Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger-ferret]

Surely they can train line running? For me he double ticks every other box!

I wouldn't go that far. His defence is exceptional, but needs a higher work rate in attack. To be fair, he did seem to be improving as the season progressed.

Yeah I probably got a bit excited there lol. Definitely not perfect. But he’s young, big, good hands, quick off the mark? hits hard and of course his defensive stats. Looking forward to him going the next level!

 

[DGilly]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

He's not a bottom 3 Starting Hooker....
He's just not... He's in a bottom 3 side.
There is far worse hookers that played Finals last year.

Who?

Lawton, Rein, Verrils, Stone, J Brailey...

Basically all the ones that aren't the 3-4 That everyone would want but doesn't have.

Says hes not a bottom three starting hooker then names a bunch of guys who don't start. Brailey is the only guy who starts in that list

 

[DGilly]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

You are correct - much more than stats. Than you start to make up reasons to fit your agenda for not liking him.

Personally I don't care if you like him or not, you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else, but please watch him play first.

Oh thanks for the suggestion. I'll watch him play. Cheers!

Maybe I have watched him play and have watched enough NRL to know that he is sub par

 

[sparci]

I get the support for Liddle, but please don't try to appreciate his service game. Its the lowest tier for first grade hookers.

Is it possible that with hard work and practice he can improve his passing game?

Of course, a couple seasons ago it was good, dont know what happen this season. I hope if he continues to have support as the primary hooker, that it improves because, as I say, right now you can't appreciate his passing.

 

[Wildcat777]

What the hell is going on with this thread. I thought It was to talk about signing rumours or suggestions based on who's available. Why are there 10 plus pages of talk about Liddle and bloody stats or where someone got them from about him. BORING!

Agreed start a new thread don’t sabotage existing threads. But I fear some have agenda’s and do intentionally. But I hope not. There is a thread for just about every player somewhere, use that please.

 

[Russell]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

His running game is his strength. Unfortunately for his 10 linebreaks he's caused 13 against us. His defence, passing and stamina needs to improve.

Where the blokes around him, what were they doing?

Probably telling him off at training for throwing a simple pass from dummy half way forward or being too slow when passing from the play the ball well that’s what LL did anyway during last off season and honestly he had a point but extreme with the push and shove that occurred but he was right to tell him off and for him to be better

I think it is up to a player to fix his own game, before having a go at someone else. Don't agree with your other assessment either just by the way, just my opinion.

 

[teddy23]

Luki and Nanai must be not that highly prioritised knowing hard hard they went for Kikau and Luciano for the 2023 season offering massive overs….. there’s only 2 second rower spots as well so maybe one of them are more prioritised than the other

So one of them will miss out on a starting spot, knowing they haven’t locked up Luki yet and is off contract I can see a Luki for Luciano trade getting done

Luki and Blore as our starting back rowers for 2022 will give them some experience and help shape our future

 

[Russell]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

I just don't get the Liddle bashing. His defence is as good as most starting hookers and I his passing game...someone in this forum started bagging him for no reason and a whole bunch of dimwits just joined in. Watch more than one game, then make a judgement.

I watched every game and was expecting much more then what I got from him. Does that still make me a dimwit or does that make you an imbecile. His defence was the second worst for a hooker in the NRL someone posted some stats before. And if you watched all his games and you think his passing is as good as most starting hookers then your an even bigger imbecile then I thought. I would love for him to do well, but 2021 was no stand out year for liddle.

I’ve not seen anyone suggest that it was - all ive seen is posters unashamedly claim Simpkin is better (which he isn’t) and to move in Liddle - without naming a replacement….

Which is a whole new level of stupid

Liddle has shown he can’t pass, poor defender and can’t play 80. Simpkin dominated junior grades and is 20. There is a reason the club is looking at moving Liddle. He’s not getting much better and his level is not of a first grade hooker.

Simpkin who is not NRL ready projects to be a much better player. He looks a season away to me but it may be sooner.

Getting a bit sick of this hate on liddle, I admit he was poor last year in passing, I have watched him since he started playing with us, and his passing has been sharp and of quality throughout his playing career, until this last season. Why the change?? Well have a look at physical changes in the last 12-18 months to particularly his arm muscle density. His arms are huge, I don’t know if u guys realise that with that amount of growth in a relatively short time would make your arms although stronger, u would lose flexibility and a bit of finesse. Give him a bit of time to adjust to his new guns and I believe u will see him get much better this season!
On his defence, as previously stated by other forum members, most of the time in the middle he is alone tackling a massive unit, where are the rest of his middles helping??? Again just a poor defensive team that liddle cops the bad raps for!!
On him being gassed, this is due to the great Madge bench rotation, or lack of it. He’s a massive impact player like cook. Cook took years till he played 80 minutes. Give him time after several years of injuries to adjust to the game,
On Simpkin, last season he was scoring heaps of try’s in reserves, mostly from dummy half crash overs and every one though he was the second coming! Then liddle was dropped to reserve grade and absolutely killer it. Scoring several try’s and setting up heaps(not just from crash overs.
Moral of the story is, don’t get caught up in the hype of Simpkin he may come good in time, but weigh to small and inexperienced for first grade yet. I’d be going with liddle and Peachey coming of the bench to give him a break for the first half of the year. Then maybe introduce Simpkin. But remember bringing liddle on early in his career made him get two shoulder reconstructions. Don’t push small built hookers in to early.

What a sensible post - agree with all you have said......well done.

 

[batboy]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

He's not a bottom 3 Starting Hooker....
He's just not... He's in a bottom 3 side.
There is far worse hookers that played Finals last year.

Who?

Lawton, Rein, Verrils, Stone, J Brailey...

Basically all the ones that aren't the 3-4 That everyone would want but doesn't have.

Says hes not a bottom three starting hooker then names a bunch of guys who don't start. Brailey is the only guy who starts in that list

Who’s the roosters first choice hooker next year? Who’s hooker at the Titans now rein is gone?

Furthermore - Rein started in 20 odd games in the 9 last year… I said there was worse hookers that played finals - and I’m right.

If you don’t know what you’re talking about - just don’t talk

 

[Russell]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

92.1% according to Wests Tigers site - You really love bashing this guy - In fact you are nearly rivaling Paws and his bashing of Madge.

Good on you - say it enough and a few people will believe you (in fact a few have), I'm sure you'll get a few more on the bandwagon to bash Lids as the weeks go by.

Installing Sheens above him and appointing two new assistants is strongly suggestive the club wants signficant change. Note also Sheen's straight bat answers about Maguire in the SMH article. It doesn't auger well for him. FYI - criticising Maguire is not bashing.

Lastly, I am a supporter of Liddle but I did not high tail it off the forum when he hit hard times last year.

Neither did I - tired of explaining that to you mate.

 

[Magpieger]

I didn't see much Cup, but does anyone have an idea about Tuki's projection for '22? Is he on track to see more 1st grade? Seemed to hold his own in limited minutes this year.

 

[KingRobbie]

I didn't see much Cup, but does anyone have an idea about Tuki's projection for '22? Is he on track to see more 1st grade? Seemed to hold his own in limited minutes this year.

I reckon we'll see more of him next year.

Struggled defensively at times but his offloading game looks dynamic for someone who's still only 19.

Lots of potential imo.

 

[Demps]


Another one possibly on the way out...

 

[Magpieger]

I didn't see much Cup, but does anyone have an idea about Tuki's projection for '22? Is he on track to see more 1st grade? Seemed to hold his own in limited minutes this year.

I reckon we'll see more of him next year.

Struggled defensively at times but his offloading game looks dynamic for someone who's still only 19.

Lots of potential imo.

I'm looking forward to seeing him kick-on and I can't help but wonder if he'd get the same wraps Luki has if he'd gotten more 1st grade throughout the season.

 

[Magpieger]


Another one possibly on the way out...

Question is: Do we want him? Or can the Dolphins have him? Or are we just LoLing at Parra?🤣

 

[DGilly]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

He's not a bottom 3 Starting Hooker....
He's just not... He's in a bottom 3 side.
There is far worse hookers that played Finals last year.

Who?

Lawton, Rein, Verrils, Stone, J Brailey...

Basically all the ones that aren't the 3-4 That everyone would want but doesn't have.

Says hes not a bottom three starting hooker then names a bunch of guys who don't start. Brailey is the only guy who starts in that list

Who’s the roosters first choice hooker next year? Who’s hooker at the Titans now rein is gone?

Furthermore - Rein started in 20 odd games in the 9 last year… I said there was worse hookers that played finals - and I’m right.

If you don’t know what you’re talking about - just don’t talk

I said he is bottom 3 starting hooker in the NRL and you named 5 guys, 4 of which don't start. You are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. Also I'd take Brailey over Liddle; way better defender. Actually topped the NRL in tackles and had 2/3ish the missed tackles Liddle had

 

[nrlsurvivor]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

92.1% according to Wests Tigers site - You really love bashing this guy - In fact you are nearly rivaling Paws and his bashing of Madge.

Good on you - say it enough and a few people will believe you (in fact a few have), I'm sure you'll get a few more on the bandwagon to bash Lids as the weeks go by.

Sorry to add to the Liddle/Simpkin posts but I wanted to clarify for everyone, the tackle efficiency stats are measured differently on nrl.com versus fox sports lab. Fox sports lab are stricter on tackles. If someone flops in late then they don’t count that as a tackle whereas nrl.com does. Fox sports lab are again strict with their definition of efficiency. Both ineffective tackles and missed tackles are included in the denominator. For some reason, fox sports don’t round their stats, so an efficiency of 87.9 is incorrectly shown as 87… For the Liddle vs Simpkin debate it’s much of a muchness as they’re both within 1% of each other when comparing on the same platform. The issue becomes when you compare across platforms. Then you could make ones stats look better than the other to suit your argument.

 

[Demps]


Another one possibly on the way out...

Question is: Do we want him? Or can the Dolphins have him? Or are we just LoLing at Parra??

Some have mentioned him..

LOL @ Parra all day.

Being picked to pieces.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Okay guys - let’s keep it moving/rolling.

Maybe Robson could be a good swap for him but I’d be more inclined to let old mate rot in reserves for the year no matter who NQL offer us. Maybe only Luki or Tuilagi (Murray?)

What is everybody’s thoughts?
Ladies and gents

I like Murray. Better fills a need for us. But I doubt they’d let him go.

 

[the_third]

What the hell is going on with this thread. I thought It was to talk about signing rumours or suggestions based on who's available. Why are there 10 plus pages of talk about Liddle and bloody stats or where someone got them from about him. BORING!

Agreed start a new thread don’t sabotage existing threads. But I fear some have agenda’s and do intentionally. But I hope not. There is a thread for just about every player somewhere, use that please.

Spot on then I can ignore that thread and not have the read about brooks/Madge and now Liddle in every thread. It’s pathetic that some do this repeatedly and stink up the forum for everyone else.

It constantly amazes me that some seem so hell bent on saying the same things over and over and over again. It’s not constructive or interesting at all.

I lurk more than post because of a couple of really boring people on here, it’s simply not interesting to read the same posts in every thread continually. These people have really made this place uninteresting for me.