Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[happy_tiger]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

 

[jirskyr]

I only want our wingers to be like this, not built like second row forwards with the lack of pace to match.

Where's the highlights reel of his missed tackles?

Definitely a raw prospect back then. Melbourne did a good job with him, shame for them he left at first opportunity.

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting Isaako getting hooked last night. Seems like he has checked out. The more I think about it, Isaako to WT and Walters to Broncos is ready to happen however either Broncos or WT are trying to get something else out of the arrangement. I don't think WT are keen on DWZ however we are using him to get something more favourable out of the Broncos whether that is another player or $ reduction.

Maybe he's doing a Mitch Moses, checking out on-field and off until he gets his release. Not that I think it's ethical.

 

[supercoach]

Gut feeling DWZ will be at the Tigers before Isako. Reading the article on tonights game and Brooks was saying how good he was at the dirty yard carries and was a very good player.. than went on to say he had not heard much..I say its happening and of the two I think he is a better winger.

 

[jirskyr]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

 

[Spartan117]

Tamou is an arm grabber. He might be good from a leadership perspective but he’s not playing very well. I think Woods is better but that’s just my opinion.

I watched him live in a few games this year, Tamou is all effort on the field and a great leader that we need.

Woods is neither effort, leadership or required.

 

[happy_tiger]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

Sorry to hear that Happy. A neurosurgeon once told me there are lots of boxes of tissues in my consulting room and not much good news. My son's mother has a glioblastoma which has grown significantly in the last week. Radiation therapy next week is just to ease the pain. It's very sad for her and our sons.

 

[happy_tiger]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

Sorry to hear that Happy. A neurosurgeon once told me there are lots of boxes of tissues in my consulting room and not much good news. My son's mother has a glioblastoma which has grown significantly in the last week. Radiation therapy next week is just to ease the pain. It's very sad for her and our sons.

Seems like a lifetime ago with what happened in the world since January 2020

Pray that everything turns out OK ....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

Sorry to hear that Happy. A neurosurgeon once told me there are lots of boxes of tissues in my consulting room and not much good news. My son's mother has a glioblastoma which has grown significantly in the last week. Radiation therapy next week is just to ease the pain. It's very sad for her and our sons.

Seems like a lifetime ago with what happened in the world since January 2020

Take care mate. You never quite get over it.

 

[happy_tiger]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

Sorry to hear that Happy. A neurosurgeon once told me there are lots of boxes of tissues in my consulting room and not much good news. My son's mother has a glioblastoma which has grown significantly in the last week. Radiation therapy next week is just to ease the pain. It's very sad for her and our sons.

Seems like a lifetime ago with what happened in the world since January 2020

Take care mate. You never quite get over it.

Sorry accidently hit send before finishing , hope everything improves dramatically for you and the family ....

 

[twentyforty]

Interesting Isaako getting hooked last night. Seems like he has checked out. The more I think about it, Isaako to WT and Walters to Broncos is ready to happen however either Broncos or WT are trying to get something else out of the arrangement. I don't think WT are keen on DWZ however we are using him to get something more favourable out of the Broncos whether that is another player or $ reduction.

If WTs management were using a "supposed" interest in DWZ to play the Broncos for Isaako, I'd applaud our management. We need to be more ruthless in our recruitment and I'm hoping our days bending over a copping it up the clacker by other clubs are long gone.

“were using a "supposed" interest in DWZ to play the Broncos for Isaako, “

I hope not. They don’t want to be anything but believable during negotiations. Leave that sort of stuff to some player managers.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.

And people say i have a chip on my shoulder ......

I never quit the forum over it

I don't remember quitting the Forum ......I remember taking a break as two family members had cancer and both passed ......

Sorry to hear that Happy. A neurosurgeon once told me there are lots of boxes of tissues in my consulting room and not much good news. My son's mother has a glioblastoma which has grown significantly in the last week. Radiation therapy next week is just to ease the pain. It's very sad for her and our sons.

Seems like a lifetime ago with what happened in the world since January 2020

Take care mate. You never quite get over it.

Sorry accidently hit send before finishing , hope everything improves dramatically for you and the family ....

We know the outcome. I believe it is a matter of weeks. It's funny when you have a family, it is on the basis of their being two parents. Well their mother will miss out on their weddings and grandchildren. I have to carry on her memory as her siblings are ratbags. Pretty sad.

 

[shifty]

20 more pages, still nothing significant

 

[851]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

We have been missing out for a couple of years now I have asked the question many times still no answer

I know, it is depressing, IMHO Madge is far from an attraction, in fact I have seen stories on coaches players least like to play under, Madge features highly, also heard some players say it on FOX

I've heard a lot of players say the exact opposite.

Where are they then Russ, where are these good players you speak of, where are the players Madge reckons keep ringing him.
I will tell you where they are, at another club after using us to jack up there price, Madge is no good player magnet

Didn't say where they were from, did I?

However, since you asked.

AD, Laurie, Liddle, Joffa, Lucy, Brooks, Talau, Seyfarth, Tamou etc. have all said they enjoyed playing for the Tigers and under Madge.

Players at other clubs wouldn't know if they haven't played under him. If they have they were probably whaite Anters from Souffs or people with an axe to grind.

I know you don't want him as coach so I'll forgive you for clutching at straws 851.

None of those players were being chased by multiple clubs when we signed them, as soon as other clubs enter the market, we lose out, no matter who the other club is.
And I am far from clutching at straws, the proof is in the lack of high profile signings.
I will give Madge credit for the juniors, but when it comes to attracting quality players, he is on the nose

 

[Tcat]

Interesting Isaako getting hooked last night. Seems like he has checked out. The more I think about it, Isaako to WT and Walters to Broncos is ready to happen however either Broncos or WT are trying to get something else out of the arrangement. I don't think WT are keen on DWZ however we are using him to get something more favourable out of the Broncos whether that is another player or $ reduction.

If WTs management were using a "supposed" interest in DWZ to play the Broncos for Isaako, I'd applaud our management. We need to be more ruthless in our recruitment and I'm hoping our days bending over a copping it up the clacker by other clubs are long gone.

“were using a "supposed" interest in DWZ to play the Broncos for Isaako, “

I hope not. They don’t want to be anything but believable during negotiations. Leave that sort of stuff to some player managers.

The "Supposed" interest in DWZ needs to send the message to the Broncos that we aren't sitting around waiting for their demands. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are behaving in a dodgy way like some player managers do tho. Negotiations are a game in themselves and we need to play things in our favour.

An enquiry can send a strong message and we need to have back up plans also

 

[avocadoontoast]

Things are not always going to come to fruition in every negotiation. If the Pom says the Tigers and Dogs are talking about DWZ, I believe him. You don’t?

Well if things aren't always going to come to fruition, why fret about them before they do?

Also - who cares if they are talking about DWZ? We have no idea of the context with which DWZ was mentioned, it could be just a chat. It could be part of a potential a swap deal. It could be Tigers want a cheap experienced winger in 2021. It could be Madge thinks he's a very capable footballer being badly utilised at Bulldogs.

None of that makes it "a stupid decision" - in fact, doing your homework and having many conversations with many clubs/managers about many players as possible is good management. Better to know where you stand in the recruitment field than be chasing your tail and chasing the leads of other clubs.

Now what I know for a fact, straight from Adam Hartigan's mouth, is Tigers have a depth chart (all clubs do) and they are continually looking at their depth and available players. Scott Woodward comes to them with his analysis tool and they talk about roster deficiencies and potential recruitment options.

So for example if they think they lack depth in the backline, they look at what the deficit is and how they might fix that. They consider the archetype player they want, e.g. a "Tommy Turbo type" or a "Taumalolo type", to describe the attributes of the footballer they'd want to fix a deficit.

I don't know what they are thinking right now. It may be they feel they lack an experienced back, because the reality is we have very little experience in the backline beyond Nofo, Joey and Jet. If of those are injured, the fallbacks are AJ (out for season, 10 matches), Talau (24 matches), Cini (2), Kei (0), Hoffman (1), Kiah Cooper (0) - that's about 40 FG games experience combined. Tom Mikaele has more experience than that alone. It's not unreasonable to be on the lookout for an experienced back.

Cool but you didn’t answer the question.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Just heard today from a reliable source that Issako to us this year will happen...

Take it how you will, great signing if true imo - much better player than what he’s showing

Sounds good, but reliable sources , tend to be unreliable. Hope this one is on the money.

IIRC it was @teddy23 that was the lone and first voice that had Tedesco confirmed at the chooks, so reasonably confident Isaako is on his way.

 

[Tiger5150]

It's funny how people who go Moses and other players, call them dogs etc now support Woods coming back to the club.

Screw that rubbish.

The guy was club captain and tried to take all our good players to another club.

The absolute last player id let back in the club.

He’s a grub who thought he was bigger than the club. Think of the Hooper interview where he threw the club under the bus. Around that time he was also a regular on NRL 360. He never once defended the club or spoke on behalf of the club. He was looking out for himself. To do all that as captain, made him one of the most selfish players I can ever remember.


No one in this forum would ever throw the club under the bus...

We’re supporters. Even if we do, we don’t walk away. Players on the other hand

He left under Cleary's watch. What's your opinion of Cleary, one of our greats? Ever talked Cleary up yourself?

I’m failing to see how that’s relevant? If he was loyal to the club, wouldn’t have mattered who the coach was.

Can't be bothered explaining...

No, please do. Don’t back down.

The Jason Taylor years were a nightmare from which it was going to be very difficult to recover. I had a conversation with Siro at the time who told me how frustrated Curtis was at being lied to all the time by Taylor. The players hated Taylor. Woods was the glue in a side when certain players were threatening mutiny. When the club shafted Taylor, who by the way was brought in to do a certain job, and signed Cleary, it really hit the fan. Woodsy wanted to stay. He was club captain and wanted to be a Tiger for life. He loved the Tigers and he thought they loved him. When Cleary offered a his old mate, a convicted criminal 200k a season more than the club captain, to play the same position, it kind of rubbed people the wrong way, particularly when Woods had only ever done his best for the club. He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim and was told to look elsewhere if he wanted more money. It's common knowledge now that we wasted 800,000k for 3 seasons when we could have kept, at the time, ***the best front rower in the game.***


The rest of your post may be correct, but there was never a time that Woods was the best front rower in the game.

2015 Dally M prop of the year, runner up to JT player of the year.


So Luke Brooks is/was the best Half in the game?

Alright, 2015 and 2016, most metres average by any forward, 40 tackles per game in SOO


2016, Sam Burgess and JWH existed, but I guess you would rather Aaron Woods?

I'll simplify my original point just for you... Woods was poorly treated by Ivan and the club and I don't blame him for leaving or even expressing his disappointment. At the time he was a starting front rower for the Kangaroos and considered by many as the best front rower at that time. That rating is, of course, only an opinion and open to debate. I don't think we should resign him.


In what way did Cleary treat him poorly? Club put a price on him and he wanted more. Club was right at the time and it was proven right by his time at DOgs and Sharks..

Yep, you are right, they were right, Russell Packer was way more valuable to the club than Aaron Woods.


Woods left before Packer signed.

He left before Packer started, not before he agreed to terms.


Riiiiiiiiiiiight. So the club signed Packer for $800K before Woods left and that would work under the cap....how?

And who is telling Woods how much Packer got in his contract? The club, Packer?

Its a simple story you are over complicating. The club valued Woods at a number much less than Woods wanted and the club was right. Woods could get that money at Dogs and we know how that worked out.

Please think about it. If you agree to terms, you don't get paid from that instant, you get paid when you start training with the club. Addo Carr isn't getting paid by the Dogs until next season, even though he agreed to terms months ago. And yes, Woods went to the Dogs for more money but the WT paid even more for Russell Packer, and we know how that worked out.


He would be paid from 1 November, not when started training. Your premise is ridiculous. Woods had the deal on the table for months, if Woods said yes and didnt leave, in your fantasy the Tigers would have a $800K cap problem. No way they agreed to Packer with Woods in the roster.

Are you now trying to tell me that Russell Packer was the only player Cleary signed, that Mbye and Reynolds came for free?

Reynolds signed before Packer

Good luck to Reynolds.

Not to chime in mate , but I distinctly remember Woods touring the dogs facility with Teddy on the sly , with a goal to deliver the big prize in teddy , and to a lesser extent Moses. The whole thing started through Klemmer who was gone less than year later himself .
Cleary was signed what , Early May ? The timeline defeats your argument . Woods was worth 800k to us . And no one else . The dogs paid him that because Teddy was worth 1.5mil to everyone , and he was asking for 1.2mil. It was Teddy who bailed at the last minute , basically getting everyone from Hasler to Klemmer looking for a new job . He basically ruined 2 clubs in 1 negotiation process . It was quite a feat .

>***I don't know the timeline on negotiations*** but I do know that Woods knew Packer was coming before he signed with the Dogs. ***I don't know how much influence that had on his decision*** but he was certainly unhappy about it. .

You dont know the timeline, you dont know the influence on the the decision......but apparently you DO know for a fact....." *He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim*".

Makes as much sense as the rest of your story.

 

[Tiger5150]

We need at least 1 winger, that’s if Lee’s lovechild is locked in. I think Laurie is doing a fine job at the back but he needs support from 2 solid wingers to improve our kick return metres. Every team is doing better than us in this part of our game.


No they're not. This might be your perception but the stats don't agree.

For Kick return metres, 'Lee's love child' is averaging 34.6m only slightly behind To'o on 35.7m. Behind him are Teddy, Walsh, RTS, Saab, Coates, Hynes, Rapana, Alex Johntson etc.

In run metres he's also averaging over 150m a game.

As you'd expect, Daine is ahead of Nofo in kick return metres (most fullbacks are as they return the ball more) but is behind Nofo in run metres.

Statistically, DWZ is way ahead of all our wingers and our fullback. Our kick return metres aren't our biggest problem.

how do you explain this?


Simple to explain, opposition sides are so terrified of Lees Love Child that they refuse to kick it to us!...Obviously.