminds me of but he has yet to show his potential in game compared to Fulton who was a tackling machine back in the day

You do realise that Seyfarth is probably 15cm and 15kgs bigger than Fulton was. Two completely opposite players

Seyfarth is a strange one.


I think he is 22 now his BIG but still looks so young he looks younger than his age.

He’s taking longer to develop but could develop into a really good player.

Last year was dominated by men.