Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tom Shines]

Johnson, DWZ, Klokstadd, Montoya and Dylan Walker all played international footy.

Don’t compare to our backs.

I know we let their coach go. Only adds to my argument that coaches aren’t the issue here.

We acquired 4 internationals too last off season

Personally,,, their international status is irrelevant… they have all been acquired over the last 2 seasons .. i wonder if we tried to acquire them?..,

And good coaches improve playerrs… see DWZ and Montoya who were playing a lot of NSW Cup before they got over there ,,

 

[Tom Shines]

We won 3 out of 4 games in a month including beating two top four sides. I’d call that improvement.

We then lost two of our most important players and our admin shit the bed.

so what ?

we lost 8 games before that and have done nothing since…

 

[Tom Shines]

A. We lost 7.

B. We don’t have a spine.

It’s not coaching.

Its more than 1 reason, and coaching is on that list

 

[weststigerman]

His knee was cooked and he hasn’t played firsts since!

He's been playing QLD Cup. Has barely missed a game, Titans just have a better roster than us. He would have been better than having Kepaoa on the wing.

Should have finished the year with us.

 

[Telltails]

DWZ and Johnson were there last year when they were still struggling

Metcalf, Nicoll Klokstad aren’t bad pickups last offseason

Add Dylan Walker and Mitch Barnett both great competitors - they recruited better than most clubs.

 

[weststigerman]

I actually agree with decision to move on Maumalo

It's fine to move him on at the end of the year, but we're playing Scolari and Ogden on the wing at the moment in NSW Cup.

We should have replaced him with someone who could potentially step up to first grade.

 

[BZN]

No mate. I honestly will not support another character assassination at this club. It’s very clear to me who the problems are and if they keep acting selfish and treating coaches as the fall guy I’m done. It’s time for real change in the club or it’ll be change for me.

Thanks for your kind words if they were sincere.

Quite honestly BAGNF05, there may be many times on here where 2 people can disagree on issues but still 'respect' each other's point of view.
On the other hand, there's a lot of disrespect on here.
I currently have 5 posters blocked that just annoy me, nothing more than that, but it should be 6, as I have zero respect for and therefore a total lack of trust in this 6th person.
And being realistic, I realise there is probably a lot on here who have me blocked, as I just plain and simple 'piss em off' 😂 but that's ok, as we cant like or be liked by everyone.

 

[The Chad]

Ahh, I forgot, it's Monday. Time to rip into each other over the most trivial stuff..

 

[Frosty]

We won 3 out of 4 games in a month including beating two top four sides. I’d call that improvement.

We then lost two of our most important players and our admin shit the bed.

I remember beating Penrith. Who was the other top 4 team we beat? We haven’t beaten Broncos, Storm, Raiders, Warriors, Sharks, Eels, Rabbitohs....

 

[Tom Shines]

It's fine to move him on at the end of the year, but we're playing Scolari and Ogden on the wing at the moment in NSW Cup.

We should have replaced him with someone who could potentially step up to first grade.

Of course he should have been replaced…

But it appears we don’t replace players we let go

 

[boonboon]

Of course he should have been replaced…

But it appears we don’t replace players we let go

We replaced Maumalo with Bula in our top 30.

 

[Tom Shines]

We replaced Maumalo with Bula in our top 30.

get rid of AJ then for proper winger depth

 

[mikey]

It's a fair point but I'll counter with stakeholder management with player managers is a critically important component of recruitment and retention. If they can't do that they shouldn't be in that role.

No argument on that from me.

 

[Tom Shines]

Add Dylan Walker and Mitch Barnett both great competitors - they recruited better than most clubs.

They have certainly found some diamonds in the rough like Ford and Metcalf

 

[The Chad]

Couple of things to keep in mind with the current bout of "Bad Tigerisms":

While it is reported (perceived perhaps?) that player managers are contacting the Tigers due to concerns over player development- in the ACTUAL article written by Buzz, he states that HE contacted the agents of Api - who said that it's not a happy place right now- and the agent of Utoikamanu, Papali'i & To'a- who wouldn't comment.

This is VERY different from agents calling the Tigers saying they have no faith in the Tigers coaches.

It was RAY HADLEY the week Fulton was brought in, given credit for his appointment. It is RAY HADLEY & his mate PETER PETERS now saying Sheens has to go. The news report also said it was MARIO TARTAK that brought Fulton to the Tigers. Take this for what it is- but for mine, this smells bad for Fulton & his mates more than Sheens & Benji.

Also, this 'secret meeting' between Marshall & Fulton is to 'hash out the issues between MARSHALL & FULTON.' Now, anyone that deals with HR, do you also bring in the co-workers around you in these situations? The fact the Sheens isn't being brought in could simply be because Lee & Pascoe want...Fulton & Marshall to hash out their issues. It's only the media, and then those that buy into it, that want us to believe Sheens is on the outer.

The argument is apparently over COGGER vs SEZAR. The same people selling us this story, told us COGGER rejected the Tigers weeks ago. Someone got the stories wrong.

This last bit I took right off a post on Facebook- so no credit to me- but....Fulton comes to the Tigers & we are instantly linked to Schuster (managed by Tartak). Report is he will cost $1.2m Benji says no thanks & Schuster re-signs with Manly for $800k, a loss of $400k. It is FROM THAT MOMENT that the Fainu's, who were just about written in ink at the Tigers, are suddenly looking at their options. Now the Dolphins don't want the Fainu's- and we start hearing that managers (read- Tartak) have no confidence in Sheens/Marshall & all the Fulton buddies are out saying that the Tigers coaches don't have the confidence of player managers. Fulton tells Benji to sign the Fainu's. Benji gives it the green light. Yet, no Fainu signings. Putting the pieces together- Fulton is trying to get Tartak looked after, probably some kind of agreement between them to get his star players looked after away from Manly, and now that Benji & Sheens don't WANT these guys are the value they are being told- we have a disappointed player manager trying to get his star players a big payday. This 'secret meeting' they are having today, Pascoe & Lee need to bring in Tartak separately as well. This smells. Benji & Sheens have done nothing BETTER than promote player development. For the report to come out saying managers have doubts on their player development the same year Bula, Tupou, Pole & Da Silva emerge, as well as 2 U19 SOO representatives, plus a number of players stepping into the Top 30 from the juniors next year...doesn't add up.

Lastly- weird how Bula's $120k contract suddenly comes up. Before we bag the club on this- he is an 11 game veteran who wasn't a Top 30 player at the beginning of the year. $120k is good coin for an absolute rookie. No doubt he gets a contract extension. So before we pitchfork Pascoe, Lee, Sheens, Marshall, Santa or the Easter Bunny- let's just remember that this was his first professional contract, signed before he even made the field.

 

[The Chad]

I was there in 2012 and letting him go was one of the few correct decisions this club has made.

In any case his coaching record ain't that flash imo.

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If this record is supposed to support a case for Sheens being not that great a coach...I think someone is reading the room wrong. There wouldn't be too many coaches comparable. And how many have his GF success rate?

Sheens is, and always has been, a revolutionary coach.

 

[Tom Shines]

If this record is supposed to support a case for Sheens being not that great a coach...I think someone is reading the room wrong. There wouldn't be too many coaches comparable. And how many have his GF success rate?

Sheens is, and always has been, a revolutionary coach.

The French and Russia revolutions ended up with a lot of people losing their heads or lined up against a wall and shot …

 

[The Chad]

The French and Russia revolutions ended up with a lot of people losing their heads or lined up against a wall and shot …

So not unlike the way the masses are treating Sheens in here then?

 

[Le Tiger]

Ray Hadley just defended Fulton on air, called for Sheens to be sacked and said Fulton should be allowed to buy whoever he wants and Benji should basically just accept it.
We've created a monster.

Another great decision by Pascoe & Lee

 

[Tom Shines]

So not unlike the way the masses are treating Sheens in here then?

I hope The Sheenius isn’t the only one headed to the guillotine… Lee, Pascoe and Fulton can get in the line behind him…