Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[gallagher]

IBut seriously , is there ONE person in this forum , that actually believes that a parent of a top young footballer would advise their son to come to WTs as we are at this moment?
Except if that person could see a major overhaul of most things involving the club,
Such an overhaul, as far as players are concerned, has been complicated by the purchase of a group of players that in most cases isn’t any better than those who were already here. But will still soak up cap space unless they can be persuaded to go.
But , who would take them?

Ivan is In the position to see what the future looks like here, (unlike us), and unless he can see some real furure here, he could only have one thing to say to Nathan , and that would be to go to the Roosters or Broncos , or any of the other top teams,(or Stay at Penrith)

I really don’t know one father that would say any different
And as far as I can see, I still can’t see any evidence that we can attract the type of players that would be needed to attract a player like Nathan,

"Dad, Tigers have offered me $1.1M to go there, 3 years."
"No mate they are a basket-case, take the $750K at the Roosters, a true winning club. You are only 22, you can earn that $350K per year some other how."

Not going to happen. If you are a top young footballer, you strike where the money is. Premierships etc., you can think about that more as your career develops, but your first concern is to maximise your earnings in case of drop in form, major injuries etc.

Money talks, it's about money as much as anything.

Also why would Ivan, as Tigers coach, advise his son not to join Tigers? How does that conversation go? "No mate I have no idea what I'm doing here, join the Roosters. Maybe as a package deal, I can take my lack of knowledge with you to the Roosters as well."

Thats on the assumption he would get 350K more by coming here.He will get top dollar wherever he goes.
At such an early stage of his career a move to the Broncs or Roosters or Melb would be the smart move to further his education.
Ivan came here only because there were no other options for him, Nathan will have his choice.

 

[jadtiger]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

No more pensioners

 

[The_Patriot]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

Glad I'm not the only one who can see it. It's a massive double standard and the players would have every right to have their nose out of joint.

 

[TigerSJ]

Just on Signing suggestions… Not sure if the whole Corey Oates drama at the Broncos is just an act to get him resigned there, or if he even is willing to leave, but I'd give him a go as a backrower if that's what he is looking for. I reckon he could end up as a great backrower over the coming years and he is only 24 I think.

 

[oldprop]

Ritchie certainly got us all to bite. All based on a rumour that even he says may not happen. Aren’t we just a bit jumpy?

 

[newtiger]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sorting this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

Settle down peeps.

The media are clearly circling for a stoty and preying on the venurable

There nothing to it apart from all the good coaches tied up so makes sense they will go after ivan and nathan as a pagage deal.

Nathan more likely alone.

Do u think ivan will pack up his family again to Brisbane

Jurno's never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

 

[rex2ce]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

Jennings has the next two seasons as option in his favour, doubt he’d leave

 

[tigeress]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

When I heard this rumour I thought the same thing, we all know about it now and in my opinion even if only a "rumour" it WILL destabalise the players, and is this the reason we are in this terrible slump :crazy Geez this club just can't get it right can they :deadhorse:

 

[tigerbenji]

As i said just a feeling about Jennings, sort of player we would probably chase & Parra would have to get rid of some players. They have bought Fergo & Paulo @ 1.2 mill & talk of Morris Twins having a chat to them, As i said though just a feeling.

 

[gallagher]

Ritchie certainly got us all to bite. All based on a rumour that even he says may not happen. Aren’t we just a bit jumpy?

Unfortunately there's nothing else to talk about.

 

[bp_tiger]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

When I heard this rumour I thought the same thing, we all know about it now and in my opinion even if only a "rumour" it WILL destabalise the players, and is this the reason we are in this terrible slump :crazy Geez this club just can't get it right can they :deadhorse:

MAYBE this is the reason he is not worried about signing any decent players ,BECAUSE he wont be here, because the amount of players that are been signing that we could use in bewildering, that we are not even in the hunt for.

 

[WT2K]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

Jennings has the next two seasons as option in his favour, doubt he’d leave

IC was the one who pushed him from Penrith if memory serves me correctly.

 

[balmain boy]

Just on Signing suggestions… Not sure if the whole Corey Oates drama at the Broncos is just an act to get him resigned there, or if he even is willing to leave, but I'd give him a go as a backrower if that's what he is looking for. I reckon he could end up as a great backrower over the coming years and he is only 24 I think.

I think we'd need to take a gamble on a player like him. We can't Origin level back rowers as it stands. Signing one who's a winger/backrower may be our best bet to get our rampaging second rower. There may be questions on his endurance and fitness levels for the forwards but hopefully we can back ourselves to get the most out of him!

 

[swag_tiger]

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

When I heard this rumour I thought the same thing, we all know about it now and in my opinion even if only a "rumour" it WILL destabalise the players, and is this the reason we are in this terrible slump :crazy Geez this club just can't get it right can they :deadhorse:

MAYBE this is the reason he is not worried about signing any decent players ,BECAUSE he wont be here, because the amount of players that are been signing that we could use in bewildering, that we are not even in the hunt for.

This is a solid point.

 

[Nelson]

Given the contracts in place we're realistically (I think) looking at:

1\. Mbye
2\. Nofoaluma
3.
4\. Marsters
5.
6\. Reynolds/Lolohea
7\. Brooks
8\. Packer
9.
10\. Twal
11\. Lawrence
12.
13.

14\. Matulino
15.
16.
17\. Liddle

Left centre options include Brian Kelly, Josh Morris, Kirisome Auva'a, Javid Bowen (hasn't kicked on) and Justin O'Neill (rubbish form this year). Slim pickings with Kelly the best of them.

We can probably afford to chase another winger given Thompson would be on a fairly modest contract. We could take a gamble on someone like Justin Olam or go after an established player like Ken Maumalo (size but not speed).

Segeyaro is probably the best option at hooker if we're going to market, or trying to extend Farah for another year.

Ethan Lowe is a realistic option for the right edge. It would be great to get a TPJ or Su'A off Brisbane but it's not going to happen.

Peni Terepo was going well for Parramatta at lock, he's been much improved this year. Hipgrave is probably also worth a look. Latu would likely be another option although that'd be a pretty big gamble.

Those are the kinds of signings I think we could realistically make. I hope we focus on improving the pack first and locking up an 80 minute 2nd rower for the right edge.

 

[851]

Have a feeling we could make a move for Michael Jennings if Parra release him, As i said though just a feeling.

Jennings has the next two seasons as option in his favour, doubt he’d leave

Pretty sure he took that option up last week, probably because there are no offers for him

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Easiest way to see what will appen is to offer Ivan a 2 year extension at the end of this year so we have him for 2019 , 2020 , 2021 , 2022 , that's 4 years and if Nathan wants to play with his farther it will be in this time slot I think

Hyperbole with a capital H this is.

Great idea. Lets extend the contract of a coach whose still contracted for 2 more years, for another 2 years on top of that, despite having done nothing to warrant an extension, just incase he might go somewhere else and take his son with him. Only saving grace is Ivan is that good of a guy, i don't think he would feel good taking advantage of such stupidity.

 

[barra]

If Ritchie's reports are accurate and Ivan Cleary will abandon the bus in 2020 to link with his son at the Broncos he may well as go now as far as I'm concerned..

If its anywhere near accurate Pascoe needs to drag him into his office and sort this mess out. We have record membership and a swell of support.

This needs to be knocked on its head.

First question i would ask is what role has you and your sons ongoing contract rumours played in our mid season slump. have you started to lose the players respect?

100% agree. This will cause untold instability- especially since Ivan was so big with everyone being on the bus. If he had one foot out the door looking at the next stop, those that admired his stance will now see him as a hypocrite.
Pascoe MUST address and hose down this rumour immediately.

Also - if this does happen, my 50 years as a passionate, loyal RL supporter may come to an end. I’m just about over the same clubs dominating the NRL.

From everything I've seen over the last couple of years, Cleary and Pascoe seem to have a close working relationship. So I'm sure they both already know what the situation is.

 

[TigerSJ]

The roster question was always going to be a process over time. Ivan has freely and often expressed the fact that certain players are stop-gap players for now but not necessarily for the future - it is an evolving thing and he will always be looking to improve the roster over time. At the moment he seems to be clearing some space. Not including the pre 30 June movements of JJF, and MM, we are now losing MWZ, Grant and Kev. (Anyone else I've forgotten??).

There's also a few off contract that could be moved on such as Godinet and Sue as well as Robbie and Benji who both may retire at the end of this season. That is potentially 7 of the top 30 so far.

Up to 7 quality players could make a pretty big difference - the question is, are there 7 out there that would want to join us and that we can afford??

 

[JD Tiger]

If we were lucky enough, Nathan may come here then there’d be no doubt that Ivan would stay.
But seriously , is there ONE person in this forum , that actually believes that a parent of a top young footballer would advise their son to come to WTs as we are at this moment?
Except if that person could see a major overhaul of most things involving the club,
Such an overhaul, as far as players are concerned, has been complicated by the purchase of a group of players that in most cases isn’t any better than those who were already here. But will still soak up cap space unless they can be persuaded to go.
But , who would take them?

Ivan is In the position to see what the future looks like here, (unlike us), and unless he can see some real furure here, he could only have one thing to say to Nathan , and that would be to go to the Roosters or Broncos , or any of the other top teams,(or Stay at Penrith)

I really don’t know one father that would say any different
And as far as I can see, I still can’t see any evidence that we can attract the type of players that would be needed to attract a player like Nathan,

Absolutely I can see IC bringing his son to this club. He knows the club will be alright because he himself is fixing it.

In my mind, if IC doesn't get his son here, he doesn't have the confidence in us, and thus no confidence in the job he is doing, then IC should pack and go elsewhere. Staying at Penrith would be the only other result I could stomach for NC, but if he leaves and goes anywhere but here, IC can't even attract his own son so what chance does that give us in attracting anyone else?