Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[bigsiro]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye. If they are desperate and want him early we should get something in return.

We still have 2 spots free on the roster as well.

We just seem to be stuck in purgatory, the Roosters have a hooker crisis and next minute there’s former All Blacks stars knocking on the door, we have a bloke we can’t get rid of on a million a year because there’s nobody to replace him, we sit there at the bottom of the ladder with roster spots unused. We’re so far off the pace it’s not funny.

When your losing you don’t attract talent unless its the talent wanting to get regular games = fringe or rookie players. That’s reality. Until we drive talented kids and get performances flowing we will stay like this for a long time.

As to having no one able to replace him, we have already told him we don’t want him. Same as Walters and a few others. 4 weeks ago he apparently talked and thats it. No way should we give him up for free - the dragons don’t’ have heaps of cap space as McInnes is on their cap this year but not next year. So for him to play for the dragons we have to pay most of his wage. How does that benefit us in anyway?

Maybe I’m missing something...is the “offer” from the dragons for Mbye to go there for free while we pay his salary? I thought surely
they would pay pro rata for the remainder of the year or at least a portion of his wage...?
Does anyone actually know???

So say he is on 800k. Contract started in November so we have already paid 7 months out of 12 for this year. So about 470k leaving 330k to pay this year. My guess would be given we already have 700k left this yr plus that then we would be best to say Dragons pay him $0 this year from their cap instead of say 180k but that they pay an extra 180k next year - mayby 580k instead of 400k of his contract leaving us only need to pay 220k next year to Mbye in the cap. Then qe might say oh well lets front load that into this years cap meaning we pay him say 1.2m (800k plus 220 of next years) this year but dont have him on next years cap

That’s a complex answer, but thank you... I think . ?

 

[Russell]

On Today’s post game 2MMM interview with Nicho Hyens he said he had no offers for next year.
Sounded like the Broncos would like him.

Well the last thing we need is to be in a bidding war for a fringe first grader the Broncos want.

He wouldn't be fringe in too many other sides. It's taking Paps to keep him out of the Storm team...

He'd block the progression of one of our very good juniors. Hynes won't help us bridge the gap to the top teams. Our outstanding juniors will. Let's not fritter what money we do have away on fringies.

Seriously P&C, you have to put this one eye approach to our juniors into perspective, they are not FG ready and they may come on in a few years, BUT we need the players now.

So we invest in juniors and then block their path to the NRL? That is an excellent way to deliver them to other predatory teams.

You can't have a team full of half cooked pies.
You need fully cooked bacon and cheese pies from Yatala with a few half cooked's in the oven.
Hynes is fully cooked and delicious.
Juniors that are good enough will still find their way out of the oven.

On Today’s post game 2MMM interview with Nicho Hyens he said he had no offers for next year.
Sounded like the Broncos would like him.

Well the last thing we need is to be in a bidding war for a fringe first grader the Broncos want.

He wouldn't be fringe in too many other sides. It's taking Paps to keep him out of the Storm team...

He'd block the progression of one of our very good juniors. Hynes won't help us bridge the gap to the top teams. Our outstanding juniors will. Let's not fritter what money we do have away on fringies.

Seriously P&C, you have to put this one eye approach to our juniors into perspective, they are not FG ready and they may come on in a few years, BUT we need the players now.

So we invest in juniors and then block their path to the NRL? That is an excellent way to deliver them to other predatory teams.

You can't have a team full of half cooked pies.
You need fully cooked bacon and cheese pies from Yatala with a few half cooked's in the oven.
Hynes is fully cooked and delicious.
Juniors that are good enough will still find their way out of the oven.

On Today’s post game 2MMM interview with Nicho Hyens he said he had no offers for next year.
Sounded like the Broncos would like him.

Well the last thing we need is to be in a bidding war for a fringe first grader the Broncos want.

He wouldn't be fringe in too many other sides. It's taking Paps to keep him out of the Storm team...

He'd block the progression of one of our very good juniors. Hynes won't help us bridge the gap to the top teams. Our outstanding juniors will. Let's not fritter what money we do have away on fringies.

Seriously P&C, you have to put this one eye approach to our juniors into perspective, they are not FG ready and they may come on in a few years, BUT we need the players now.

So we invest in juniors and then block their path to the NRL? That is an excellent way to deliver them to other predatory teams.

You can't have a team full of half cooked pies.
You need fully cooked bacon and cheese pies from Yatala with a few half cooked's in the oven.
Hynes is fully cooked and delicious.
Juniors that are good enough will still find their way out of the oven.

Laurie is better than Hynes at fullback. Deouihi is better than Hynes at 5/8 and also centre.

As for juniors, I'd much rather Ogden and Talau run out in the cwntres for WTs.

If the Broncos are interested in Hynes, let them have him. He is not good enough to get into a bidding war.

You would rather but the other 99.999% wouldn’t.

Is there anyone on this forum who wouldn't want to see Ogden run out in the centres for WTs?

ME! - plodder.

Have you watched him Russ, he looked pretty good when he stepped up to CC last week

I saw him last in the game against the Bears 851 - wasn't thrilled by what I saw I'm afraid ( not at this stage anyway).

 

[Russell]

Why are people carrying on about Hynes or anyone else from Melbourne after last weeks game? When we consider Melbourne played against 12 men for 75 minutes. Anyone playing fullback for the Storms would have looked like a star. Go Weststigers!

I don't think people are making a decision on that one game - I'm not anyway, been watching him for a few years now.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye. If they are desperate and want him early we should get something in return.

We still have 2 spots free on the roster as well.

We just seem to be stuck in purgatory, the Roosters have a hooker crisis and next minute there’s former All Blacks stars knocking on the door, we have a bloke we can’t get rid of on a million a year because there’s nobody to replace him, we sit there at the bottom of the ladder with roster spots unused. We’re so far off the pace it’s not funny.

When your losing you don’t attract talent unless its the talent wanting to get regular games = fringe or rookie players. That’s reality. Until we drive talented kids and get performances flowing we will stay like this for a long time.

As to having no one able to replace him, we have already told him we don’t want him. Same as Walters and a few others. 4 weeks ago he apparently talked and thats it. No way should we give him up for free - the dragons don’t’ have heaps of cap space as McInnes is on their cap this year but not next year. So for him to play for the dragons we have to pay most of his wage. How does that benefit us in anyway?

Maybe I’m missing something...is the “offer” from the dragons for Mbye to go there for free while we pay his salary? I thought surely
they would pay pro rata for the remainder of the year or at least a portion of his wage...?
Does anyone actually know???

They have no cap space so they wouldn’t be able to cover much this year it’s why they signed Beale for below min wage.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye.

We have now an excellent FB, so we don't need another. So not interested in Dufy.
I would take Lomax as he can play center, and be an alternative goal kicker, however, he would be 3rd on my list:
Manu, Crichton, Lomax.

 

[hodgo]

Our forum is a strange place. Tt is a young kid that has done every thing asked of him without whinging or complaining. He (like a fair few names that we have been crucified for over the years) is young and is doing a job in forst grade whilst learning his trade. Cini is another they play one's get the experience are sent back to reggies hopefully with a plan to.improve then try and fight their way back in.

There are very few players that hit first grade and play at that level from Minute one. We need to nurture them in to good players not expect them to be stars off the bat.
That old expression of your a rookie until you have played 50 games always holds true imo

 

[Camel2281]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

I’d much prefer talau tbh, I think he can cover wing centre and if really desperate he could play in the second row. With JAC he can play wing but wanted fullback and that’s it. Talau offers more IMO. I think the biggest thing with JAC is he offers a big personality which the club is really missing, it seems stupid to say but a big personality can really make a team gel and pick players up when things aren’t going the way they want them too

Fair enough. I think JAC is the best winger in the comp. At this stage I think Talau is an average centre and a below average winger.

I'm beginning to worry about Talau as a long term prospect. There's been the odd glimpse but he hasn't done anything where I've been taken aback by his abilities. For a player Marshall said was the best prospect he's seen since Tedesco he hasn't exactly delivered.

Benji also said a while ago that his brother was a far better player than himself......

Manu from the Rorters is a similar build to Talau and not that quick but has upskilled to make up for it. TT might need to do similar to progress.

TT hit that hole like a rangy backrower last week. Watch this space.

That's where I see his long term future. Like Schuster at Manly

 

[Camel2281]

Our forum is a strange place. Tt is a young kid that has done every thing asked of him without whinging or complaining. He (like a fair few names that we have been crucified for over the years) is young and is doing a job in forst grade whilst learning his trade. Cini is another they play one's get the experience are sent back to reggies hopefully with a plan to.improve then try and fight their way back in.

There are very few players that hit first grade and play at that level from Minute one. We need to nurture them in to good players not expect them to be stars off the bat.
That old expression of your a rookie until you have played 50 games always holds true imo

Sam Walker? Harry Grant? Haha

I'm with you though in all seriousness though.

 

[2041]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye.

We have now an excellent FB, so we don't need another. So not interested in Dufy.
I would take Lomax as he can play center, and be an alternative goal kicker, however, he would be 3rd on my list:
Manu, Crichton, Lomax.

Dude, you can't just swap players you don't want on bad contracts for good, cheap ones - that's not how it works. It's like, if you've got a wreck on your drive that's going to cost five grand to get going and is leaking oil all over your petunias, and someone offers to take it off your hands... they're not going to agree if you say "sure but I want your Porsche in exchange."

Mbye has some value, yes. Unfortunately that value is - maybe - "$400k footballer". Unfortunately what we are offering in swap isn't just Mbye - it's Mbye plus his $950k a year contract until the end of 2022. That makeshis value, effectively, negative. The "swap" a club would offer for Mbye is taking some of that contract obligation off the Tigers' hands.

 

[2041]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye. If they are desperate and want him early we should get something in return.

We still have 2 spots free on the roster as well.

We just seem to be stuck in purgatory, the Roosters have a hooker crisis and next minute there’s former All Blacks stars knocking on the door, we have a bloke we can’t get rid of on a million a year because there’s nobody to replace him, we sit there at the bottom of the ladder with roster spots unused. We’re so far off the pace it’s not funny.

We get out of this hole BY NOT OFFERING THE NEXT CLUTCH OF DUD CONTRACTS. Once Mbye and Packer (and maybe BJ) are gone we are probably no longer paying for any past it duds. We cannot replace them by chucking stupid money at has beens.

I'd rather be where we are than the Roosters when it comes to hookers, actually. We have two good, young, cheap options. That all blacks guy never signed for them anyway.

 

[Blake]

Our forum is a strange place. Tt is a young kid that has done every thing asked of him without whinging or complaining. He (like a fair few names that we have been crucified for over the years) is young and is doing a job in forst grade whilst learning his trade. Cini is another they play one's get the experience are sent back to reggies hopefully with a plan to.improve then try and fight their way back in.

There are very few players that hit first grade and play at that level from Minute one. We need to nurture them in to good players not expect them to be stars off the bat.
That old expression of your a rookie until you have played 50 games always holds true imo

Sam Walker? Harry Grant? Haha

I'm with you though in all seriousness though.

Harry Grant was great from the start but was 22 and had a lot of experience in QLD Cup. Sam Walker is a talent but the Roosters have to do a huge amount to cover for him in defence and he is still a huge weakness in their defensive line.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did it say that?
Hastings was his replacement hence why Mbye talk was for next year. Now a crisis happens at the Dragons and we should jump and let Mbye go now??

Give us Dufty or Lomax and give them Mbye. If they are desperate and want him early we should get something in return.

We still have 2 spots free on the roster as well.

We just seem to be stuck in purgatory, the Roosters have a hooker crisis and next minute there’s former All Blacks stars knocking on the door, we have a bloke we can’t get rid of on a million a year because there’s nobody to replace him, we sit there at the bottom of the ladder with roster spots unused. We’re so far off the pace it’s not funny.

We get out of this hole BY NOT OFFERING THE NEXT CLUTCH OF DUD CONTRACTS. Once Mbye and Packer (and maybe BJ) are gone we are probably no longer paying for any past it duds. We cannot replace them by chucking stupid money at has beens.

I'd rather be where we are than the Roosters when it comes to hookers, actually. We have two good, young, cheap options. That all blacks guy never signed for them anyway.

Thats the key.
If we continue to focus on kids and not paying overs we will eventually turn the tide but we need some older guys who are rough and play tough. More I look at things the more I want us to throw the book at Dale & B Smith - aside from who they are, they could change our whole outlook and the kids would follow.

 

[rihannafan1]

So we gave our marquee man permission to negotiate with clubs to clear up much needed cap space. Now someone wants to pick him up and we don’t have a shortlist of replacements lined up and we’ll probably have to decline the other clubs offer. Seriously this club is a clown show. Queue the comments from people willing to forgive Mbye because we beat a decimated Knights team.

Where did anyone from the club say they don't have replacements lined up for him?

 

[TigerBlood93]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

But these five players are not the same.

Mbye is clearly too expensive - even if he is an ok first grade player he is absolutely killing a salary cap at $900k a year. That's the kind of contract you should only be giving to a nailed on star player; it's totally unsustainable for a utility. He has to go as soon as possible for any reasonable offer.

Roberts was a gamble that hasn't paid off. He's no longer first grade standard and he'll be gone at end of season if not before, but at least he's cheap.

Leilua was a gamble that also didn't pay off, though arguably it wasn't as bad as some have made it out to be. He's not on vast money and he's been ok at times, but when he's bad he's unplayable and presumably will be gone at season end.

Talau and Cini are young with room to improve, and more importantly they are CHEAP. All they really cost is a roster spot and it's not as if we have guys breaking down the door to be 29th and 30th man on our list. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either of them unless we're absolutely convinced they are not up to standard.

I think both TT and Cini do not have the speed required to play in the backline. Slow players are soon found out by opposing coaches.

Disagree! While speed is great it’s not everything, we had the jet in our team
And he achieved nothing for us. Put Saab in this team and he would be nothing, still hasn’t done much in the manly team, he’s effective when there’s no one around him, other wise nothing special. Talau is a much better winger, breaks tackles and great finisher in a weak Team that has barely used its edges.

Idk why he gets as much shit as he does in this group, kids played about 20 games, has one of the best try scoring strike rates for us, solid in defence and great in attack. He’s only going to get better! But you don’t rate him till he goes and kills It with another club. Remember Melbourne wanted him, so bellemy can see the talent too. Besides some of the more talented edges aren’t quick, manu, herbi, don, Momo, naden and many more.

Doesn’t mean we can’t get them sprint coaches and see if we can improve the start off.

 

[TigerBlood93]

As for Mybe situation, would be silly to right this year of just to get rid of him. Like
It or not he’s in our best 17. Covers multiple positions. If the jet and Joey where firing for us maybe we could afford to get rid of him but right now we can’t.

I would give mybe a few more games in the 6 and see if he can continue to do a job for us, we also play the dragons next week, no need to make them stronger. If he doesn’t kick on maybe we can suss it out.


Also some of these haters are so desperate they don’t understand how to negotiate, we are just supposed to Bend over just because dragons want him now? Our priority is this season.. the longer it goes the more desperate they get and maybe we get a better deal. We aren’t going to get a player swap, they barely have enough players to announce a squad hence the reason for mybe interest. I think mybe will get picked up for next year, he’s a good player and a very handy pick up at the right price. So not too worried about next years risks.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Tommy Talau has been forced to fill in on the wing due to lack of wingers. Despite that when asked to finish he does, as he did against the Knights. We know right centre is his position but until one or two wingers are promoted he'll have to do his best. I don't believe he deserves the criticism he gets on the forum.

Sorry mate, i like many of your posts, but we hang on to duds for toooo long. We need to be tougher, good sides move on players that don't perform. Both Cini and TT are nice kids, but lack speed and football IQ.

I would like Tommy to be given the right centre position so he can demonstrate his potential. I'm sure he is as frustrated as many supporters about being bumped into the wing. It's not ideal but he does a job.

 

[Demps]

Why are people carrying on about Hynes or anyone else from Melbourne after last weeks game? When we consider Melbourne played against 12 men for 75 minutes. Anyone playing fullback for the Storms would have looked like a star. Go Weststigers!

Storms

 

[twentyforty]

Why are people carrying on about Hynes or anyone else from Melbourne after last weeks game? When we consider Melbourne played against 12 men for 75 minutes. Anyone playing fullback for the Storms would have looked like a star. Go Weststigers!

Storms

In a teacup

 

[DJG]

Lets sign all the Storm players, lets start with George Jennings, Ryley Jacks.. we missed out on Brenko Lee...

They play for the Storm! Throw the brown paper bags at them!

 

[sleeve]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

But these five players are not the same.

Mbye is clearly too expensive - even if he is an ok first grade player he is absolutely killing a salary cap at $900k a year. That's the kind of contract you should only be giving to a nailed on star player; it's totally unsustainable for a utility. He has to go as soon as possible for any reasonable offer.

Roberts was a gamble that hasn't paid off. He's no longer first grade standard and he'll be gone at end of season if not before, but at least he's cheap.

Leilua was a gamble that also didn't pay off, though arguably it wasn't as bad as some have made it out to be. He's not on vast money and he's been ok at times, but when he's bad he's unplayable and presumably will be gone at season end.

Talau and Cini are young with room to improve, and more importantly they are CHEAP. All they really cost is a roster spot and it's not as if we have guys breaking down the door to be 29th and 30th man on our list. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either of them unless we're absolutely convinced they are not up to standard.

I think both TT and Cini do not have the speed required to play in the backline. Slow players are soon found out by opposing coaches.

Disagree! While speed is great it’s not everything, we had the jet in our team
And he achieved nothing for us. Put Saab in this team and he would be nothing, still hasn’t done much in the manly team, he’s effective when there’s no one around him, other wise nothing special. Talau is a much better winger, breaks tackles and great finisher in a weak Team that has barely used its edges.

Idk why he gets as much shit as he does in this group, kids played about 20 games, has one of the best try scoring strike rates for us, solid in defence and great in attack. He’s only going to get better! But you don’t rate him till he goes and kills It with another club. Remember Melbourne wanted him, so bellemy can see the talent too. Besides some of the more talented edges aren’t quick, manu, herbi, don, Momo, naden and many more.

Doesn’t mean we can’t get them sprint coaches and see if we can improve the start off.

If they do not have sprint coaches now working with AD and TT , i would be shocked, as for the payers mentioned i doubt any would not beat TT over 50m. Watch how he goes against the warriors, they know he can't catch and is slow, they will target him.His future is in the forwards.