Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427200) said:
@benjic said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427181) said:
we are not the least desired club. we are just not desperate to pull our pants down that we will say yes to any conditions thrown at us

We definitely are. What big names have we signed in the past 5 years? Seriously, tell me and I'll name a bigger name every other club has signed. Every single one. It's not all doom and gloom but it doesn't help to deny the reality.

"Big names" is only one measurement of desirability. General mid-tier signings, junior signings, general reputation - they are all involved.

The only way you'd really be able to somewhat prove "least desired" would be a poll of a significant number of footballers, who they would least join, if all contracts were equal.

There is no definite about it, unless you have done the survey.

So for example Bulldogs, yeah they have a couple of high-pay high-profile signings, but no junior recruits or retention. So exactly where is their desirability? Desire to earn bucks? If your kids aren't staying, exactly how desirable are you as a club? Esp. a club like Bulldogs where there should be far more opportunities for emerging players, because the roster is so unsettled.
 
@jedi_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427218) said:
They are not too bad the Innes twins probably worth a look better than what we have. Probably get them at a good price

I have previously been told on the forum that all British backs are worthless.
 
@batboy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427513) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427464) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427443) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427435) said:
@benjic said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427181) said:
we are not the least desired club. we are just not desperate to pull our pants down that we will say yes to any conditions thrown at us

I could not disagree more, we are easily the least desirable club

And that's because we don't have real talented players other players want to play with....too may "try hards" not enough x factor

That is because we can't attract good players, something stinks here, and I have made my opinion known what is a major part of the good players going elsewhere.

What’s you’re opinion (in short) mate? we won a comp with one of the longest serving and most accomplished coaches at the time and couldn’t attract these “players”
we’ve never been able to attract them!!
I could count on my fingers the good signings this club has made post 2000 (discounting the last 2 years) - and that’s including Blair…
We’ve had other CEO’s (even used to have the Manly CEO, his signings over there are much better than his signings with us) we’ve had plenty of coaches… we’ve had plenty of time…

Demographically, we’re torched!! We don’t have the money to match it with Parra or Penrith - or the location to match it with the other Sydney Clubs…
What do we have to offer any player?

Be realistic now….

I know you and plenty others will disagree, but Madge got offside with key players at souths, took them to 12th in 2016 and 12th in 2017, Seibold came in in 2018 and took them to 3rd.
Players talk, word gets around, Madge is off with players, rightly or wrongly this is where he/we are, in my opinion another coach would attract better players.
Flanagan has a great repoire with his players, Ciraldo is behind Penriths great defence, either of these 2 would have had us sign some some of those players we recently missed, that is my opinion
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427537) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427218) said:
They are not too bad the Innes twins probably worth a look better than what we have. Probably get them at a good price

I have previously been told on the forum that all British backs are worthless.

Not from me
over the years some good backs these guys can tackle better than our current centres so it's a start
 
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Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427546) said:
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Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.

You just know Melbourne would absorb an injury like this and just keep rolling on.
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427550) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427546) said:
![Screenshot_20210727-140835_Instagram.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1627358964295-screenshot_20210727-140835_instagram.jpg)

Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.

You just know Melbourne would absorb an injury like this and just keep rolling on.

Melbourne is going to smash them this weekend.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427445) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427444) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427431) said:
Why would Manly want Garner? Surely he wouldn’t make their starting team?

Olakuatu , keppie and Schuster are better than him. He maybe snags a bench role at the most.

Sironen is better than him too I reckon

Lawton is better than him too.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427546) said:
![Screenshot_20210727-140835_Instagram.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1627358964295-screenshot_20210727-140835_instagram.jpg)

Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.

We all know he will return for the game against us..
 
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427556) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427546) said:
![Screenshot_20210727-140835_Instagram.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1627358964295-screenshot_20210727-140835_instagram.jpg)

Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.

We all know he will return for the game against us..

Maybe he'll have an infection from the surgery and require that extra week off....


??

This guy is what Nofo should've been..
?
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427519) said:
@speed2burn said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427515) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427464) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427443) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427435) said:
@benjic said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427181) said:
we are not the least desired club. we are just not desperate to pull our pants down that we will say yes to any conditions thrown at us

I could not disagree more, we are easily the least desirable club

And that's because we don't have real talented players other players want to play with....too may "try hards" not enough x factor

That is because we can't attract good players, something stinks here, and I have made my opinion known what is a major part of the good players going elsewhere.

When have we ever been able to attract good players let’s be real?

Our 2005 premiership team was made up of juniors and discards from other clubs, most notably Prince, Hodgson and Richards. None of them were exactly killing it when we signed them

Hodgson was an origin player when we signed him.

Hodgson was also a local junior and had already played First grade for the Magpies before he had a stint with Parramatta.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427519) said:
@speed2burn said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427515) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427464) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427443) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427435) said:
@benjic said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427181) said:
we are not the least desired club. we are just not desperate to pull our pants down that we will say yes to any conditions thrown at us

I could not disagree more, we are easily the least desirable club

And that's because we don't have real talented players other players want to play with....too may "try hards" not enough x factor

That is because we can't attract good players, something stinks here, and I have made my opinion known what is a major part of the good players going elsewhere.

When have we ever been able to attract good players let’s be real?

Our 2005 premiership team was made up of juniors and discards from other clubs, most notably Prince, Hodgson and Richards. None of them were exactly killing it when we signed them

Hodgson was an origin player when we signed him.

I'd argue the amount of talent the Tigers have let go is worse. It's one thing to not be able to attract quality players but to already have them and let them go is surely worse?
 
@jai_donaldson said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427555) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427445) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427444) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427431) said:
Why would Manly want Garner? Surely he wouldn’t make their starting team?

Olakuatu , keppie and Schuster are better than him. He maybe snags a bench role at the most.

Sironen is better than him too I reckon

Lawton is better than him too.

I agree, I'd be Ok with a Garner/Lawton trade. Especially with Lawton's flexibility in covering Hooker. Means that M'Bye isn't required to stink up the place
 
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427178) said:
Sorry to bring this back to a Signing and Suggestion chat.
As Murray Talaugi has announced resigned I stumbled across this tidbit in the article.

“The Cowboys were offered the services of English twins Innes and Louis Senior, who are contracted to Huddersfield, but any move now appears unlikely for next year with Taulagi now set to re-sign.”

I just looked these boys up.

21 yo 6’4 and 100kg.
Wing and Centre
Anyone know much about them.

It sounds like they were keen to try there hand in Aus.

With the cowboys out of the running I wonder if our new head of football may have a word to them?

You might be surprised!
 
@batboy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427513) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427464) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427443) said:
@851 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427435) said:
@benjic said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427181) said:
we are not the least desired club. we are just not desperate to pull our pants down that we will say yes to any conditions thrown at us

I could not disagree more, we are easily the least desirable club

And that's because we don't have real talented players other players want to play with....too may "try hards" not enough x factor

That is because we can't attract good players, something stinks here, and I have made my opinion known what is a major part of the good players going elsewhere.

What’s you’re opinion (in short) mate? we won a comp with one of the longest serving and most accomplished coaches at the time and couldn’t attract these “players”
we’ve never been able to attract them!!
I could count on my fingers the good signings this club has made post 2000 (discounting the last 2 years) - and that’s including Blair…
We’ve had other CEO’s (even used to have the Manly CEO, his signings over there are much better than his signings with us) we’ve had plenty of coaches… we’ve had plenty of time…

Demographically, we’re torched!! We don’t have the money to match it with Parra or Penrith - or the location to match it with the other Sydney Clubs…
What do we have to offer any player?

Be realistic now….

Basically, Balmain and Wests, and now Wests Tigers never had to really go out and buy players from other clubs. We have mainly developed our own player from juniors, country areas. We probably picked up more players from the UK and NZ than from other NRL sides. Penrith do the same.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427551) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427550) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427546) said:
![Screenshot_20210727-140835_Instagram.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1627358964295-screenshot_20210727-140835_instagram.jpg)

Another loss for Penrith during their finals charge.

You just know Melbourne would absorb an injury like this and just keep rolling on.

Melbourne is going to smash them this weekend.

They’ve missed there premiership shot
There loss to us put the final nail in the coffin .
 
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424480) said:
@fade-to-black said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424471) said:
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424467) said:
@fade-to-black said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424456) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424452) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424450) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424445) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424430) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424426) said:
@newtown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424417) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424413) said:
From the telegraph:

The Wests Tigers have lodged an 11th hour bid to sign the game’s hottest property Dale Finucane.

The Tigers have entered the race as it can also be revealed the Knights have ended their pursuit of the Storm and NSW Origin forward.

The 29-year-old’s current club, the Melbourne Storm, are also resigned to the fact that he will be departing the club at the end of this season.

It leaves the Tigers, Sharks, Dragons, Cowboys and Titans locked-in a multi-million dollar scrap for his signature.

All five clubs are believed to have tabled a three-year contract — but Finucane’s management have been pushing hard for an extra year to seal the deal.

Given the physical nature of the way Finucane has played the game and a recent history of calf problems, the majority of the suitors have been reluctant to go beyond a third year.

Regardless, Finucane’s new deal is expected to be in the vicinity of $2 million dollars - a healthy pay-day for a player who is widely respected for his leadership, work-ethic and cultural standards.

It’s understood the Tigers stepped up their bid to sign Finucane after missing out on Tevita Pangai Jr, who is on the move from the Broncos to Canterbury.

It could throw a late curve-ball to the drawn-out negotiations which was expected to be resolved this weekend after he went through the bids with his agent Andrew Purcell on Friday.

Very, very interesting.

Let me guess how this plays out....
Saints sign Finucane after an agonisingly close, toss of the coin decision between similar,fantastic, multi-million dollar offers from the Sharks, Titans and Cowboys.
Tigers miss out.
Again.

As footballers alone (not counting off field issues), I'd have JDB over Finucane. JDB just controls the ruck with his defence and has a good offload.

Would he leave the coast though ? He’s pretty entrenched in the community down here . It’s a long way to concord .Plus the whole rape stuff is pretty on the nose . Whether it’s true or not , unfortunately everybody is guilty in the court of social media outrage .

With the Dragons wanting Mbye, a swap seems a logical step. Mick Cronin use to travel from Gerringong to Parramatta to train and play,

Dragons will play hard ball, they're already saying if they don't get him this year they won't sign him at all. They can just refuse a swap knowing we will get stuck with him next year if we can't make a deal, not sure how desperate they are for Mbye

I really don't know why WT don't hand-deliver Mbye to Saints door immediately. He is no use to us for the rest of this season, he isn't going to be the reason we sneak into the 8 or miss out. It is the only way of getting him off our books for decent remuneration for '22. It needs to happen.

Just a guess, but we have a lot of dollars, without Mbye leaving. Not much around to buy for next year, so maybe better to wait for his 2022 contract to expire, leaving us $900,000 to sign a quality player next year for 2023 ?

Why keep him on the books for '22 and have to pay him his huge salary that we get basically no value for money out of? Get rid of him immediately and then we have his '22 money in our bank for next season. Who knows what player might suddenly become available in that time?

OK, we have Hastings, and Gildart coming. We have Packer @$900.000, going, Joey Lei,going $$$$-? Reynolds money ?
So we have big $ for next year, and no one to spend it on.
Do we need Mbyes money for next year ?
Then we look at the players that also may be moved on,--Walters-- JTJ--- TT--- ZINI---KEI----CHEE KAM--- HOFFMAN and more. Paying Mbyes contract out gives us an extra $400,000 that we will find hard to spend, even allowing we will have to upgrade some players. We may need his money for 2023, is what i'm getting at.

Why do people make up numbers?

For the sixth time on here ... Packer 670k.
 
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427571) said:
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424480) said:
@fade-to-black said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424471) said:
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424467) said:
@fade-to-black said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424456) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424452) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424450) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424445) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424430) said:
@tigerballs said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424426) said:
@newtown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424417) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424413) said:
From the telegraph:

The Wests Tigers have lodged an 11th hour bid to sign the game’s hottest property Dale Finucane.

The Tigers have entered the race as it can also be revealed the Knights have ended their pursuit of the Storm and NSW Origin forward.

The 29-year-old’s current club, the Melbourne Storm, are also resigned to the fact that he will be departing the club at the end of this season.

It leaves the Tigers, Sharks, Dragons, Cowboys and Titans locked-in a multi-million dollar scrap for his signature.

All five clubs are believed to have tabled a three-year contract — but Finucane’s management have been pushing hard for an extra year to seal the deal.

Given the physical nature of the way Finucane has played the game and a recent history of calf problems, the majority of the suitors have been reluctant to go beyond a third year.

Regardless, Finucane’s new deal is expected to be in the vicinity of $2 million dollars - a healthy pay-day for a player who is widely respected for his leadership, work-ethic and cultural standards.

It’s understood the Tigers stepped up their bid to sign Finucane after missing out on Tevita Pangai Jr, who is on the move from the Broncos to Canterbury.

It could throw a late curve-ball to the drawn-out negotiations which was expected to be resolved this weekend after he went through the bids with his agent Andrew Purcell on Friday.

Very, very interesting.

Let me guess how this plays out....
Saints sign Finucane after an agonisingly close, toss of the coin decision between similar,fantastic, multi-million dollar offers from the Sharks, Titans and Cowboys.
Tigers miss out.
Again.

As footballers alone (not counting off field issues), I'd have JDB over Finucane. JDB just controls the ruck with his defence and has a good offload.

Would he leave the coast though ? He’s pretty entrenched in the community down here . It’s a long way to concord .Plus the whole rape stuff is pretty on the nose . Whether it’s true or not , unfortunately everybody is guilty in the court of social media outrage .

With the Dragons wanting Mbye, a swap seems a logical step. Mick Cronin use to travel from Gerringong to Parramatta to train and play,

Dragons will play hard ball, they're already saying if they don't get him this year they won't sign him at all. They can just refuse a swap knowing we will get stuck with him next year if we can't make a deal, not sure how desperate they are for Mbye

I really don't know why WT don't hand-deliver Mbye to Saints door immediately. He is no use to us for the rest of this season, he isn't going to be the reason we sneak into the 8 or miss out. It is the only way of getting him off our books for decent remuneration for '22. It needs to happen.

Just a guess, but we have a lot of dollars, without Mbye leaving. Not much around to buy for next year, so maybe better to wait for his 2022 contract to expire, leaving us $900,000 to sign a quality player next year for 2023 ?

Why keep him on the books for '22 and have to pay him his huge salary that we get basically no value for money out of? Get rid of him immediately and then we have his '22 money in our bank for next season. Who knows what player might suddenly become available in that time?

OK, we have Hastings, and Gildart coming. We have Packer @$900.000, going, Joey Lei,going $$$$-? Reynolds money ?
So we have big $ for next year, and no one to spend it on.
Do we need Mbyes money for next year ?
Then we look at the players that also may be moved on,--Walters-- JTJ--- TT--- ZINI---KEI----CHEE KAM--- HOFFMAN and more. Paying Mbyes contract out gives us an extra $400,000 that we will find hard to spend, even allowing we will have to upgrade some players. We may need his money for 2023, is what i'm getting at.

Why do people make up numbers?

For the sixth time on here ... Packer 670k.

Source please
 
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1424547) said:
Are people seriously wanting a 30 year old JDB on a multi year deal deal when he's on a long term deal at about 800k with the drag queens. Massive pass

Why not, h e's a better lock than Finucane at the same age and same money imo.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427307) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427304) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427174) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1427169) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1426984) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1426977) said:
@snake said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1426955) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1426948) said:
Be great for members & fans to hear some juniors signing news too given the club’s focus on junior pathways. Even that news gives us all hope & knowledge that recruitment is moving ahead.

On the subject, James Hooper mentioned in his blog we have lost promising junior Jaxson Rahme. This kid was an emerging SG Ball Tigers prop & dominated at the recent NSW school carnival. Very disappointing if true.

But I thought there was a strategy! Yeh right !!

We snapped up that other prop and Saukuru brothers . Maybe he saw limited game time here , as those boys were all nsw/ nz / aus squad players .
Seriously why even follow the club ?

These posts annoy me. You don’t know how much Snake or other fans have invested in the club, both financially and with their time. Just because someone has a differing view of how the club is going doesn’t make them less of a supporter.

They only annoy you because they invalidate your own world view , and undermine your position .
I’m not saying blindly follow the club , but when he says things like “I thought there was a strategy , yea right “ , how is that a differing opinion ? It’s nothing of the sort . Is negativity for negativity’s sake .
If 1 kid who has above average talent , not elite talent , above average , leaves, it doesn’t undermine the whole idea of building . Nor does signing some gun player either .
A series of elite juniors leaving or signing , along with pathway degradation , or improvement may , or may not .
It’s series of events that leads a pathway to what may lie in the future .
And outside of a really poor first grade , which sux , it’s mind boggling , but anyways , we have won at all junior levels , signed smart people, brought back Tim sheens , along with Kimmorley , and continue to sign elite juniors .
The law of averages says this strategy will work, it just takes time , and patience . Something guys like you and snake , have zero time for .
For me , it’s been ten years , what’s another one .
Because I’d much rather sustained success , than 1 or 2 good years then not much.

Seriously man what are you rambling about? I said don’t question others support for the club as you have zero idea what their support looks like.

I pretty much disagree with everything you write but I’m not going to tell you to support another club.

You know exactly what I’m saying , I explained it clearly . Being negative is fine . We all vent , but what’s the point of constantly every single post , sentence is a backhanded compliment , or outright negativity.
I disagree with you a lot as well . As you rarely offer any solution to your whinging . It’s fine to point out flaws , and problems , but rarely do you offer solutions .
“This guy sux,the club sux , this recruit is crap , we can’t recruit people… IT IS CONSTANT!!!
I dont understand it . And I hate reading it . It’s no different to the Wests tigers Facebook page .

I don’t want to fight . As I like hearing your alternate view, and at times I’ve shifted to an idea you’ve had because you’ve validated it concisely , and offered reasoning .
And most of the time I don’t agree . But that’s ok . I’m sure you’re a good bloke , we just offer different world views .

But like I said , I hate whinging with no solution , and I hate bullying or mob mentality (not applicable here).
So when I see it , I’ll call it out , especially when it’s not true . As is in this situation.

I said to you that you shouldn't tell people who to support because you don't know what sort of supporter they are. And for some reason now you're airing your grievances about my posting generally, which is absolutely your right to do. But also please know that I don't care.

Cool man whatever . I’ve explained myself the last 2 posts , if you don’t get it now you never will. And that’s ok . I hope we can win a lot more in the future so you can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel .
All the best mate , it’s hard to convey tone and context in the written format .
 

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