Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger_Steve]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

I appreciate your sentiments and you make good sense. However, I think it’s time for our club to perform. We have a full cap and have used most of it assembling a first grade squad that needs to be competitive. The front office has transformed. We have an established coach. It’s time. I love the club and I’ll always be a member and rusted on supporter but I’m sick of waiting. We have all put up with unbelievable mismanagement at admin and playing levels. It’s time to deliver some success. I’m not getting any younger!!

 

[Tigerdon]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

Totally agree Col.
2018 are the foundations.

 

[bigsiro]

Just want to clarify something said earlier about Cronk possibly fitting under the Roosters sombrero, and particularly, how some here believe that TPAs signed (by the Roosters) are technically within the rules.

Firstly, it is accepted that the players are paid not solely from funds within the Salary Cap. Any attempt to restrict them to that would be a restraint of trade.

But it must also be acknowledged that practically all TPAs are not "technically" within the rules. Because, quite simply; TPAs need to be at arms length from the club. And they are most certainly not. (This is nothing we don't already know.)

There is basically nothing stopping a marquee player signing for a club for a pittance and getting offered big bucks in TPAs. This has already been happening for years and has enabled clubs to exploit the NRL's lenience in policing TPAs which are not at "arms length".
Some would say that the NRLs leniency is not afforded to all clubs. I would agree. But I'd also suggest that any club who doesn't have the attitude of "if we can't beat em join em" (in exploiting the cap/TPA situation) then that club needs to get off its backside and smell the damn coffee.

Anyway, the whole system is a mess and makes a mockery of the whole idea that a salary cap levels the playing field.

 

[innsaneink]

Just want to clarify something said earlier about Cronk possibly fitting under the Roosters sombrero, and particularly, how some here believe that TPAs signed (by the Roosters) are technically within the rules.

Firstly, it is accepted that the players are paid not solely from funds within the Salary Cap. Any attempt to restrict them to that would be a restraint of trade.

But it must also be acknowledged that practically all TPAs are not "technically" within the rules. Because, quite simply; TPAs need to be at arms length from the club. And they are most certainly not. (This is nothing we don't already know.)

There is basically nothing stopping a marquee player signing for a club for a pittance and getting offered big bucks in TPAs. This has already been happening for years and has enabled clubs to exploit the NRL's lenience in policing TPAs which are not at "arms length".

I believe the NRL set a nominal fee for all players to prevent what you suggested….this came up when I believe it was benji returned to the NRL from union...
Happening for years?
Which players?

Some would say that the NRLs leniency is not afforded to all clubs. I would agree. But I'd also suggest that any club who doesn't have the attitude of "if we can't beat em join em" (in exploiting the cap/TPA situation) then that club needs to get off its backside and smell the damn coffee.
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Anyway, the whole system is a mess and makes a mockery of the whole idea that a salary cap levels the playing field.

I dont think theyve ever been quoted as saying the cap is ''to level the playing field''
They usually bang on that its to protect clubs from overspending...to protect clubs from themselves

 

[bigsiro]

1\. Happening for years: there are heaps of examples, the most obvious being Lockyer. He was on a relatively low contract but TPAs made up for it. James Roberts is another. SBW was a famous one. The nominal fee thing was a possible solution but it hasn't worked - it has only served as another vehicle for exploitation.

2\. The salary cap was absolutely designed as THE solution to ensure a fair competition (they even condemned a draft due to the Salary Cap being the sufficient great leveller). Yes, a by-product of the Salary Cap, the rugby league hierarchy suggest, is the protection of clubs from over spending, but that is really just spin for poor clubs. Wealthy clubs with good connections habitually overspend, but they can afford to and the public are duped to believe that this is "within the rules".

 

[Bones]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

I think we need a marquee player but there's no need to rush. Wait for the right player at the right price in the right position.

Signing the wrong marquee player can cripple a club for years, just ask the Titans.

 

[Bones]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

I think we need a marquee player but there's no need to rush. Wait for the right player at the right price in the right position.

Signing the wrong marquee player can cripple a club for years, just ask the Titans.

 

[Joel Helmes]

And remember Ivan’s philosophy that “the star of the team is the team”, I don’t think he will be that fussed about having one superstar at the expense of depth.

 

[TigersDenNZ]

Not a suggestion or a rumour, purely an interesting thought since credible news on player movement has been at a stand still for a wee while.

Ive put together a squad of ex tigers who are now at other NRL clubs and in my opinion its just about a premiership contender!

This is in a hypothetical "no salary cap and no poor attitude" universe. Thoughts?

(Koro cos although he switched codes hes still playing nrl equivalent, simona cos i couldnt think of any other centres)

1.James Tedesco
2\. Marika Koroibete
3\. Blake Ayshford
4\. Tim Simona
5\. Josh Ado Carr
6\. Blake Austin
7\. Te Maire Martin
8.Andrew Fifita
9\. Robbie Farrah
10.Aaron Woods
11.Adam Blair
12.Martin Taupau
13\. Chris Heighington

 

[Chris]

Why do people put Ayshford in their Ex-Tigers line up? He was crap while he was here and he's been crap since he left.

 

[TigersDenNZ]

Why do people put Ayshford in their Ex-Tigers line up? He was crap while he was here and he's been crap since he left.

Cos he is the only centre i can think of that still plays… unless curtis sironen had a game at centre in under 11s

 

[Geo]

Not a suggestion or a rumour, purely an interesting thought since credible news on player movement has been at a stand still for a wee while.

Ive put together a squad of ex tigers who are now at other NRL clubs and in my opinion its just about a premiership contender!

This is in a hypothetical "no salary cap and no poor attitude" universe. **Thoughts?**

(Koro cos although he switched codes hes still playing nrl equivalent, simona cos i couldnt think of any other centres)

1.James Tedesco
2\. Marika Koroibete
3\. Blake Ayshford
4\. Tim Simona
5\. Josh Ado Carr
6\. Blake Austin
7\. Te Maire Martin
8.Andrew Fifita
9\. Robbie Farrah
10.Aaron Woods
11.Adam Blair
12.Martin Taupau
13\. Chris Heighington

Bench is a little light on..

 

[TigersDenNZ]

Not a suggestion or a rumour, purely an interesting thought since credible news on player movement has been at a stand still for a wee while.

Ive put together a squad of ex tigers who are now at other NRL clubs and in my opinion its just about a premiership contender!

This is in a hypothetical "no salary cap and no poor attitude" universe. **Thoughts?**

(Koro cos although he switched codes hes still playing nrl equivalent, simona cos i couldnt think of any other centres)

1.James Tedesco
2\. Marika Koroibete
3\. Blake Ayshford
4\. Tim Simona
5\. Josh Ado Carr
6\. Blake Austin
7\. Te Maire Martin
8.Andrew Fifita
9\. Robbie Farrah
10.Aaron Woods
11.Adam Blair
12.Martin Taupau
13\. Chris Heighington

Bench is a little light on..

14\. Curtis Sironen
15\. James Gavet
16\. Ava Seumanufagai
17\. Nathan Brown

 

[steve-o]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

I appreciate your sentiments and you make good sense. However, I think it’s time for our club to perform. We have a full cap and have used most of it assembling a first grade squad that needs to be competitive. The front office has transformed. We have an established coach. It’s time. I love the club and I’ll always be a member and rusted on supporter but I’m sick of waiting. We have all put up with unbelievable mismanagement at admin and playing levels. It’s time to deliver some success. I’m not getting any younger!!

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

 

[tigerap]

We really need a marquee singing to give us that edge next year. I don't see that happening but would be good if we snare someone decent before next year

Think Big. We have not seen this team play. We get someone Marquee like Jaryd Hayne we could end up like the Titans!

Let this team settle, players will come on the market but this team needs to Gel. I doubt we will be in the top 8 next year and considering how much change has happened, that is fine.

We need to think 3 years ahead. Cleary has a long term plan with the Tigers "playing a recognizable style of football", start here. Sign people who are solid and reasonably priced, then go Marquee hunting when we can get stars without paying huge overs. Then we will go well. Yes us fans it's year 12 of waiting, for Cleary it's year 1\. We can't build teams on sand, lets build a strong base and work from there.

I appreciate your sentiments and you make good sense. However, I think it’s time for our club to perform. We have a full cap and have used most of it assembling a first grade squad that needs to be competitive. The front office has transformed. We have an established coach. It’s time. I love the club and I’ll always be a member and rusted on supporter but I’m sick of waiting. We have all put up with unbelievable mismanagement at admin and playing levels. It’s time to deliver some success. I’m not getting any younger!!

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

 

[hammertime]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

 

[will1999]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

I thought last years team was bad yet they were one point away from the top 8

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

Sorry but I don’t think a reality check is needed. What’s wrong with having an expectation of success? I’ve been listening to the club talk about ‘rebuild’ and ‘rising up’ and ‘hitting key indicators’ for years. As I said, I love the Tigers and support them with a passion but I want the club to demonstrate success. I want my team to make the 8\. I don’t want to sit through the rhetoric of another rebuild. Time to deliver now!

 

[hammertime]

Well said. This club needs to perform now. We've been waiting too long already. Cleary started early enough that he was able to sign off on the majority of signings as well as a number of re-resignings.

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

Sorry but I don’t think a reality check is needed. What’s wrong with having an expectation of success? I’ve been listening to the club talk about ‘rebuild’ and ‘rising up’ and ‘hitting key indicators’ for years. As I said, I love the Tigers and support them with a passion but I want the club to demonstrate success. I want my team to make the 8\. I don’t want to sit through the rhetoric of another rebuild. Time to deliver now!

Because of the implications on signing strategies. Cleary and co would have picked our team based on not just who is available now, but key targets in the next few years. You can't create a sustainable competitive team from day dot and you'll shoot yourself in the leg if you try. I for one, don't want to repeat past mistakes of caving under external pressure and focus on the short term like we did with previous backloaded contracts.

Put it this way, if you were to put pressure on Cleary and say he has to make the top 4 this year or lose himself job, would he backload contracts? Would he still have some squirrelled away for a bargain buy like we currently do? Would he look for potential or have overspent on known quantities?

Definitely nothing wrong with optimism, this team has the potential to give it a shake, but for me, silly short sighted ultimatums is a very different story that sends us down a path we don't want to go down again.

 

[jadtiger]

I agree…a continuous run of semi final footy for the next 5 years, starting from 2018 is the minimum acceptable performance from this club... A premiership in the next 5 years would be just brilliant.!

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or not. If so, I think you guys need a reality check.

Maybe see how many teams have gotten into the top 4 first year on a rebuild. The realism of it is that the players you want or need are never available in Year 1\. Cleary did the bet he could with recruitment based on what was around.

I expect us to be competitive, but better than another 8 sides to make the finals? mmm…. not so much.

Sorry but I don’t think a reality check is needed. What’s wrong with having an expectation of success? I’ve been listening to the club talk about ‘rebuild’ and ‘rising up’ and ‘hitting key indicators’ for years. As I said, I love the Tigers and support them with a passion but I want the club to demonstrate success. I want my team to make the 8\. I don’t want to sit through the rhetoric of another rebuild. Time to deliver now!

Because of the implications on signing strategies. Cleary and co would have picked our team based on not just who is available now, but key targets in the next few years. You can't create a sustainable competitive team from day dot and you'll shoot yourself in the leg if you try. I for one, don't want to repeat past mistakes of caving under external pressure and focus on the short term like we did with previous backloaded contracts.

Put it this way, if you were to put pressure on Cleary and say he has to make the top 4 this year or lose himself job, would he backload contracts? Would he still have some squirrelled away for a bargain buy like we currently do? Would he look for potential or have overspent on known quantities?

Definitely nothing wrong with optimism, this team has the potential to give it a shake, but for me, silly short sighted ultimatums is a very different story that sends us down a path we don't want to go down again.

Most sensible post i have read for a long time well said Hammertime