Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[innsaneink]

Stupid thread

 

[240z]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

it sounds a useful idea. How was it being rorted by the top teams?

The teams were responsible for putting forward how many points each player was worth and this was not vetted by the Sydney RU. Hence no checking the system got rorted. But if managed properly by the NRL everybody knows how much each player is worth so there can't be any sort of cheating. This points system and Salary Cap is the only sensible way to do this. As an exercise last year I did the calculations on West Tigers and Easts and the outcome was as expected

 

[240z]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

This idea comes up every so often and there's a reason why it's never been seriously explored in the NRL: because it would never get past the players union - and quite rightly so, because it's dreadful. Imagine if teams were forced to put a star player weighting on, say, Aaron Woods (multiple caps for Australia and NSW). He'd never get a contract at all, even at bargain basement level, his agent and the union would be livid and would probably sue for restraint of trade.

Oh yeah, and the system would also kill off international rugby league for good. Imagine if some young kid gets offered a place in the Samoa squad for a world cup and, say, Craig Bellamy doesn't want him to take the extra X points for being an international rep. He just says "up to you if you want to play international football, but we don't have cap room to re-sign another international for next year". All of a sudden players are dropping like flies with mystery injuries before international games.

Plus, you're now effectively placing cap management in the hands of rep selectors. Remember when Nathan Merritt got called up for the Blues and played the worst game in origin history? Well, under the rep points system he's now worth less to any club as well because he's officially a rep player and they can't have too many of them.

The problem with all these "how to fix the salary cap" ideas is that they sound great in the pub but when you actually consider the ramifications and how they would play out in roster management they tend to fall apart. Mind you, you could say the same about most of the recent rule changes and that hasn't stopped the halfwits running the show from pushing them through, so we'll probably get some nonsense like this if it appeals to V'Landys.

I understand, but I did only give a very simplistic view of how it works e.g.: A Soman player would be classed as a second tier RL nation would only be charged at half the rate of a NZ or Aust player. There is a lot of ways this can work but its not unworkable

 

[TigerWest]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

I still say to that - if players don't want to play under made because he makes them train hard - the they are not the players we need at WT

But also think madge has made changes to how him operates over the last few years that doesn't fit the stereotype of him

Is it possible that players don’t want to be coached by Madge not because he trains them too hard but because the view is he can’t improve their game? And it can’t just be about our facilities, manly have equally terrible training facilities and Des just took them to a semi final

Des is just as intense as Maguire and also suffered from the game had past him lack of ideas etc after his stint at the Bulldogs. But Des happens to have a good roster with quality players in key positions - a blend of experienced leadership on the field and youth that is coming through. It makes a difference. Those key p l Ayers don't perform and they struggle despite the coach.

Yep, there roster is Turbo with 16 hangers on.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

The Pom had the wrong oil on the Madge continuation.

Nope.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Stupid thread

80% of Irrelevant rubbish.

 

[2041]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

This idea comes up every so often and there's a reason why it's never been seriously explored in the NRL: because it would never get past the players union - and quite rightly so, because it's dreadful. Imagine if teams were forced to put a star player weighting on, say, Aaron Woods (multiple caps for Australia and NSW). He'd never get a contract at all, even at bargain basement level, his agent and the union would be livid and would probably sue for restraint of trade.

Oh yeah, and the system would also kill off international rugby league for good. Imagine if some young kid gets offered a place in the Samoa squad for a world cup and, say, Craig Bellamy doesn't want him to take the extra X points for being an international rep. He just says "up to you if you want to play international football, but we don't have cap room to re-sign another international for next year". All of a sudden players are dropping like flies with mystery injuries before international games.

Plus, you're now effectively placing cap management in the hands of rep selectors. Remember when Nathan Merritt got called up for the Blues and played the worst game in origin history? Well, under the rep points system he's now worth less to any club as well because he's officially a rep player and they can't have too many of them.

The problem with all these "how to fix the salary cap" ideas is that they sound great in the pub but when you actually consider the ramifications and how they would play out in roster management they tend to fall apart. Mind you, you could say the same about most of the recent rule changes and that hasn't stopped the halfwits running the show from pushing them through, so we'll probably get some nonsense like this if it appeals to V'Landys.


I understand, but I did only give a very simplistic view of how it works e.g.: A Soman player would be classed as a second tier RL nation would only be charged at half the rate of a NZ or Aust player. There is a lot of ways this can work but its not unworkable

I suspected that would be the response, but it doesn't work either. All of a sudden you are articificially inflating the value of "second tier" nation players over that of Australian and NZ players. What are you doing about Tonga? What if they win a world cup?

This is my whole point: any system that puts an arbitrary, external value on players is going to distort roster construction and probably won't solve the problems you want it to.

 

[earl]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

The Pom had the wrong oil on the Madge continuation.

Nope.

I'm pretty confident he said Madge came through fine and then there were some backdoor shenanigans that happened. He was right though.

 

[TheDaBoss]


There is no avoiding him

 

[Tiger5150]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, ***it’s for a reason***. He posts when he’s ready.

Maybe they have plugged the leaks?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, ***it’s for a reason***. He posts when he’s ready.

Maybe they have plugged the leaks?

We know that’s not true

 

[TheDaBoss]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, ***it’s for a reason***. He posts when he’s ready.

Maybe they have plugged the leaks?

We know that’s not true

Need a new plumber

 

[DJG]


There is no avoiding him

2 year deal @ 400K Per year and Captaincy.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, ***it’s for a reason***. He posts when he’s ready.

Maybe they have plugged the leaks?

We know that’s not true

Need a new plumber

Maybe the POM is Wayne Collins???

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, ***it’s for a reason***. He posts when he’s ready.

Maybe they have plugged the leaks?

We know that’s not true

Need a new plumber

Maybe the POM is Wayne Collins???

Nah his handle would be Ypoons so he didnt blow his cover.

 

[ConePuncher]

Can the mods please encourage people to only post about signings rumours and suggestions in this thread? It's almost unreadable.

 

[Geo]

Cameron Munster

 

[TheDaBoss]

Cameron Munster

Had his worse game of the season on saturday
Would slide str8 into our team

Swap for brooks

 

[240z]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

This idea comes up every so often and there's a reason why it's never been seriously explored in the NRL: because it would never get past the players union - and quite rightly so, because it's dreadful. Imagine if teams were forced to put a star player weighting on, say, Aaron Woods (multiple caps for Australia and NSW). He'd never get a contract at all, even at bargain basement level, his agent and the union would be livid and would probably sue for restraint of trade.

Oh yeah, and the system would also kill off international rugby league for good. Imagine if some young kid gets offered a place in the Samoa squad for a world cup and, say, Craig Bellamy doesn't want him to take the extra X points for being an international rep. He just says "up to you if you want to play international football, but we don't have cap room to re-sign another international for next year". All of a sudden players are dropping like flies with mystery injuries before international games.

Plus, you're now effectively placing cap management in the hands of rep selectors. Remember when Nathan Merritt got called up for the Blues and played the worst game in origin history? Well, under the rep points system he's now worth less to any club as well because he's officially a rep player and they can't have too many of them.

The problem with all these "how to fix the salary cap" ideas is that they sound great in the pub but when you actually consider the ramifications and how they would play out in roster management they tend to fall apart. Mind you, you could say the same about most of the recent rule changes and that hasn't stopped the halfwits running the show from pushing them through, so we'll probably get some nonsense like this if it appeals to V'Landys.


I understand, but I did only give a very simplistic view of how it works e.g.: A Soman player would be classed as a second tier RL nation would only be charged at half the rate of a NZ or Aust player. There is a lot of ways this can work but its not unworkable

I suspected that would be the response, but it doesn't work either. All of a sudden you are articificially inflating the value of "second tier" nation players over that of Australian and NZ players. What are you doing about Tonga? What if they win a world cup?

This is my whole point: any system that puts an arbitrary, external value on players is going to distort roster construction and probably won't solve the problems you want it to.

I'm not saying it is a perfect solution to the problem, I'm just saying its possible. This is the solution that is used for Sydney RU and second tier AFL in Victoria.

I personally doubt that there is a 100% perfect solution. I'm sure some players would refuse to play SOO or for Australia for the fear that it may affect their employability at a later stage of their career, this is the area that needs to be addressed in this solution.

But what we have now is definitely not working, something has to change to have an somewhat equal competition. Also, most large companies and unions put arbitrary value on employees via Enterprise Agreements. The only difference is this does not change their $ paid value only their points to the club.

It really is a difficult problem to solve - interesting chat ..... thx

 

[clontarfkid]

Cameron Munster

Had his worse game of the season on saturday
Would slide str8 into our team

Swap for brooks

Cameron Munster

Had his worse game of the season on saturday
Would slide str8 into our team

Swap for brooks

Munster is a growing problem for Bellyache...apart from injuries which may affect his ongoing form,he was totally invisible during SOO and has been disappointing for some time at Storm(they functioned better without him)
Almost certainly Munster has a $1mill + contract in his back pocket to be the foundation captain of new Brisbane club(whichever it is),which doesnt help ,but hes far from the dominant playmaker he was a year or two ago.
Unless theres a major turnaround in form,Bellyache will be glad to get rid of him on his $$